A white woman is the only love interest in new movie "Red Tails (Tuskegee Airmen)"

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Whether it was illegal back then or not is irrelevant as far as what George Lucas' motives were since he had most of the control over this film.

But to entertain the point of "it was illegal" I've never seen any version of this story. This tangent of the movie could be entirely fictional. Or maybe it's in another country where it wasn't illegal. And I'm not sure if there was de jure anti-miscegenation all over the USA. De facto? Probably in most areas, including Alabama.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
You're right.
It must be the highlight of your day to chump folks on this board. You also like to talk down to ppl. I sometimes agree with some of your statements but this time you seem to want to insult me. Shade or no shade.

I am making a few contributions (I run a small biz if you really need to know). I'm not walking back my statement. We are 13% of the population but we are the majority of athletes and music artists. I love entertainment but we need an energy alternative because gas is too high & its hurting the environment.

Trenell is doing what she wants. Thats great. I don't see why we can't inspire our children to pursue different careers and opportunities that are realistic. Opportunities that many have but are unaware of. I don't consider ANYTHING impossuble. I know some ppl are doing big things in Math & science but if we didn't need more I wouldn' have mentioned it.

I simply saw a correlation between black women struggling for work in hollywood while there are opportunities elsewhere. I apologize if I offended you with my wishes for my brothers and sisters of color.
Originally Posted by sienna40
No. I'm just not for BS and coddling grown folks. And I call it out when and if I feel like it. And for the record, you don't know me so you don't know what I really like to do one way or the other. If that doesn't sit well with you (or anyone else here) it just doesn't. You said what you said and now you've back tracked. Me not agreeing with your accessment has nothing to do with insulting you. If you took it that way..that's on you. I don't have some personal vendetta against Sienna40. Hell, I barely just really started noticing you around here recently.

And no you didn't offend me with your wishes but it would have been nice if you would have expressed them as just that..wishes for blacks instead of having to down blacks that get into entertainment instead of what you think are more noble fields. So like I said I'm not for the BS so now after the fact please don't try to use the "Oh my poor black brothas and sistas all I'm trying to do is elevate my people" act with me. You said what you said. Point blank. If you meant something else there is no harm is clarification rather than jumping to defend something you really didn't convey.

And if my demeanor is that much of an issue for you..they have a nifty ignore feature on NC from what I understand. You can always utilize it.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Okay, thats nice. We disagree. Sorry I didn't express myself in the way you wanted. I will check with you before I express myself on this forum since I'm new and new ppl have no right to say what they think. Have a great day. I am sure you have no vendetta, but you are quite the cyber bully. I have seen a number of your posts "calling it how you see it" what is code for putting ppl down.
Originally Posted by sienna40
Sienna40, my net demeanor really has nothing to do with your words. This definitely has nothing to do with you being new. You said what you said and now trying to call me out about how you perceive me online really has nothing to do with any of that. You chose to make a certain opinion known. Be woman enough to stand by what you said..not back pedal and try to act like this discussion is about Marah. You see me as a cyber bully. Okay..so be it. So what. Big deal. We weren't talking about ME. We were discussing what you said concerning black entertainers that I and a few others didn't agree with..so not sure why you are making your best effort to deflect from that issue.

If you've got some personal problem with me..in this thread really wasn't the place to make an effort to confront me, call me out about it, or whatever you call yourself attempting to do. I take PM's and I'd be more than willing to discuss my e-personality with you if it is such an issue for you. Heck, I would have discussed it openly with you in the SIID thread..a more appropriate venue.

Bottom line: Your inability to stick to the subject at hand and making it personal doesn't make ME look bad..it actually makes you look like you can't defend your own thoughts and views so you need to make it about how other people act. If you notice..I didn't attack one thing about your e-personality or disrespect you as an individual..but you jumped to attack me personally by calling me a name and trying to character assassinate me because you have an underlying issue with me. And instead of handling whatever personal issue you have with me like an adult...you chose to air your true feelings here simply because you can't defend you own words. I didn't do ANY of that e-personality character assassination BS nonsense with you..I stuck to the subject and why I disagreed with you on the subject. Your inability to reciprocate..well that speaks volumes about you Sienna..not me.

Some people indeed do not care for me here (I understand I'm a rough rider and it's not everyone's cup of tea)..but one thing they can take to the bank and respect is that I say what I mean and I mean what I say and whatever I say I got enough chutzpah to back it up..even if I have to stand alone doing it.

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For those of you still in denial about this, The Miami Herald has confirmed, that indeed one of the black pilots actually MARRIES a white woman in the film, "
Originally Posted by nashville77
denial about what
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For those of you still in denial about this, The Miami Herald has confirmed, that indeed one of the black pilots actually MARRIES a white woman in the film, "Red Tails" (this being the ONLY romantic storyline in the movie):

"The love story between Little and an Italian girl who he marries begs the question of what would happen to them after the war. Would he be able to take her home to America? Would he come back for her? The film answers the immediate question, but not the larger one."

Link:
'Red Tails' - Movies Wires - MiamiHerald.com
Originally Posted by nashville77
Who's "in denial"? I don't think the fact that one of the pilots marries a white woman is going to make those who didn't care before they knew go, "Uh oh...I'm not going to see it now".
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So, I know Jazmine Sullivan is playing a singer.

What roles are the other two black women-Edwina Findley and Stacie Davis-playing?
i'm glad this is not another madea production either. i dont like tyler perry and think he is one of the reason serious black films isnt taken serious. if there is no over the top characters (madea) people wont care. the general audeince already has issues with historical pics as it is, but when its focused on black history, they tend to pay less attention.

Also, does anyone know if any of the airmen did marry an italian girl in real life?
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Marah and sienna40, you guys need to stop the personal attacks. This is a very interesting topic and I would like to see the discussion continue without the insults.
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There were a lot of black soldiers who fought in WWII in Europe, and many of them did get together with French, Italian, and German women at the time so I don't see the storyline being out of line with actual verifiable history.
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don't want to see the film.
i think it was miscast.
i can't even make it through the trailer.
it looks horrible.
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There were a lot of black soldiers who fought in WWII in Europe, and many of them did get together with French, Italian, and German women at the time so I don't see the storyline being out of line with actual verifiable history.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
This is what I thought.

I also never really get the love story in war films anyway. Why do you did a love story? My fav war films are Platton, Full Metal Jacket, and Apoclypse Now". I dont recall a love story entertwined in them.
There were a lot of black soldiers who fought in WWII in Europe, and many of them did get together with French, Italian, and German women at the time so I don't see the storyline being out of line with actual verifiable history.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
My dad was stationed in Germany during the Korean War and he had a German girlfriend. Also, there's a documentary about the Airmen that's running on the History Channel. My husband saw it and he says there's a picture of the Airmen arm in arm with some Italian women.

ETA: My cousins were adopted from Germany by my great aunt and her husband in the 1950s. They were "brown babies." Their birth mother was German and their birth father was a black American. soldier.
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don't want to see the film.
i think it was miscast.
i can't even make it through the trailer.
it looks horrible.
Originally Posted by frau
I want to support this movie, but I have to say, the trailer was horrific. I was laughing out loud at how bad it was.
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This is what I thought.

I also never really get the love story in war films anyway. Why do you did a love story? My fav war films are Platton, Full Metal Jacket, and Apoclypse Now". I dont recall a love story entertwined in them.
Originally Posted by thelio
I have no idea.. I guess they need something in the movie to "appeal to the ladies". War is no fun, but I'm sure that wherever soldiers go they find ways to still meet women whether by force or by choice.. this has been true throughout all of history.

There were a lot of black soldiers who fought in WWII in Europe, and many of them did get together with French, Italian, and German women at the time so I don't see the storyline being out of line with actual verifiable history.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
My dad was stationed in Germany during the Korean War and he had a German girlfriend. Also, there's a documentary about the Airmen that's running on the History Channel. My husband saw it and he says there's a picture of the Airmen arm in arm with some Italian women.

ETA: My cousins were adopted from Germany by my great aunt and her husband in the 1950s. They were "brown babies." Their birth mother was German and their birth father was a black American. soldier.
Originally Posted by journotraveler
Yep.. I was going to mention that. Pretty much wherever soldiers go of any nationality, babies are sure to follow.
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don't want to see the film.
i think it was miscast.
i can't even make it through the trailer.
it looks horrible.
Originally Posted by frau
Right. I just saw it yesterday,
the trailer....awful. They played this music that only crap films play. I'm sorry I don't take movies too seriously if they don't have John Williams doing the soundtrack..LOL just saying. George Lucas knew he should of stepped his soundtrack game up. Maybe there's decent music in the film, but good films don't need crap music to amp it up for a trailer.
Sorry I'm a weirdo with soundtracks, and yes I judge movies by the music.
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I agree regarding more blacks in science and math. I have trying to push (gently) into a more science or math oriented major. She has an absolute fear of math, due to a teacher who harshly criticized in fourth grade about a math score on a test. She acquaints science with having good math skills, so she is shying away from that field. The world would be her oyster if she could get past her phobia. Any suggestions?
Originally Posted by juanab
Are you able to help her at home or get a tutor? My parents taught me stuff in advance since I was 5 so I was always ahead of the class (until the really advanced classes in HS). I know it's sort of late now but still not too late.
As far as the Blacks in the arts discussion goes, first of all, who says it is an either/or proposition? Blacks can be in science/medicine/law/technology/academia etc. and also be artists. This is my own career path/plan - yes, it is hard to serve two masters, but it can be done. Many artists require additional income and work another job, so being an artist doesn't mean you do nothing else.

Secondly, even for people who pursue the arts and nothing else, there certainly can be, and have been and are, pioneering, ground-breaking artists whose work promoted social change and public discussion. Good artists hold a mirror up to society and can shock people into seeing things they wouldn't otherwise. I find it hard to believe that there is a person on earth who hasn't seen a movie or play, read a book, heard a song etc. that hasn't challenged the way they see things or inspired them to make changes. I am thinking of people like Paul Robeson, Marian Anderson, Langston Hughes, James Baldwin, Nina Simone, etc. I don't think we can overestimate their contribution to the struggle. We still have artists like that with us today, even if they aren't necessarily the ones you see on the red carpets or in the magazines. Many of them are out there making art and pushing boundaries even if it means they won't make a decent leaving or will take heat for what they say, because they believe in it.

I think that the problem is with some of the mainstream Black artists who uncritically play the stereotypes or offer self-hatred for the sake of being popular and making money - using the b-word and the n-word or presenting full-on coonery (I'm looking at you, Tyler Perry) and then they, and elements of the Black community, expect the rest of us to support them and be loyal to them regardless of their politics, lifestyles etc. But, call out THOSE artists, not being in the arts itself, because it is a beautiful calling and even the coons and fools can't ruin it for everyone else unless we let them. The arts are just as important as the sciences and it takes both to have a well-rounded and full existence.
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I think interracial relationships are beautiful if that is What people love and find happiness in is fine with me. i love all people. I want happiness for them . That said however I do not support propaganda to elevate or replace an original women with someone else in her place. How would you feel as the wife of that pilot they were writing about? How would you feel if you were that man? Im sure they had a great love or what have you. How do their families feel when they watch the film? What if that was your mother? Or your Grandmother? im sure they have extended family. I just think it is cruel. The fact that (whomever the woman is) does not portray the truth is sadd. I wouldn't support the movie, it's fake. They did not stay as close to the story as they could but sought to change it to his-story. 5 think it does those men and their wives an injustice. You would not want your story told as such. Lets be honest. And a so called white person doesn't need to be put in a movie for white people to watch it thats utterly ridiculous imo.
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