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Old 01-22-2007, 10:39 AM   #61
 
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I'm a Northerner, I've always thought of the flag as a southern pride thing that racist groups also display and I have to admit when I see the confederate flag my first thought is that person is probably a racist.
Yep. And if I see one of the bumper stickers with the Confederate flag that says something like, "Heritage, not hate" I immediately think they're just covering their asses.

I live in Texas, and honestly, I'm relatively insulated from white native Texans - most of my friends are transplants from "up north" and all of my in-laws are Hispanic. I do see plenty of Confederate flag bumper stickers, and yes, I automatically assume the driver of that car is white and racist.

I also know that that's a gross generalization, so if I happen to meet someone and then see that type of sticker on their car I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:41 AM   #62
 
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Not all truck drivers are racist......redneck maybe, but not racist
Yeah! :x

I don't drive a truck, but my dad does. He uses it to haul lots of things around, as he's kind of a jack-of-all-trades handyman/outdoorsman/mechanic type guy. He also goes hunting. And watches NASCAR. And he lives in New York, so the four-wheel drive comes in handy when the snow flies.

Also, back up off the trailer park residents, dangit. I grew up in one of those. It was what my single mother could afford, it was well-kept, and it was a roof over my head. The term "trailer trash" and all the stereotypes that go with it are really offensive and hurtful. I am not an uneducated, ignorant racist. I am not filthy, I have all my teeth, and there were no broken down vehicles on cinderblocks sitting in our yard.

As for the original topic, I can understand why some Southerners may keep using the Confederate flag as a way of expressing their heritage, but the fact is that it's just so offensive to so many people, it really shouldn't be used.

Agreed with 100%.

As far as the trucks go, um, yeah... people here NEED trucks. My husband drives a truck, both of my parents have trucks. We have mountainous, curvy roads, and we need 4-wheel drive. My mom has animals that she needs to haul feed and such for as well.

I love when people associate trucks with poor people as well. Perhaps these same people have never checked out the price of a new truck?
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:45 AM   #63
 
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I love when people associate trucks with poor people as well. Perhaps these same people have never checked out the price of a new truck?
I know! My dad spends more on new trucks than he does anything else, I bet. He wears them out pretty quickly, especially since he drives down to Pennsylvania for work.

There's no way I could afford one if I wanted it. Would have been nice to have a truck when I moved from NY to WA. Cramming all my belongings into my little Pontiac was a pain right in the ass.
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There is a racial tension in the air at all times that makes you feel on edge.
I think people see/feel what they expect to see/feel.
I had no expectations. I was young(18 when I moved) and was not aware that people felt the way they do about the south.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:48 AM   #65
 
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As far as the trucks go, um, yeah... people here NEED trucks.
See, to a lot of people, if you live in a place where you NEED a truck, then you live in a rural area. Do you see what I'm saying? A lot of people think that REAL cities have decent streets and a truck would be completely unnecessary.

These, of course, are the same people that don't hesitate to beg you to help them move.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:06 AM   #66
 
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As far as the trucks go, um, yeah... people here NEED trucks.
See, to a lot of people, if you live in a place where you NEED a truck, then you live in a rural area. Do you see what I'm saying? A lot of people think that REAL cities have decent streets and a truck would be completely unnecessary.

These, of course, are the same people that don't hesitate to beg you to help them move.
Oh yeah, I know. I DO live in a rural area, but even in the bigger cities around here, people need trucks. In my (small) city, we have decent roads and it isn't a big issue.... until it snows

And double yes about the moving thing. Grrr. People seem to think that because we have a truck, we must LOVE to help them move. :x

Utopia - I know! Trucks are freaking expensive. Even my husband's beat up 1991 Ranger is worth more than my 1997 car (which is in much better condition and has lots less miles!) We may, at some point in our lives, be able to afford a new car, but we can forget a new truck I'd say.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:37 PM   #67
 
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Poor people have trucks? Please

We have trucks because we work for a living, you can't haul 3 tons of corn with a car, you can't plow snow with a car, you can't do so many fun things in a car like you can in a truck.

We make fun of the people who buy trucks then drive them like cars. What is the point?

I'd let anyone drive my Caddy, but will not let anyone drive my truck. That Caddy is one in a million, my truck is one in a hundred worldwide. I've already turned down an offer of $30,000 for it.

It's my redneck status symbol.

I'm beginning to wonder if I have to check my avatar to see if I have to ignore my own culture to make other people happy.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:49 PM   #68
 
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There's no shame in being poor, and I don't think being poor is either a bad thing or an indicator of racism.

However, there are nice, new trucks and then there are beat-up old trucks that are not at all expensive. I think the stereotypes apply more to the beat-up old trucks than the shiny new trucks (but are still stereotypes and therefore unfair.)
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:50 PM   #69
 
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I have owned 3 pickups over the years and I do not live in a rural area. Hubby has also had a few. Trucks are just nice to have to be able to go and get stuff for the yard or if you have a hubby like mine that is into cars, to go get car parts or have a race car towed. These are not things you can do in a regular car. My sister has two trucks. They need it for their business and they are not in a rural area either. Sometimes a truck is just the best vehicle for your needs no matter where you live.
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I understand it's a part of southern heritage and it may be something to value for a lot of many generationed white southerners. But my philosophy is if it offends the majority of a group of people then it is obviously offensive and does not need to be rubbed in everyone's faces.
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I understand it's a part of southern heritage and it may be something to value for a lot of many generationed white southerners. But my philosophy is if it offends the majority of a group of people then it is obviously offensive and does not need to be rubbed in everyone's faces.
Pretty much sums up my feelings.
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