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Old 01-20-2007, 12:02 PM   #21
 
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While we're on the subject - can someone explain to me what the term "The South will rise again!" means? I just think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! What do they think is going to happen if the South does "rise" again?
Cars and trucks and mobile homes will rise up off their cinder blocks and the trailer parks shall inherit the earth
From the tornados that always target such areas.
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While we're on the subject - can someone explain to me what the term "The South will rise again!" means? I just think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! What do they think is going to happen if the South does "rise" again?
It means "US South uber alles." Also used as innuendo.
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How ironic that the people who are offended by confederate flags seem to feel it's ok to reduce the south to trucks and trailer parks. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
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Sigh.

I'm from the South originally, and I get so tired of the Southern stereotype and how some folks think it's okay to perpetuate it.

People in the South aren't stupid or uneducated, and they know the Confederate flag is offensive. It's been more than 30 years since the University of Georgia banned "Dixie" from the marching band's repertory.

What might be news to some people is that racism and rednecks are very prevalent in other parts of the country/world as well. The South has no corner on it.

I have seen just as much racism in New England, the Northwest, Colorado, and the Midwest. Because it's more subtle and insidious, though, people seem to deny it exists. At least in the South I grew up in, when you encountered it, it was in the open for everyone to see and challenge. You could point the finger and say, "Fool!" and everyone would know exactly what you were talking about.

As long as people think it's a Southern problem, they aren't going to address it where it lives -- which is everywhere. Dang, people, grow up.
I've lived all over this country, excepting Hawaii and Alaska, and seen just as many pickups and trailer parks in Maine and Missouri and Colorado and Oregon as I ever did in Tennessee and Georgia.

And, yes, I am aware that pickups and trailer parks do not equal stupid or racist. Trailer parks usually mean "all I can afford" and pickups can mean anything. Including nothing. I'm just using the imagery others have tossed out here.

Racism targets vary by region. Hell, a lot of people in Maine didn't care for the French! Who knew!?

Look in your own backyard before you start laughing at the people next door.
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Sorry. DP.
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WTF is wrong with this Board!?
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Just for the record, I've lived in the South and my family is from the South.
I don't think the South is all ignorant hicks and racists or that those two types of people don't exist elsewhere.
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Dang..
It was just a joke.
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I also wanted to point out that the swastika was originally a positive symbol (the word is derived from Sanskrit, and roughly means "lucky charm"). At this stage it doesn't matter where it came from because its original meaning has been so horrifically besmirched. People can talk about "reclaiming" certain symbols all they want, but it's already far too late for some of them.
I was going to make the same point.

When I see the confderate flag, it makes me stop in my tracks for a second. Funny thing, I am MORE offended by people who wear it as "heritage not hate" as oppse to KKK.
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I also wanted to point out that the swastika was originally a positive symbol (the word is derived from Sanskrit, and roughly means "lucky charm"). At this stage it doesn't matter where it came from because its original meaning has been so horrifically besmirched. People can talk about "reclaiming" certain symbols all they want, but it's already far too late for some of them.
I was going to make the same point.
Same here, although I would like to mention that in some parts of the world, it still retains the original meaning, in spite of the Nazis.

I do believe that many people don't have bad intentions with the Confederate flag. But that doesn't mean it isn't offensive. People don't always have bad intentions when they make racist jokes or statements, but they are still offensive.
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While we're on the subject - can someone explain to me what the term "The South will rise again!" means? I just think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! What do they think is going to happen if the South does "rise" again?
Cars and trucks and mobile homes will rise up off their cinder blocks and the trailer parks shall inherit the earth
LOL!

Maybe all Confederate flag owners aren't racists, but it's become a racist symbol in the U.S. Why would you display one when it's commonly known as the racist's flag? Do most of the people who display them really want us to believe that it's a southern pride symbol to them? Granted I'm from Minnesota so I can't understand southern pride, but what is down there to be so proud of? There's a reason why the South lost, and I don't see it rising anytime soon so give it up with the flags already.
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Granted I'm from Minnesota so I can't understand southern pride, but what is down there to be so proud of?
Wow, this is exactly the type of ignorance that pisses me off. Every culture has something to be proud of. Southern heritage is not about rednecks and slavery. To me, the south is about a slower, simpler way of life. It's about biscuits with gravy and sweetened ice tea on a hot muggy day. It's about complete strangers tipping their hats and saying hello as they walk by. I feel really sorry for you if you can't understand that.
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Granted I'm from Minnesota so I can't understand southern pride, but what is down there to be so proud of?
Wow, this is exactly the type of ignorance that pisses me off. Every culture has something to be proud of. Southern heritage is not about rednecks and slavery. To me, the south is about a slower, simpler way of life. It's about biscuits with gravy and sweetened ice tea on a hot muggy day. It's about complete strangers tipping their hats and saying hello as they walk by. I feel really sorry for you if you can't understand that.
Would like to ditto all that.
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Granted I'm from Minnesota so I can't understand southern pride, but what is down there to be so proud of?
Wow, this is exactly the type of ignorance that pisses me off. Every culture has something to be proud of. Southern heritage is not about rednecks and slavery. To me, the south is about a slower, simpler way of life. It's about biscuits with gravy and sweetened ice tea on a hot muggy day. It's about complete strangers tipping their hats and saying hello as they walk by. I feel really sorry for you if you can't understand that.
Would like to ditto all that.
Ditto as well. I didn't really anticipate this thread going off into a southern-bashing thread, but I suppose I should have expected it. I think "southern pride" is the same as being proud of wherever you come from... nothing wrong with it, and I'm not so sure how that is something to not understand.

I have nothing more to add though, as bailey and fig jam have pretty much covered my thoughts on the south. I am still interested in even more opinions about the confederate flags... I thought that was a good discussion and I pretty much agree with all of you. Eilonwy, good point about the South Park thing as well.
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Granted I'm from Minnesota so I can't understand southern pride, but what is down there to be so proud of?
Wow, this is exactly the type of ignorance that pisses me off. Every culture has something to be proud of. Southern heritage is not about rednecks and slavery. To me, the south is about a slower, simpler way of life. It's about biscuits with gravy and sweetened ice tea on a hot muggy day. It's about complete strangers tipping their hats and saying hello as they walk by. I feel really sorry for you if you can't understand that.
When I was down there, I sure didn't experience that. I can see why there are more hate groups in the south than anywhere just from a short visit. People were very cool and unwelcoming toward my family and I. Though nothing was said, the south has a different feel to it, and not a good kind of different. Maybe if you're a white person you can fully enjoy what the south has to offer.
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I've seen the Confederate flag everywhere that I've ever lived - for the most part of my life it has been in the north or midwest.

As far as trailer parks - my MIL's boyfriend/partner of the last 20 years is a multi-millionaire and he lives in a trailer park. He has trouble parting with his friends Andrew and Benjamin.

My dad drives a pickup truck.

Racism is everywhere, but since the south gets pegged for it - it seems as though they are more comfortable being open about it. While I lived there, it seemed more acceptable to display it - in conversation.
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When I was down there, I sure didn't experience that. I can see why there are more hate groups in the south than anywhere just from a short visit. People were very cool and unwelcoming toward my family and I. Though nothing was said, the south has a different feel to it, and not a good kind of different. Maybe if you're a white person you can fully enjoy what the south has to offer.
We had some bad experiences being "Yankees" and all, but I can agree with you.

My best friend is a black woman, born and raised in the south. She is well educated and an Asst. Dean of a professional organization. I witnessed some of the locals be blatantly rude to her. Granted, these were older people and I tend to look past their attitudes (can't teach and old dog new tricks), but that doesn't excuse anything.

There always seemed to be an underlying anger. If I suggested something at work (I tried to get a recycling program going) - I was told, "must be a yankee thing". If I asked why there were no shelters in the area, I got the same thing.

Fig gam - I'm sure that not all southerners are (insert derogatory word here), but the ones who are, certainly make their presence felt. I assume it is the "one bad apple" syndrome. One person represents the group.
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When there have pics of Klan gatherings or overtly and intentionally racist activities, does anyone recall the Confederate flag NOT being there?
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