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It's a couple days before our weekly Black People meeting, but I think RCW just might be getting the White Woman of the Week Award......


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Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
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With the "Messacan/Messican" kerfluffle last year, she barely got her hand slapped by the mods. I believe their response was something like "Wile is aware some people find her position offensive, but it is up to her what she wants to do with the criticism."

In my opinion, if the mods continue to allow Wile to make racially insensitive/offensive remarks, seemingly without consequence, then this is what happens. Good people are left to fend for themselves, basically.
Originally Posted by misspam
Oh, laws, I don't remember that at all.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
That's because as usual, we were told to stop badgering Wile even though she was the one to repeatedly bring it up in various threads like it was cute that she refused to consider why it's bothersome to other people.
See also her use of the word "rape" in contexts not having a thing to do with rape after posters asked her (more than once) to please not use the word.
Seems to me that's a lack of common courtesy. *shrug*
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@iroc, can you please clarify your point? I truly do not see how simply repeating what was initially said is a "stronger retaliation."

She said it, she shows no remorse for it, she should own it.
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Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
QFTMFT

This might end up being your most 'liked' post ever.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
RCC! You put me in your sig without my permission!!!!!
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With the "Messacan/Messican" kerfluffle last year, she barely got her hand slapped by the mods. I believe their response was something like "Wile is aware some people find her position offensive, but it is up to her what she wants to do with the criticism."

In my opinion, if the mods continue to allow Wile to make racially insensitive/offensive remarks, seemingly without consequence, then this is what happens. Good people are left to fend for themselves, basically.
Originally Posted by misspam
Oh, laws, I don't remember that at all.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Yeah, it happened last year sometime, maybe in the summer? I was beyond frustrated with the entire affair.
Suzen...after careful consideration, I've decided NOT to remove WileE's quote from my signature. If YOU choose to remove it for me, that's your business. If you, or Michelle or Gretchen, choose to ban me, that's your right. But, I will not back down on this. When a fellow white person makes a terrible, derogatory, racial remark, I feel a duty as citizen to call them out on it. If I (or other white people) don't do it, then who will? I'm really sorry if you think I'm violating the board rules, and I will take the punishment accordingly, but I will not voluntarily remove my quote...unless/until WileE recants and apologizes. If she decides to do that, I will happily remove it.

Thanks to everyone for your support.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
QFTMFT

This might end up being your most 'liked' post ever.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
RCC! You put me in your sig without my permission!!!!!
Originally Posted by Amneris
Report me.
ETA.

If it bothers you, though, I'll take it out. I just found it sig worthy.

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The comment was just wrong. I think most, of us know that. I don't see the purpose of putting it on a billboard (so to speak) to further shame the person who made the comment.

Not to mention, to continually remind and anger everyone else every time they have to see it.

Regardless if someone makes a bad comment, it still doesn't make it okay to bully them.

'well SHE did it first' doesn't seem like enough of an argument.'

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Originally Posted by iroc
Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
oh, and I am NOT putting myself in the shoes of the offender rather than the victim. Its easy to see why the first comment was wrong. That's very obvious. What's not obvious is that trying to one up somebody with a stronger retaliation is not always the answer. Not to me anyway.


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Originally Posted by iroc
What's obvious to ME is that asking for basic respect for me, and my sons, and my husband, and my people, and this diverse community, and people in general, is not "a stronger retaliation." Do you honestly not get that?
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RCW - maybe if you take out the "Hall of Shame" part it's not inflammatory. I mean, she said what she said. That way you're not forming an opinion or "attack" on her words? Maybe?
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
Quoting for emphasis.

I missed the original comment in the other thread--RCW's post on the first page of this thread clued me in but if I'd missed that too a siggy link would have been very helpful. If NC itself isn't going to do anything about this sort of ignorance I need to know about it so I can protect myself from it. Now, I won't be blindsided the next time I read something bigoted from this particular poster. I know to expect it and how to carry myself in certain threads that she's a part of. NC often comes off as this *liberal tralalala sunshine unicorn we love everybody!* kind of place. It's not. And members should know that. If it was common knowledge that WileE felt this way, maybe there wouldn't be such an uproar. Having that information now will prevent similar reactions in the future. In a way, the siggy will actually help keep the peace. It won't be a sugarcoated peace (like what I was misled by) but at least we'll all have an understanding.
With the "Messacan/Messican" kerfluffle last year, she barely got her hand slapped by the mods. I believe their response was something like "Wile is aware some people find her position offensive, but it is up to her what she wants to do with the criticism."

In my opinion, if the mods continue to allow Wile to make racially insensitive/offensive remarks, seemingly without consequence, then this is what happens. Good people are left to fend for themselves, basically.
Originally Posted by misspam
Oh, laws, I don't remember that at all.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Yeah, it happened last year sometime, maybe in the summer? I was beyond frustrated with the entire affair.
Originally Posted by misspam
Let's not forget her "Jamaina-mon" bs. Which she was called out on, but, of course, it's just us chicks being too sensitive.
Eres o te haces?

QFTMFT

This might end up being your most 'liked' post ever.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
RCC! You put me in your sig without my permission!!!!!
Originally Posted by Amneris
Report me.
ETA.

If it bothers you, though, I'll take it out. I just found it sig worthy.

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Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
LOL, I don't mind at all. I'm honoured.
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Oh, laws, I don't remember that at all.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Yeah, it happened last year sometime, maybe in the summer? I was beyond frustrated with the entire affair.
Originally Posted by misspam
Let's not forget her "Jamaina-mon" bs. Which she was called out on, but, of course, it's just us chicks being too sensitive.
Originally Posted by legends
The Jamaica mon stuff has set my teeth on edge. Can't even count the number of times I've been "Jamaica-monned" or "Jamaica-no problemmed." And my Jamaican roots are only distant.
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oh, and I am NOT putting myself in the shoes of the offender rather than the victim. Its easy to see why the first comment was wrong. That's very obvious. What's not obvious is that trying to one up somebody with a stronger retaliation is not always the answer. Not to me anyway.


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Originally Posted by iroc
But the bulk of your comments has been defending Wile. You actually expressed outrage that she might not return to that thread because of how mean I was.

Y
Eres o te haces?

oh, and I am NOT putting myself in the shoes of the offender rather than the victim. Its easy to see why the first comment was wrong. That's very obvious. What's not obvious is that trying to one up somebody with a stronger retaliation is not always the answer. Not to me anyway.


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Originally Posted by iroc
But the bulk of your comments has been defending Wile. You actually expressed outrage that she might not return to that thread because of how mean I was.

Y
Originally Posted by legends

I don't feel I was/am defending her, and I NEVER defended her comments.

You made a comment that was very personal, about her, and her husband, and their relationship. It didn't have to do with the topic, or the actual conversation, or what she said. It was about her, and her personal information. That's what I thought was wrong.
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Look, I support RCW's signature. I saw that comment in the original thread at the time it was originally put there. I've learned not to be shocked or disappointed by anything on the interwebs, but I wasn't pleased, by any means. I didn't comment on it directly because others had done it before me and were more eloquent that I would have been. What's done can't be undone. The signature doesn't feed into any anger I have that hasn't already existed. As someone previously said, it would serve as a reminder on the kind of person WileE is.
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It has been shown time and time again that Wile does not care how hurtful or hateful she sounds. In fact, I have seen her express nothing but a twisted glee when people take offense at her behavior here. And members are constantly told to let it be, to accept her spitefulness and racism/sexism/every-other-ism because she hides behind the claims that it's all a joke. It isn't a joke. It's hateful and cowardly and disgusting.

Yes, having a constant reminder of racism (or any -ism) in your face every day can be uncomfortable. That's exactly the point. It's wonderful to believe that everyone is inherently good and will do the right thing when given the opportunity, but, sadly, that is not the case. Racists needs to have a spotlight shone on it every time it happens. Ignoring it and pretending it doesn't matter doesn't kill it. It's like a cancer, eating away at society. It can't be destroyed by pretending it doesn't exist or doesn't matter. It only loses its power by being made public, by everyone being reminded of its existence at every possible opportunity.
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Iroc, it's not about "bullying." Bullying is picking on someone who is vulnerable. The comment made served to make others FEEL vulnerable. How angering and upsetting do you think it is for Black women, many of whom were birthed by, or have birthed and are parenting, or are married to, or have siblings who are, Black men, who fear for their safety on a daily basis, never mind fearing for our OWN safety, and who have to put that aside every day and live our lives so we don't look too radical, or paranoid, or insecure, to see comments like that? How angering and upsetting would it be for non-Black people who truly hope and work for progress to see comments like that that can only serve to undermine what they stand for?

Why is it that you can put yourself in the shoes of the offender, but not their victims?

You said in another thread you rely on this board to let you know where Black women are coming from. If you think seeing those words in a sig continually upset and anger, then imagine what our real life is like and knowing that those words are only what someone had the guts to say to your face, so what people may be thinking or planning to do is so much worse.
Originally Posted by Amneris
oh, and I am NOT putting myself in the shoes of the offender rather than the victim. Its easy to see why the first comment was wrong. That's very obvious. What's not obvious is that trying to one up somebody with a stronger retaliation is not always the answer. Not to me anyway.


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Originally Posted by iroc
What's obvious to ME is that asking for basic respect for me, and my sons, and my husband, and my people, and this diverse community, and people in general, is not "a stronger retaliation." Do you honestly not get that?
Originally Posted by Amneris

I think what I'm saying is, the response I would expect is for people to call her out on it, in that thread. To respond to the comment made. To retaliate in the same way the original offense was made. I think that's the way one should defend themselves.
As a black woman, I do want to read it every time I log on, because I want to remember what kind of person she is.
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
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And if you forget what kind of person she allgedly is, or fail to see that reminder, what happens?

oh, and I am NOT putting myself in the shoes of the offender rather than the victim. Its easy to see why the first comment was wrong. That's very obvious. What's not obvious is that trying to one up somebody with a stronger retaliation is not always the answer. Not to me anyway.


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Originally Posted by iroc
What's obvious to ME is that asking for basic respect for me, and my sons, and my husband, and my people, and this diverse community, and people in general, is not "a stronger retaliation." Do you honestly not get that?
Originally Posted by Amneris

I think what I'm saying is, the response I would expect is for people to call her out on it, in that thread. To respond to the comment made. To retaliate in the same way the original offense was made. I think that's the way one should defend themselves.
Originally Posted by iroc
Which was done, but I think the dissatisfaction comes from the mods letting it go / calling out people for calling it out, and the lack of apology, and the comment then being brought up again in another thread. And the history of that happening with other similar comments. This wasn't a one-time slip-up.
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