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Old 02-08-2012, 07:18 AM   #21
 
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I don't trust BMIs...they say my very fit and muscular husband is obese and when I was fitting in a child size 10 (adult 00s were falling off) after some serious health problems and was so thin I lost my period and my hair fell out, that I was just a point or two under ideal. But somehow yet now even at 9 months pregnant I am still at the ideal weight even for a not pregnant person. I don't think it takes in account bone structure or muscle tone. It seems very subjective.

I am a completely different weight (not pregnant of course) at a size 2/4 than my friend who is the same clothing size and height. I think how you feel comfortable and at what weight you feel confident and healthy.

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My doctor doesn't pay much attention to BMI charts and told me to take them with a grain of salt. She's more concerned with the waist to hip ratio (how much belly fat someone has) and how healthy someone is--cholesterol levels, triglycerides, whether someone has a fatty liver, blood pressure or sugar issues,
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Now, I don't totally discount what the scale (and BMI) says, but they are not, by any means, the end-all, be-all indicators of health.
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If you check the USDA's site, you can find a chart for what they consider to be healthy weight, underweight, overweight, obese, and morbidly obese--all this based on your height. I do think they include BMI too.

BMI is a tricky thing to calculate because other factors like muscle mass and water weight can effect it. I try not to worry about BMI until I've reached my goal weight.
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...Despite my small wrists, I have a large frame. ...
See, I feel the same way. I don't know if my wrists are considered small, but I measured them for the online calculator CurlyElectra posted, and they were 6 inches. According to the site, my ideal weight is 120! I don't know if that's possible for me.

This might be a dumb question, but how can you tell if you have a large, small, or medium frame if you don't go by wrist measurement? I've always thought I had a large frame but I'm not sure now and think that on some level I may have told myself that as an excuse to stay overweight. Since you say that you were a size 8 at 90 pounds, I'm guessing some permutation involving weight and clothing size might be revealing, but I don't know.
First, remember that clothes sizes are more dangerous to go by than BMI. I have bought a size 6 and size 12 on the same day. Last summer, I would have bought a size 4 skirt if it had come in the color I needed.

Second, wrist size is one of the best ways to judge frame size and it seems like it's one of the most consistent.
Wrist size appears to be more consistent - but I'm an outlier for whom it's not accurate.

Size 8-10 at stores varying from Ann Taylor to Gap to Express to the department store where I bought a business suit, not outliers like White House Black Market where I typically have to go down several sizes in jeans.

Basically, though, at 135 I would wear the same clothing - not enough fat added to have to increase clothing size, but I looked better in the clothing because my bones weren't sticking out. The weight went to arms/legs/slightly hiding the rib cage rather than butt/waist which might cause an increase in clothing size. If you can put on 45 lbs and still wear the same clothing with a similar fit it's a good sign the after is going to be closer to your ideal weight!

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My doctor doesn't pay much attention to BMI charts and told me to take them with a grain of salt. She's more concerned with the waist to hip ratio (how much belly fat someone has) and how healthy someone is--cholesterol levels, triglycerides, whether someone has a fatty liver, blood pressure or sugar issues,
I love your doctor! Seriously. This is the stuff that matters.

Now, I don't totally discount what the scale (and BMI) says, but they are not, by any means, the end-all, be-all indicators of health.
I think it helps greatly that she's European. In addition to her views on the current BMI charts, she never once told me that I should stop nursing when I was diagnosed with asthma after my son was born. She just worked to find medications that would be safe while nursing and encouraged me to nurse for at least a year. She's been nothing but awesome since I found her.
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I'd also say wrist size is pretty consistent. I've always thought I had a medium frame and according to my wrist size (6 inchs, 5'4") that's what I am. I know I don't have a small frame (my ribs are HUGE lol). Of course, like netG said, there are always outliers. None of this is absolute.

Also, I think people need to keep in mind that BMI is a range - if you are on the lower end of the "healthy" category, that's still cutting it close. 1-2 points under the healthy range for BMI is actually a pretty good amount of weight. 18.5 - 24.9 is considered healthy - that is quite a bit of range, so it's not like, oh, I gained a pound and now I'm overweight...you had to be cutting it close in the first place. With my height, I could actually get down to 107 and would be *just* underweight, when I know dang well that is too skinny for me, while my higher end is 145, and for me that is too big. I try to keep it in the middle around 21 or so.
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If you check the USDA's site, you can find a chart for what they consider to be healthy weight, underweight, overweight, obese, and morbidly obese--all this based on your height. I do think they include BMI too.

BMI is a tricky thing to calculate because other factors like muscle mass and water weight can effect it. I try not to worry about BMI until I've reached my goal weight.
This is completely incorrect. BMI is based only on height and weight. Nothing else comes into play at all. BMI=weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared. That's all.
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I don't worry about it too much either way.. plus health information is always changing. One day coffee, butter, and eggs are the devil, and the next they're the best thing ever. I just go by how I feel. If I feel healthy I must be doing something right.
Health information is not always changing. Studies are always being done that add to the full body of scientific knowledge, but it's almost never that one study would actually change the overall information. The media takes information that they misinterpret and vastly over estimate the importance of--that doesn't mean the health information is actually changing. That means the news outlets needed a story.

I just don't like it when people undervalue science in this way. The blame goes to the reporters and the public, not the scientists, for the changing information.
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"Eat right, exercise..still die."

I don't worry about it too much either way.. plus health information is always changing. One day coffee, butter, and eggs are the devil, and the next they're the best thing ever. I just go by how I feel. If I feel healthy I must be doing something right.
Health information is not always changing. Studies are always being done that add to the full body of scientific knowledge, but it's almost never that one study would actually change the overall information. The media takes information that they misinterpret and vastly over estimate the importance of--that doesn't mean the health information is actually changing. That means the news outlets needed a story.

I just don't like it when people undervalue science in this way. The blame goes to the reporters and the public, not the scientists, for the changing information.

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the news is always saying do this and do that, with their ******** or blatantly obvious stuff. Like this year the IT foods, are kefir and blueberries (again). And then people are like "omg have you ever heard of blueberries, they're really good for you!" gtfo.

I know I'm fat, but I know why. It's really not rocket science when you're eating crap food all the time, and sitting on the couch (I'm speaking for me)
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If you check the USDA's site, you can find a chart for what they consider to be healthy weight, underweight, overweight, obese, and morbidly obese--all this based on your height. I do think they include BMI too.

BMI is a tricky thing to calculate because other factors like muscle mass and water weight can effect it. I try not to worry about BMI until I've reached my goal weight.
This is completely incorrect. BMI is based only on height and weight. Nothing else comes into play at all. BMI=weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared. That's all.
I think she was saying that muscle mass and water weight affect your weight, but BMI doesn't take that into account (I could be wrong though). That's why it's not accurate for athletes. But regular folks like me, yea, I'd say it's pretty accurate.
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waist to hip ratio (how much belly fat someone has) and how healthy someone is--cholesterol levels, triglycerides, whether someone has a fatty liver, blood pressure or sugar issues,
The waist to hip doesn't work for me because I do not have a woman's figure at all. Even when I was a size 0 and then later at a 6, my hips were only about an inch bigger than than my waist. The more weight I gain, the larger my hips become but at a size 12, my hips are only about 4-5 inches bigger than my waist. And no, I do not have a big stomach, actually just a little poochie . I am not curvy at all when I am skinny. I wore men's jeans up until 3 years ago, because I could never do the women's hip/waist ratios.

My doctor says I am a long-waisted apple shape and although my stomach isn't "fat" I technically have "waist-line obsesity" because my waist isn't a great deal smaller than my hips.

I am 5'9" and weigh 162 pounds. I don't look skinny nor do I look fat. There are just so many things they look at medically that I seem to either be really unhealthy or a bizarre exception to the rule.

According to my height and wrist size, the website someone posted earlier, I should weigh 160 pounds. I am pretty small boned but I have really wide shoulders for a woman. I think I have a man's shape plus boobs
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But regular folks like me, yea, I'd say it's pretty accurate.
how can it be accurate when it was arbitrarily changed in one day?

in early 1998, 26 would have been the middle of the scale and 26 for women meant something different than it did for me.

in late 1998 to now, 21 is the middle of the scale and women's bodies are being measured the same way men's are.

this is WRONG!

i'm not trying to justify my being fat - i'm grossly fat by either measure and i know it.

but you can't be deemed to be "the perfect weight" one day and overweight the next because some people who know nothing about the state of your health and body composition have decreed it so.

what's to stop them from changing it again????

THAT is why BMI sucks!
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But regular folks like me, yea, I'd say it's pretty accurate.
how can it be accurate when it was arbitrarily changed in one day?

in early 1998, 26 would have been the middle of the scale and 26 for women meant something different than it did for me.

in late 1998 to now, 21 is the middle of the scale and women's bodies are being measured the same way men's are.

this is WRONG!

i'm not trying to justify my being fat - i'm grossly fat by either measure and i know it.

but you can't be deemed to be "the perfect weight" one day and overweight the next because some people who know nothing about the state of your health and body composition have decreed it so.

what's to stop them from changing it again????

THAT is why BMI sucks!
It wouldn't be the first time health guidelines or "healthy" measurements have changed, so I'm not sure what you are criticizing. Haven't the healthy measures for body fat, blood pressure, salt intake, etc changed as well?

Blood pressure normal? Maybe now it isn’t.

This really isn't anything new. I'm not saying that your point isn't valid, but this kind of thing happens all the time, so are we to completely throw all guidelines out of the window? I say no. I, for one, am glad they changed the numbers - if I were 155 pounds that is definitely way too large, 145 is big enough. It's ten pounds...not that big of a difference.

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The waist to hip doesn't work for me because I do not have a woman's figure at all. Even when I was a size 0 and then later at a 6, my hips were only about an inch bigger than than my waist. The more weight I gain, the larger my hips become but at a size 12, my hips are only about 4-5 inches bigger than my waist. And no, I do not have a big stomach, actually just a little poochie . I am not curvy at all when I am skinny. I wore men's jeans up until 3 years ago, because I could never do the women's hip/waist ratios.

My doctor says I am a long-waisted apple shape and although my stomach isn't "fat" I technically have "waist-line obsesity" because my waist isn't a great deal smaller than my hips.

I am 5'9" and weigh 162 pounds. I don't look skinny nor do I look fat. There are just so many things they look at medically that I seem to either be really unhealthy or a bizarre exception to the rule.

According to my height and wrist size, the website someone posted earlier, I should weigh 160 pounds. I am pretty small boned but I have really wide shoulders for a woman. I think I have a man's shape plus boobs
Heh. No boobs for me. At 108 pounds I was a 32B. At 172 pounds I am a 33B. My body just doesn't distribute fat that way. Sometimes I wish it would!
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I don't worry about it too much either way.. plus health information is always changing. One day coffee, butter, and eggs are the devil, and the next they're the best thing ever. I just go by how I feel. If I feel healthy I must be doing something right.
Health information is not always changing. Studies are always being done that add to the full body of scientific knowledge, but it's almost never that one study would actually change the overall information. The media takes information that they misinterpret and vastly over estimate the importance of--that doesn't mean the health information is actually changing. That means the news outlets needed a story.

I just don't like it when people undervalue science in this way. The blame goes to the reporters and the public, not the scientists, for the changing information.
I take into consideration what the scientists or the media say, but I don't revolve my diet or exercise around "what's hot" this year. Scientists also make mistakes and change the body of knowledge depending on who's funding them.. wasn't it scientists and doctors who said cigarettes were good for you decades ago?
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"Eat right, exercise..still die."

I don't worry about it too much either way.. plus health information is always changing. One day coffee, butter, and eggs are the devil, and the next they're the best thing ever. I just go by how I feel. If I feel healthy I must be doing something right.
Health information is not always changing. Studies are always being done that add to the full body of scientific knowledge, but it's almost never that one study would actually change the overall information. The media takes information that they misinterpret and vastly over estimate the importance of--that doesn't mean the health information is actually changing. That means the news outlets needed a story.

I just don't like it when people undervalue science in this way. The blame goes to the reporters and the public, not the scientists, for the changing information.
I take into consideration what the scientists or the media say, but I don't revolve my diet or exercise around "what's hot" this year. Scientists also make mistakes and change the body of knowledge depending on who's funding them.. wasn't it scientists and doctors who said cigarettes were good for you decades ago?
Say what? I need to Google this. But I agree that popular foods are often pitched due to what the world revolves around.... $$$$$ I also agree with WhoMe though...vegetables were always healthy, it's just that no one reminded you everyday, lol.
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I'm aiming for what I weighed when I graduated college (140), It's at the top edge of healthy weight for my height (5'4"). I felt the most confident at that size.
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My ideal weight is the weight that I feel the most comfortable in. My BMI tells me I'm "overweight", but if I was to lose more weight, I would be too skinny. I like the way my body is and I don't think it's necessary for me to lose weight.

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According to the wrist test, I have a small frame? My fingers overlap.

I guess I believe it, but fat goes to the lower half of my body (and my boobs)... My waist is pretty small. Usually around 26" compared to my hips are that 40" and I'm a 34DDD. So, although I carry fat in my lower body, if I lose weight you start to see my ribs. It's kinda weird.

Apparently, I should lose 20lbs. I think I'll look gross if I was to lose that amount of weight, IDK!



I think I look fine as is.
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According to the wrist test, I have a small frame? My fingers overlap.

I guess I believe it, but fat goes to the lower half of my body (and my boobs)... My waist is pretty small. Usually around 26" compared to my hips are that 40" and I'm a 34DDD. So, although I carry fat in my lower body, if I lose weight you start to see my ribs. It's kinda weird.
That's not the wrist test. You need to measure the circumference around your wrist. Mine fingers overlap too but around my wrist is 6" = medium frame.
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