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Old 01-24-2007, 04:41 PM   #21
 
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I also found it interesting the things people mentioned about Africa in response:
war, poverty, female circumcision, AIDS, that sort of thing

My first thoughts about Africa are its rich, diverse cultures and its beautiful wildlife.
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in their defense, the media really only portrays africa as war torn, poor and diseased.

student ignorance is excused. the professor should be reported. at the end of the semester don't you have an opportunity to rate the professor anonymously? you can write just what you think about him without him ever knowing it was you. at rutgers university they always handed out a form that asked detailed questions for you to fill in the dot and then there was space for you to also make comments. keep record and use that as a vehicle to express your views.
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i got this from a poster from another website. it shows images of africa that are shamefully rarely depicted here in the united states:
click here, be patient it takes some time for all the pictures to show up
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I also found it interesting the things people mentioned about Africa in response:
war, poverty, female circumcision, AIDS, that sort of thing

My first thoughts about Africa are its rich, diverse cultures and its beautiful wildlife.
As Frau said, that's what the media spoon feeds to the American public. Africans are starving, Africans commit acts of genocide against each other, African are corrupt, Africans are disease ridden, Africans cannot manage money or national debt, African are sexually violent, Africans are poor and hopeless. And the list goes on and on. Pretty much no or extremely sparse coverage of anything postive or beneficial or smart occuring in the entire continent.

As for the wildlife, yes, there are some who fancy Africa for an "exotic" safaric vacation. But I don't really see that extending to an appreciation of the continent or any country contained therein (except for many exoticized North Africa and possibly South Africa and the Cape). In fact, the whole Africa = Safari seems to further objectify the continent as being primitive and filled mainly with animal life and lesser developed cultures.

Obviously, I find all of this dispiriting, sick and disheartening. I think the situation may change over time as people begin to demand more equal news reporting and speak up against the propoganda and ignorance. I think we all must bear this burden, no matter our color or background. If you spot, hear or see ignorance of this type, I think it's terrific to speak out against it. Otherwise, it just continues.
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I also see an unfortunate connection between the media's depiction of Africans and african-americans. The same emphasis on the most downtrodden and worst aspects of these cultures and communities without nearly as much balanced coverage of positive, beneficial and smart conduct, choices and action. I'm not sure which came first in this chicken and egg scenario - african americans are at a disadvantage because of the African geneology and heritage, or Africans cannot get their act together just like their african american cohorts (or brothers and sisters). It troubles me a great deal to see other countries and cultures given respect and more balanced news coverage, which amounts to humanizing and valuing those groups, but then Africans and african americans are relegated to a social, economic and political trash heap. It makes me very angry and pissed.
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Maybe 700 or 7,000 or 7,000,000 pages if that is what it takes. I'm not sure the right number. Are you?
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:42 PM   #27
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Thanks for the pics Frau. Some beautiful people and beautiful cities. It's a shame the information Americans receive about the rest of the world is filtered through the biased media machinery.

Something you don't see every day:

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i got this from a poster from another website. it shows images of africa that are shamefully rarely depicted here in the united states:
click here, be patient it takes some time for all the pictures to show up
Does take a long time to warm up, thanks for the warning.

These images are outstanding. They reveal many modern structures and buildings and a wide range of people and images. I don't see famine victims and rock farmers. I see more of what you probably do see in the continent without the obviously slanted, obviously racist US media "spin." Sadly, I think that in time, when all of the other areas are used up and fully pimped out (think of commercial development and tourism throughout Asia and parts of Latin America), Africa will be next as an object of foreign land speculation, tourism and other forms of commercial behavior. I suppose that is good because in the world now, to have commercial worth is to have value.

I'm also intrigued by China's recent overtures to various African countries. Yes, I'm sure there are lots of selfish, land and resource grabbing type incentives. But I've also read where the Chinese think that the US scoffs, ignores and poorly treats African countries, leaving a gap for the Chinese to step in and develop key, strategic relationships. Do I think this is good? Perhaps, yes, although the dynamics inevitably will be more about US v. China and who is bigger and better v. giving a damn about African countries and nations.

Anyway, rant ending.

Thanks, Frau, for the incredible link. I'll be sharing it around.
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Without even stating the obious- I'm curious how this was relevant to your biology class? And why your bio professor would consider himself an expert in such matters? What is his purpose in spreading all this misinformation?
The class is on tropical rainforests. Of course, no class on rainforests is complete without mentioning the destruction of rainforests, so that is how the topic of "the African culture" came up.

I have noticed a real tendency to look at the "third world" with disdain among some biologists. There is a subtle but real attitude like I mentioned above of all those ignorant people ravaging their beautiful environment and having too many babies. People say "rapid population growth" like it's disgusting. Never mind that we already ravaged our environment here and already went through the rapid growth stage of the population curve here. Obviously we are better than them.
that's because we're patriots, and we do it with amurican klass.
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in their defense, the media really only portrays africa as war torn, poor and diseased.
exactly what i was thinking.
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I also see an unfortunate connection between the media's depiction of Africans and african-americans. The same emphasis on the most downtrodden and worst aspects of these cultures and communities without nearly as much balanced coverage of positive, beneficial and smart conduct, choices and action. I'm not sure which came first in this chicken and egg scenario - african americans are at a disadvantage because of the African geneology and heritage, or Africans cannot get their act together just like their african american cohorts (or brothers and sisters). It troubles me a great deal to see other countries and cultures given respect and more balanced news coverage, which amounts to humanizing and valuing those groups, but then Africans and african americans are relegated to a social, economic and political trash heap. It makes me very angry and pissed.
exactly what i was thinking also. and i think the africa-bashing came first.
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That was a great link, frau.

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Something you don't see every day:

That picture made me feel sad.
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I also see an unfortunate connection between the media's depiction of Africans and african-americans. The same emphasis on the most downtrodden and worst aspects of these cultures and communities without nearly as much balanced coverage of positive, beneficial and smart conduct, choices and action. I'm not sure which came first in this chicken and egg scenario - african americans are at a disadvantage because of the African geneology and heritage, or Africans cannot get their act together just like their african american cohorts (or brothers and sisters). It troubles me a great deal to see other countries and cultures given respect and more balanced news coverage, which amounts to humanizing and valuing those groups, but then Africans and african americans are relegated to a social, economic and political trash heap. It makes me very angry and pissed.
exactly what i was thinking also. and i think the africa-bashing came first.
Well, the notion of supposed genetic and cultural inferiority of Africans was part and parcel of justifying colonial slavery in the US and enslavement and occupation of African countries by the Spanish, Dutch, Portugeuse, English and French.

I suppose the modern parallel would be that african americans "deserve" higher rates of incarceration or a lesser social and economic status, because of supposed tendencies towards violence, out of wedlock childbirth, lower test scores, poor family values, etc..
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I really like this image from Yaounde, Cameroon pop. ~ 1.2 million. It makes me happy.




This image of Abidjan, Ivory Coast pop. ~ 3 million is fantastic for coastal, city lovers.



And this garden in Ouagadougou , Bukina Faso ~ 750 000 is just lovely.



There are so many fantastic, modern images from Ghana, Nigeria and Ethiopia too. Way too many to post in this thread. People should check out Frau's link and read up on these countries. We all should educate ourselves and expand our horizons.

ETA: This one from Ghana is just too special not to add. It's fantastic.

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[quote="yagottaloveyacurls"]That was a great link, frau.

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Something you don't see every day:

That picture made me feel sad.
why? because of the modern world impinging on nature?
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Sorry, I just can't seem to help myself. I am truly inspired by these beautiful and rare visual images. I hope that you will be too, next time you hear ignorance about some monolithic and supposedly primitive or hopeless African culture/mentality/outlook/geography. We all need to open our eyes and minds.

Douala, Cameroon pop. ~ 1.6 million







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Libreville, Gabon pop. ~ 400 000
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That reminds me of the Professor I got for Irish Lit who started the first day of class by explaining how all of the stereotypes about the irish being nothing but drunken depressed degenerates were obviously true, because "Angela's Ashes" said so.

She was a native Italian. So I raised my hand and said, "Would it then be fair to assume that all Italians are pasta-eating, wine-drunk gangsters because mafia movies say so?"

I flunked that class. With pride.
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Those pictures are great. I wish more people would see them.
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Luanda, Angola pop. ~ 3 million





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Those pictures are great. I wish more people would see them.
They can, and they will, if we only spread the word.

Tonight, I send these images to a wide network of people I know, including journalists, etc.. We, all of us, must take it upon ourselves to address these issues head on, in any way that we can. If that means letters to the editor or reaching out to people we know or just challenging people in everyday conversation, then let's do that. Let's do something. More, much more than we do right now.
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