View Poll Results: Hillary for President?
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Would you vote for Hillary Clinton?

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I'm too young to vote, but if I could vote for her, I would.
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I am a liberal Republican & while I think ol' Hill's an intelligent woman I wouldn't vote for her. Obama, with his lack of experience, would get my vote.
Originally Posted by loosecurls
Ditto.
Those were my mom's words exactly, and I've heard several people say that women aren't supposed to behave that way, she just wants to take over (and that's so wrong?), she's taking the First Lady roll too far, etc. I'm tired of it. No one would be saying these things about a man. And I'm 100% sure that if it was a completely different woman running, people would be pulling excuses out their asses not to vote for her just like they are now. I feel that as a woman, it's my job be supportive of women in power. Even if was someone like Condi running, whose stances I don't agree with, I'd at least give her a chance. Think about the doors it could open for us, having a woman in the White House. I don't think Hillary Clinton's personality is the most pleasing, but I'm willing to put those feelings aside for a moment to listen to what she has to say.
Originally Posted by CurlyMireya

I completely disagree with you on this. I will not vote for a woman just because she's a woman, nor would I vote for a candiate just because he/she is Latino, democrat, whatever. I vote for the candiate because I agree with they're view on the issues. Sex, religion, or race have nothing to do with my vote.
Originally Posted by YolyC
Wow, I completely missed this. I would never vote for someone whose stance I don't agree with. People earn my vote with their actions and beliefs, not with their sex and their color.
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hmmm, after reading this thread I may have to change my opinion about a woman getting elected president before a black man. THis thread saddnes me though. I read through it and see reasons for not voting for Hillary based on personality issues with a disclaimer that she's intellingent but... she's strongwilled but... whearas the barack discussion is about record and ability.

'Hillary's *****y', 'I just don't like her', 'she's snotty', etc. Is this really what you will base your vote on? Are we doing ourselves a disservice as women to NOT vote for her because we don't like her? I'm disturbed that we talk so much about equality and then pull this mess when there's a real viable candidate for first woman president.

With Barack a lot of discussion was about length of service and discovery of what his politics are. Not so with Hillary. Very disturbing indeed.
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hmmm, after reading this thread I may have to change my opinion about a woman getting elected president before a black man. THis thread saddnes me though. I read through it and see reasons for not voting for Hillary based on personality issues with a disclaimer that she's intellingent but... she's strongwilled but... whearas the barack discussion is about record and ability.

'Hillary's &%$@#!', 'I just don't like her', 'she's snotty', etc. Is this really what you will base your vote on? Are we doing ourselves a disservice as women to NOT vote for her because we don't like her? I'm disturbed that we talk so much about equality and then pull this mess when there's a real viable candidate for first woman president.

With Barack a lot of discussion was about length of service and discovery of what his politics are. Not so with Hillary. Very disturbing indeed.
Originally Posted by FreeCurls
I wouldn't vote for a man I didn't like either. People vote and don't vote for candidates for a wide variety of reasons, why should I vote for a woman I don't like just because she is a woman.

For the record, I like Obama, I have liked what I have seen of him when he speaks, but I don't know that I would vote for him for president. He is very green and I would like to see him get more experience under his belt before he runs.
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No, no, no. I didn't say I'd vote for Condi. I said I'd give her a chance, meaning I'd hear her out. This is a woman that rubs me the wrong way. She never seems to have any emotion or personality. I doubt I'd be able to vote for someone from the Bush administration, but would I be open to a Condi vote? Heck yeah. Her gender and race are the main reasons I'd consider her, but she also seems intelligent and qualified.

'Hillary's &%$@#!', 'I just don't like her', 'she's snotty', etc. Is this really what you will base your vote on? Are we doing ourselves a disservice as women to NOT vote for her because we don't like her? I'm disturbed that we talk so much about equality and then pull this mess when there's a real viable candidate for first woman president.

I agree. My dad's excuse for not considering her is that she's a "snobby elitist." He doesn't have anything to say about her other than that, not even when I bring up her qualifications, humanitarian work, etc. I'd rather have a snobby elitist in power that is smart and articulate than a "nice guy" pres that doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground.
hmmm, after reading this thread I may have to change my opinion about a woman getting elected president before a black man. THis thread saddnes me though. I read through it and see reasons for not voting for Hillary based on personality issues with a disclaimer that she's intellingent but... she's strongwilled but... whearas the barack discussion is about record and ability.

'Hillary's &%$@#!', 'I just don't like her', 'she's snotty', etc. Is this really what you will base your vote on? Are we doing ourselves a disservice as women to NOT vote for her because we don't like her? I'm disturbed that we talk so much about equality and then pull this mess when there's a real viable candidate for first woman president.

With Barack a lot of discussion was about length of service and discovery of what his politics are. Not so with Hillary. Very disturbing indeed.
Originally Posted by FreeCurls
I think it'd be stupid to vote for Hillary just because she is a woman. I'll vote for the candidate who I feel can do the job, even if it is a man. I think that Hillary is just a Democratic version of Bush.

While I'm a liberal, I like Christie Todd Whitman. I'd be a traitor to my party and vote for her before I vote for Hillary. In some ways to me, she seems like a female Democratic version of Bush - but with a better grasp of the English language. I've had anough of "my way or the highway."
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With Barack a lot of discussion was about length of service and discovery of what his politics are. Not so with Hillary. Very disturbing indeed.
Originally Posted by FreeCurls
I think you don't see people discussing length of service and discovery of politics with Hilary are because she has been in the political arena much longer than Barack Obama and most people do know what her politics are. Whereas Barack is new and alot of people haven't seen him in action long enough to know what his politics are.
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Standing ovation for FreeCurls! I've heard people actually say they wouldn't vote for her because she is "ugly" and "doesn't know her place."
We obviously have a long way to go before a woman is judged for her ability and intelligence. Who cares if she isn't warm and cuddly? We aren't selecting a drinking buddy, we are electing a president! Hillary HAS to be tough to survive in politics.
If you aren't voting for her because of her stance on the issues or qualifications, I can accept that. But because of her personality ... remember, this is how we wound up with our current president twice. People voted for him because he was "just like them." I think we need to aim higher.
I voted no, because I'm a Libertarian and I feel that she's pretty far away from supporting things that I care about, such reforming our tax system. Right now I don't feel that either party exactly champions smaller government, individual liberty, and personal responsibility. Of the potential non-Libertarian candidates out there, the only one I see myself possibly voting for right now is Rudy Giuliani. If I could have anyone in the world be president, I'd pick Dennis Miller, his political views are more intelligent than any politician around!
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This is why discussions on politics don't work. Those of us who say we won't vote for her are called to answer for our opinions, while those who would vote for her are foward thinkers. Obviously, if you are a Hillary fan you are going to vote for her, but I am NOT going to vote for someone just because she is a woman and you agree with her politics. Your feelings on her politics have nothing to do with my decision on who to vote or not vote for. You don't like my reason for not voting for her, that's fine, your opinion of my reasons have nothing to do with my decision on who to vote or not vote for.

If she polarizes this board this much, think what she will do to the democratic party. If she wins the primary, it will mean 4 more years of a republican presidency.
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Yes, I most certainly would.

I've known several people who have worked closely with her and her staff. They've all described her as incredibly intelligent and tough as nails, but also compassionate and fair. I think these are great qualities to have in a leader.
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to be clear I am in now way suggesting that women should vote for her because she is a woman.But to Not vote for her based on some comments Ive read in the thread is what concerns me, Who cares if she's ____? Odds are most of us won't ever be tha intimate with her to experience her personality flaw first-hand. Can she do the job? probably and that's a reason to consider her.

I'm pretty indifferent to her so thgese sentiments are not coming from some pro-Hillary stance.

Given that we do have a service history with her it's interesting to see so few comments basing a potential election vote on her record and instead using personailty flaws as the barometer.
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I don't think she could get elected. There are enough people who don't like her, and I really think that will affect her chances.
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'Hillary's &%$@#!', 'I just don't like her', 'she's snotty', etc. Is this really what you will base your vote on? Very disturbing indeed.
Originally Posted by FreeCurls

I agree. When I answered the poll my mind equated the question "Would you vote for Hillary?" being equal in my mind as "Do you think she can get the job done?" I really think she can. If I feel like another candidate answers that question better than her I would vote for them.

Other people when they hear "Would you vote for Hillary?" may have their own personal question running simultaneously with it when they answer. That's great becuase it allows different perspectives to be heard but bottomline if we're basing our vote on superficialities instead of other deeper things we deserve who we get.
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While I would definitely vote for her, Hillary won't win. The influence/dominance of christian conservative men on their wives is too strong in this country for any woman candidate to have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected.
While I would definitely vote for her, Hillary won't win. The influence/dominance of christian conservative men on their wives is too strong in this country for any woman candidate to have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I feel the same way. I'd love to think that we have made it to the point where a woman could be president (it's 2007 for goodness sake!!!), but I honestly don't think we have.

I haven't read the Obama thread yet (I want to do so when I have the time to thoroughly digest it), so please excuse me if I'm repeating something that was written there. But what do you all think- would the US be more likely to vote for a woman or a black man? I honestly don't know. And I'm afraid that if Obama and Hillary are the two main Dem candidates, there's no way we can take the next election...
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