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Would you vote for Hillary Clinton?

I can understand not voting for someone because you don't like their record on issues, their ideas, promises, or you don't trust them based on things they've said or done, but do you need to actually like them?

In most cases you won't meet them or develop any sort of personal relationship with them, so does it matter if you don't like them personally? Shouldn't it just be about their abilities?
Originally Posted by Fiona
I completely agree with this. It seems that most people who have issues with Hilary Clinton base it on something personal. Although, I would vote for her, I doubt she'll get the nomination because of this.

I would vote for Obama, but I do think that's also a stretch. Women and minorities are held to higher standards than their white, male counterparts. People have more forgiving attitudes towards the latter. How else can we explain the re-election of Bush?
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I also think having trust in a president is important, as well as feeling they have integrity. I don't so much think that her being "snotty" is a good reason to not vote for her, but not trusting her and overall not thinking she is a good person IS, IMHO.
I know someone else tried asking this, but I am curious as to why so many people feel so strongly against Hillary Clinton. I'm not trying to argue or make you defend your views, I really just don't know. I was a child/teenager during the Clinton Administration, so I didn't pay a lot attention to Bill and Hillary. If anyone can explain why so many people dislike Hillary, I am genuinely interested to understand it.

I know someone else tried asking this, but I am curious as to why so many people feel so strongly against Hillary Clinton. I'm not trying to argue or make you defend your views, I really just don't know. I was a child/teenager during the Clinton Administration, so I didn't pay a lot attention to Bill and Hillary. If anyone can explain why so many people dislike Hillary, I am genuinely interested to understand it.
Originally Posted by iris427
Partly, I see her as too polarizing to be effective on a Presidential level. I'd just like to move on from the Bush/Clinton era. I'm almost 40 years old and there has been either a Bush or Clinton in office for my entire voting life. That's plenty enough.

Second, she rubs me the wrong way the way the second Bush does. I'm just going to have to trust my gut on this one. I just don't see her taking those who disagree very seriously.

There are plenty of good choices in the Democratic primaries this time around. I don't have to vote for her in them due to a lack of a better option.
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Here's a question for all of those that are more liberal than I : would you really want it to come down to Hillary? Look at the votes HERE, among mostly women. We're almost split down the middle. Add men to that equation and my guess would be that the "nos" would far outweight the "yesses" on this thread. I think if it comes down to Hillary vs. any Republican, the Republicans will take the 2008 election. JMHO, of course, but I seriously doubt the Dems would want that.
Here's a question for all of those that are more liberal than I : would you really want it to come down to Hillary? Look at the votes HERE, among mostly women. We're almost split down the middle. Add men to that equation and my guess would be that the "nos" would far outweight the "yesses" on this thread. I think if it comes down to Hillary vs. any Republican, the Republicans will take the 2008 election. JMHO, of course, but I seriously doubt the Dems would want that.
Originally Posted by Rheanna83
Rheanna, no I wouldn't. I do think Hillary is a polarizing figure and I don't think she would win in a general election. I know a lot of people say the same thing; they may like Hilary but they don't think she can win the presidency.

However, like I said earlier in the thread, I will vote for her if she wins the Democratic primary.

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Here's a question for all of those that are more liberal than I : would you really want it to come down to Hillary? Look at the votes HERE, among mostly women. We're almost split down the middle. Add men to that equation and my guess would be that the "nos" would far outweight the "yesses" on this thread. I think if it comes down to Hillary vs. any Republican, the Republicans will take the 2008 election. JMHO, of course, but I seriously doubt the Dems would want that.
Originally Posted by Rheanna83
I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton because I think she's the best chance we have at winning. I can't vote for someone just because they're the forerunner (well I think Clinton is the forerunner now) or the most popular candidate. I have to vote for the person whose views most reflect my own, for the person who *I* feel is the best candidate of the pool. She also represents a change in politics; even if she doesn't win, if she just gets the nomination, it's symbolic of the white man's stepping away from the power. I *am* really concerned about the conservative white man's control over this country. Though a lot of people are uncomfortable being vocal about that, I'm not. I want someone running this country that represents me, my issues, my background. Clinton being a woman is part of it, but not all. There are two other minority candidates running on the Dem side, but just from what I've learned about them (I'm still doing research and listening to what they have to say), Clinton is probably more qualified and best matches my views on the issues.

Unfortunately, if Obama or Clinton gets the nomination, I think a Republican white male will win. And I think it's mostly about gender and race, though no one wants to admit it. I heard a young white male friend of my brother's scoff at Clinton's run for president, saying, "We would be a joke with a woman as president. People would walk all over us." Most of the white male population probably feels this way, and the majority of their wives do too, thanks to their husbands' influence over them. I truly feel these feelings won't go away, and we just have to wait until the white population in this country diminishes enough that it won't matter anymore. But, in 2008, IMO, a race between Clinton and a white male Republican is better than yet another race between a conservative Republican white male and a lite Democratic white male. I want my party to win, but some things are more important than winning.
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I know someone else tried asking this, but I am curious as to why so many people feel so strongly against Hillary Clinton. I'm not trying to argue or make you defend your views, I really just don't know. I was a child/teenager during the Clinton Administration, so I didn't pay a lot attention to Bill and Hillary. If anyone can explain why so many people dislike Hillary, I am genuinely interested to understand it.

Hillary is threatening to a lot of men (and women!) During Bill's first campaign, she made the mistake of saying she was going to be an active First Lady, because she wasn't the type to "stay home and bake cookies", which insulted half the women in the country (rather like this board) because they internalized the statement and took it as a dis against their cookie-making way of life. Men don't like her because she's got ovaries as big as their balls. She doesn't take crap. Well, unless you're talking about the infidelity crap she took from Bill, which seems to threaten both men and women.
CurlyMireya, I'm not sure that an increase in the population of people of colour would necessarily lead to a leader of colour being elected. Just as women are the majority yet have failed to elect a female leader, I think many people of colour are brainwashed, bombarded by negative media messages, trained to be antagonistic to other people of colour of another faith, national origin, complexion, etc. etc. etc. It is in the interests of the people of power for us NOT be unified and it is very hard to overcome that.
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Yes, I would vote for her. No, I do not think she has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Same applies to Barack Obama.
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I think many people of colour are brainwashed, bombarded by negative media messages, trained to be antagonistic to other people of colour of another faith, national origin, complexion, etc. etc. etc. It is in the interests of the people of power for us NOT be unified and it is very hard to overcome that.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Yes and no. I see notable solidarity among certain asian, latino and carribean communities, in certain parts of the country. But I do think there is plenty of divisiveness along lines of race and within a racial group. For example, asians constitute so many sub cultures and countries that it doesn't make sense to lump them together most of the time. And african americans are an extremely broad and diverse group in this country; given that there is still incredible stigma associated with "blackness" and as much internal diversity among "blacks" as there is within the democractic party, for example, there are all of the related, collateral effects of that identity, good and bad.
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