Trayvon Martin coverage: Republicans, many whites say 'enough'

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"1. BE COURTEOUS. BE TOLERANT. You're about to encounter many new friends in our community, with many new and interesting viewpoints. Please be respectful and tolerant of everyone you meet, even if you disagree with their opinions. Don't use language that is threatening, abusive, harassing, hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable. And don't engage in personal attacks. This includes NaturallyCurly.com staff, who work hard to keep our Community a fun spot to visit."
Originally Posted by SaraNoH
Maybe Wile needs to read the forum rules and conduct herself accordingly.

Just a suggestion...
"Bad" comment?!

Ok.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
Youre to put me on trial because you don't like my adjective?

Come on, relax, I'm not defending her comment at all. In fact the VERY next comment after that one she made is ME saying 'sigh' - because at that point I couldn't think of another thing to do other than shake my head.

Get off my back for every little thing. (general)

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Originally Posted by iroc
You should relax. I'm not a judge or jury. However your adjective seemed a bit of an understatement.

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Last edited by Kilajo; 04-12-2012 at 10:48 AM.
Maybe this is what SuZen is thinking of:

"1. BE COURTEOUS. BE TOLERANT. You're about to encounter many new friends in our community, with many new and interesting viewpoints. Please be respectful and tolerant of everyone you meet, even if you disagree with their opinions. Don't use language that is threatening, abusive, harassing, hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable. And don't engage in personal attacks. This includes NaturallyCurly.com staff, who work hard to keep our Community a fun spot to visit."
Originally Posted by SaraNoH
Why did you not bold "courteous", "tolerant", "respect", "hateful" or "racially or ethnically objectionable?"
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
The comment was just wrong. I think most, of us know that. I don't see the purpose of putting it on a billboard (so to speak) to further shame the person who made the comment.

Not to mention, to continually remind and anger everyone else every time they have to see it.

Regardless if someone makes a bad comment, it still doesn't make it okay to bully them.

'well SHE did it first' doesn't seem like enough of an argument.'

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Originally Posted by iroc
Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
All of this, but for me especially the bolded.


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The comment was just wrong. I think most, of us know that. I don't see the purpose of putting it on a billboard (so to speak) to further shame the person who made the comment.

Not to mention, to continually remind and anger everyone else every time they have to see it.

Regardless if someone makes a bad comment, it still doesn't make it okay to bully them.

'well SHE did it first' doesn't seem like enough of an argument.'

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Originally Posted by iroc
Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
I understand everything you say. I am not a clueless closed minded person. I had emotions toward the comment as well. I'm not saying ignore it, or forget it, or move on, or anything, I just don't see the point of repeating it over and over.

As a black woman, do you want to read it every time you log on? You like that slap in the face everyday? I just think its unnecessary to feed anger like that.

And if shes proud of the comment, youre praising her by putting it up.

It sends more messages than just the one youre trying to display.

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Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
The mods SHOULD... then you wouldn't have been in the position of having to do this in the first place. Maybe THEY are ashamed that they didn't take this seriously and you're reminding them of that?

Three cheers for RCW.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











With the "Messacan/Messican" kerfluffle last year, she barely got her hand slapped by the mods. I believe their response was something like "Wile is aware some people find her position offensive, but it is up to her what she wants to do with the criticism."

In my opinion, if the mods continue to allow Wile to make racially insensitive/offensive remarks, seemingly without consequence, then this is what happens. Good people are left to fend for themselves, basically.
Originally Posted by misspam
Oh dear! I'm glad I wasn't around for that.

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Maybe this is what SuZen is thinking of:

"1. BE COURTEOUS. BE TOLERANT. You're about to encounter many new friends in our community, with many new and interesting viewpoints. Please be respectful and tolerant of everyone you meet, even if you disagree with their opinions. Don't use language that is threatening, abusive, harassing, hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable. And don't engage in personal attacks. This includes NaturallyCurly.com staff, who work hard to keep our Community a fun spot to visit."
Originally Posted by SaraNoH


It's not a personal attack to use someone else's own "hateful or racially objectionable" quote in a signature.

I refuse to tolerate INtolerance. It's just wrong.
As a black woman, I do want to read it every time I log on, because I want to remember what kind of person she is.
Quote:
People should be willing to stand by the things they say. Or they shouldn't say them. If your opinion can't stand in the light of day...maybe it should stay in the dark...in your head?
- AmberBrown
RCW - maybe if you take out the "Hall of Shame" part it's not inflammatory. I mean, she said what she said. That way you're not forming an opinion or "attack" on her words? Maybe?
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra

OK...I'll remove the Hall of Shame part, because that is my opinion, not dirty fact, like her signature is.
CurlyElectra likes this.
"Bad" comment?!

Ok.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
Youre to put me on trial because you don't like my adjective?

Come on, relax, I'm not defending her comment at all. In fact the VERY next comment after that one she made is ME saying 'sigh' - because at that point I couldn't think of another thing to do other than shake my head.

Get off my back for every little thing. (general)

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Originally Posted by iroc
You should relax. I'm not a judge or jury. However your adjective seemed a bit of an understatement.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo

I agree, but the statement that includes the word 'bad' was more of a general one, not necessarily specific to this issue.


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Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I'm on my phone and can't "like" this as a result, but you certainly have my support, RCW. If you're banned for this, I'm out of here.

--
Sent from my phone, please excuse typos or brevity.
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"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
With the "Messacan/Messican" kerfluffle last year, she barely got her hand slapped by the mods. I believe their response was something like "Wile is aware some people find her position offensive, but it is up to her what she wants to do with the criticism."

In my opinion, if the mods continue to allow Wile to make racially insensitive/offensive remarks, seemingly without consequence, then this is what happens. Good people are left to fend for themselves, basically.
Originally Posted by misspam
Oh, laws, I don't remember that at all.


Obamacare is not a blueprint for socialism. You're thinking of the New Testament. ~~ John Fugelsang



As a black woman, do you want to read it every time you log on? You like that slap in the face everyday? I just think its unnecessary to feed anger like that.
Originally Posted by iroc

Not a slap in the face. Especially since RCW put it to showcase the how ignorant it is.

I feel good about it. People are talking a stand.


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The comment was just wrong. I think most, of us know that. I don't see the purpose of putting it on a billboard (so to speak) to further shame the person who made the comment.

Not to mention, to continually remind and anger everyone else every time they have to see it.

Regardless if someone makes a bad comment, it still doesn't make it okay to bully them.

'well SHE did it first' doesn't seem like enough of an argument.'

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Originally Posted by iroc
Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
I understand everything you say. I am not a clueless closed minded person. I had emotions toward the comment as well. I'm not saying ignore it, or forget it, or move on, or anything, I just don't see the point of repeating it over and over.

As a black woman, do you want to read it every time you log on? You like that slap in the face everyday? I just think its unnecessary to feed anger like that.

And if shes proud of the comment, youre praising her by putting it up.

It sends more messages than just the one youre trying to display.

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Originally Posted by iroc
I agree with you on that one point.
The comment doesn't feed my anger or slap me in the face seeing it in RCW's sig.
There's a long history of racist comments sliding by on NC and that hasn't changed and likely won't. What HAS is that more members - and more white members - are willing to call it out. So seeing that sig makes me feel good knowing that members here are looking out for others and for what is right. It reminds me that I should do the same - it's inspiring.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











The comment was just wrong. I think most, of us know that. I don't see the purpose of putting it on a billboard (so to speak) to further shame the person who made the comment.

Not to mention, to continually remind and anger everyone else every time they have to see it.

Regardless if someone makes a bad comment, it still doesn't make it okay to bully them.

'well SHE did it first' doesn't seem like enough of an argument.'

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Originally Posted by iroc
Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
I understand everything you say. I am not a clueless closed minded person. I had emotions toward the comment as well. I'm not saying ignore it, or forget it, or move on, or anything, I just don't see the point of repeating it over and over.

As a black woman, do you want to read it every time you log on? You like that slap in the face everyday? I just think its unnecessary to feed anger like that.

And if shes proud of the comment, youre praising her by putting it up.

It sends more messages than just the one youre trying to display.

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Originally Posted by iroc
I would like to see it every time I log on to remind me that there are some people in this world that do think like that, but there are many, many other white people that do NOT think like or condone that way of thinking.

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Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
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This might end up being your most 'liked' post ever.
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Maybe this is what SuZen is thinking of:

"1. BE COURTEOUS. BE TOLERANT. You're about to encounter many new friends in our community, with many new and interesting viewpoints. Please be respectful and tolerant of everyone you meet, even if you disagree with their opinions. Don't use language that is threatening, abusive, harassing, hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable. And don't engage in personal attacks. This includes NaturallyCurly.com staff, who work hard to keep our Community a fun spot to visit."
Originally Posted by SaraNoH
Bolding changed to indicate why it's hypocritical that the original comment was fine but the signature is not.
Originally Posted by amandamarie
WileE, I noticed you liked my comment. Please reread my post. I have not been here long enough to have personal connections to or vendettas against individual members, but I am not expressing support for you. I think it is disgusting that blatantly racist comments can be made on this board, but as soon as they get called out, people rush to the defense of the person who made the racist comment.
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The comment was just wrong. I think most, of us know that. I don't see the purpose of putting it on a billboard (so to speak) to further shame the person who made the comment.

Not to mention, to continually remind and anger everyone else every time they have to see it.

Regardless if someone makes a bad comment, it still doesn't make it okay to bully them.

'well SHE did it first' doesn't seem like enough of an argument.'

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Originally Posted by iroc
Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
oh, and I am NOT putting myself in the shoes of the offender rather than the victim. Its easy to see why the first comment was wrong. That's very obvious. What's not obvious is that trying to one up somebody with a stronger retaliation is not always the answer. Not to me anyway.


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