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Old 04-12-2012, 10:17 AM   #1
 
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Default I think I have a sugar addiction and I'm going to try the "reboot diet"

I don't know if this is new for me or if (at 44, sigh) I've figured out that I have an actual sugar addiction. But what's been happening recently is if I go for my morning coffee at Starbucks (white mocha... which has sweetened condensed milk on the bottom), it sets me up for a day of craving sugary sweets uncontrollably.

And this past weekend was the worst. I'm not making this up. My diet for Friday, Saturday and Sunday consisted ONLY of soda, potato chips, and sweetened condensed milk.

I've decided the only way to try to break this addiction is to do a "reboot" diet. My daughter, her mother in law, and her mother in law's brother did it for 10 days. The longer plan consists of vegetable soups and salads. I'm going to do the three-day plan. I don't know how it'll go, but I'm going to give it a whirl. Here's the diet and nutritional information for the first day. Looks like there's some good protein and stuff so I'm not too worried about it being nutritionally sound. I'll start on Saturday because I need to shop for everything.

Have you heard of it? Done it?

DAY ONE

First thing in the morning
8-16 ounces of hot water with lemon and ginger (optional)
16 oz. water (filtered is recommended)

BREAKFAST
Carrot Apple Ginger Juice

3 organic carrots
2 organic apples
1 small piece of ginger (about 1 inch)

Serves:1
Prep:10 min
Total:10 min
Calories: 233 kcal
Protein:3 gm
Fiber:3 gm
Total Fat:1 gm
Sat. Fat: 0 gm
Sodium:152 mg
Carbs: 46 gm

MID MORNING JUICE
Mean Green Juice

1 cucumber
4 celery stalks
2 apples
6-8 leaves kale (Australian tuscan cabbage)
1/2 lemon
1 tbsp ginger

Serves: 1
Calories: 310
Protein:10 gm
Fiber: 2 gm
Total Fat:1.5 gm
Sat. Fat:0 gm
Sodium: 260 mg
Carbs: 57 gm

LUNCH
Gazpacho Juice

4 Plum Tomatoes
1 large Cucumber
2 stalks Celery
1 Red Bell Pepper (Australia capsicum)
1/4 small Red Onion
2 cups Parsley, leaves and stems, roughly chopped and packed into the measuring cup
1 Lime

Serves:1
Prep:10 min
Total:10 min
Calories:215 kcal
Protein:11 g
Fiber: 0 g
Total Fat: 2 gm
Sat. Fat: 0 gm
Sodium:180 mg
Carbs: 31 gm

AFTERNOON SNACK
Citrus Inspired Green Juice

6-8 leaves kale (Australian tuscan cabbage)
6-8 leaves swiss chard (Australian silverbeet)
1 cucumber
6 clementines

Serves:1
Prep:10 min
Total:10 min
Calories:388 kcal
Protein:16 gm
Fiber: 3 gm

DINNER
Sunset Blend Juice
1 large Sweet Potato
1 medium Carrot
1 Red Bell Pepper
2 large Red Beets (Australia beetroot)
2 Golden Delicious Apples
1 Orange, optional

Serves:1
Prep:10 min
Total:10 min
Calories: 436 kcal
Protein:9 g
Fiber:2 g
Total Fat: 1 gm
Sat. Fat: 0 gm
Sodium:250 mg
Carbs: 88 gm
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Is that necessary?

I have a serious sweet tooth too and I have learned to limit it (most of the time - when stressed or at holidays all bets are off, and it does take a little while to "reboot".) I don't think a weird 10-day diet gets you off sugar. You get off it by examining why and when you want it, finding other acceptable substitutes, changing habits and behaviours, learning to indulge reasonably, etc. (in my opinion.) It is going to be a lifelong process and not something that can be fixed in 10 days.
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This sound gimmicky. Why not just remove all simple carbohydrates from your diet for 3 days? Or all carbs, period? Why do you need these particular vegetables in these quanities?

But yes, if you drasticaly reduce the amount of carb you consume, you will stop craving carbs.

I think if you want that to happen there are better eating plans/menus than this...bc this one still contains higher carb foods and won't be as effective in lessening the cravings as an eating plan/menu that is is lower in carbs.
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This sound gimmicky. Why not just remove all simple carbohydrates from your diet for 3 days? Or all carbs, period? Why do you need these particular vegetables in these quanities?

But yes, if you drasticaly reduce the amount of carb you consume, you will stop craving carbs.

I think if you want that to happen there are better eating plans/menus than this...bc this one still contains higher carb foods and won't be as effective in lessening the cravings as an eating plan/menu that is is lower in carbs.
This. If you feel that you need to follow an eating plan for the discipline (which I understand), I think something like the first phase of South Beach or something similar would be better, as it's much more balanced in nutrients and defines which types of foods you should eat while leaving you plenty of variety and choice within the guidelines.
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I'm not sure it's carbs... I mean, who knows? Maybe it is. But I don't usually crave carbs in the form of breads or so-called high-carb foods. It's more the horribly sweet sticky stuff (like dulce de lece) or caramel coffee drinks.

My plan-- such as it is-- is to do it for three days and then make a very sensible no highly-processed foods diet. For me that actually means not eating fake meat, either.

Why do it? Not at all because I think it's a panacea, etc. I don't. I think that for me it's more just the idea of-- well, literally, a reboot. I go for months and months doing really really well on how I eat. (lost 25 pounds since August... hella slow, but I'm old and am hypothyroid), but then I do seem to go on these binges. So for me this is just a way to pull myself together.
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I guess what I don't get about this is that the diet requires you to eat things that aren't sugary and bad for you, so you buy all the fruit and vegetables for it instead of the unhealthy stuff. Well, can't you just not buy the unhealthy stuff? I don't get why it has to be some specific diet that requires you to purchase more healthy foods instead of simply purchasing more healthy foods?
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I guess what I don't get about this is that the diet requires you to eat things that aren't sugary and bad for you, so you buy all the fruit and vegetables for it instead of the unhealthy stuff. Well, can't you just not buy the unhealthy stuff? I don't get why it has to be some specific diet that requires you to purchase more healthy foods instead of simply purchasing more healthy foods?
I think it's more the mental aspect for me. I've always been regimented. It's true that if I found an online diet that gave me a three-day vegetarian plan that said, "eat this, this and this for breakfast, lunch, and dinner." I'd do it.

Instead this Monday I went to the store and bought a ton of vegetables to make myself and they sit in my refrigerator untouched.

So it's really mental more than anything else. Anyway, it's three days. I'm also going to bookstore that has meals for one so I can start planning on cooking quick meals just for myself. I think that's also part of my problem. I have always enjoyed cooking for people who enjoy eating. Usually my daughter would have one or two friends over at least a few times a week for dinner. For some reason simply cooking for me seems a chore... especially when I all my cookbooks serve 6 to 8 people.

Again, it's mental. Could I just alter the ingredients to make it a one-serving thing? Yes. But I know me and I know I won't. So I'll buy a cookbook for one person.
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It sounds labor intensive. I'd be all gung ho for a few minutes then inevitably fizzle out quickly.

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Yeah, this is what happens to me too. The more sugar/carbs I eat the more I want. If lay off the carbs for a while I lose the cravings. It also improves my mood.
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It sounds labor intensive. I'd be all gung ho for a few minutes then inevitably fizzle out quickly.
hehe. Yup. Three days is all I can do, I'm sure.
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Whoa, there's like no protein in that. I mean, there is some, by those measurements, but no real satiating protein.

I guess just make sure you don't have to do anything physically strenuous or requiring a lot of focus during this cleanse.

I dunno. SO did a cleanse around the New Year. I know other people that do them. Then they go right back to the way they were eating before. SO was just lamenting last night how he's right back where he started, weight-wise and diet-wise.

I don't discount the merits of such an approach, there are psychological benefits to hitting the reset button, so to speak. But I think without examining your triggers and motives with sugar, you might just go full circle on this.
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This sound gimmicky. Why not just remove all simple carbohydrates from your diet for 3 days? Or all carbs, period? Why do you need these particular vegetables in these quanities?

But yes, if you drasticaly reduce the amount of carb you consume, you will stop craving carbs.

I think if you want that to happen there are better eating plans/menus than this...bc this one still contains higher carb foods and won't be as effective in lessening the cravings as an eating plan/menu that is is lower in carbs.
Not true...speaking as a hardcore sugar addict. A study was recently done that shows that when people eat sugar, the same areas in the brain that light up when addicts are given their drug of choice, light up when sugar junkies are given sugar. It's not just as simple as "just remove the carbs." Clearly, we know that's what we need to do, but it's the execution of the plan that's the problem.

I do agree that the diet is gimmicky and you're setting yourself up to fail, because if it were just that simple to live that way, wouldn't you have already done it? It does get somewhat easier with time when you cut sugars and simple carbs, but the desire for them is always there and can be triggered at a moment's notice out of nowhere. And, there are hidden sugars in so many foods. There are many complex carbs that become simple sugars because of they way the food they're contained within is cooked. It's a day-by-day battle, just like any other addiction, but is not taken as seriously because, well, it's just sugar, right? Try asking an alcoholic to drink just a little alcohol each day, but don't binge or go overboard, and make sure to sneak alcohol into their food or drink without telling them. This is the life of a sugar addict.

You can try to go Paleo or Caveman or Mediterranean, but it's a lot of work preparing foods and reading labels, and it's very expensive as well. It's a lifestyle change and a huge commitment.

I exercise regularly (including high-intensity intervals and weights 5-6 days/week) and follow a mix of Mediterranean and Paleo diets (most of the time) and I'm still battling my sugar addiction daily and am now noting the familiar feeling of a tight abdomen due to increased visceral fat storage again. I even stupidly take all the "belly flattening" supplements, like the omegas, D3, and CLA. At some point you (I) just have to accept your (my) body type and just live life.

Those of us who store fat around the middle and are middle-aged are fighting an 90˚ uphill battle against nature. Our genetics and hormones want that fat to be there, and those fat cells want to be fed once they've been emptied. Your body views weight loss as a threat to its survival and retaliates to protect itself.
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I'm not sure it's carbs... I mean, who knows? Maybe it is. But I don't usually crave carbs in the form of breads or so-called high-carb foods. It's more the horribly sweet sticky stuff (like dulce de lece) or caramel coffee drinks.

My plan-- such as it is-- is to do it for three days and then make a very sensible no highly-processed foods diet. For me that actually means not eating fake meat, either.

Why do it? Not at all because I think it's a panacea, etc. I don't. I think that for me it's more just the idea of-- well, literally, a reboot. I go for months and months doing really really well on how I eat. (lost 25 pounds since August... hella slow, but I'm old and am hypothyroid), but then I do seem to go on these binges. So for me this is just a way to pull myself together.
Sugar is a carb. Carbs = sugars and starches

It's only 3 days so it won't kill you. I'm not saying not to do it. Just that there would be more effective and healthier ways to do it. But sure, try it!
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I'm not sure it's carbs... I mean, who knows? Maybe it is. But I don't usually crave carbs in the form of breads or so-called high-carb foods. It's more the horribly sweet sticky stuff (like dulce de lece) or caramel coffee drinks.

My plan-- such as it is-- is to do it for three days and then make a very sensible no highly-processed foods diet. For me that actually means not eating fake meat, either.

Why do it? Not at all because I think it's a panacea, etc. I don't. I think that for me it's more just the idea of-- well, literally, a reboot. I go for months and months doing really really well on how I eat. (lost 25 pounds since August... hella slow, but I'm old and am hypothyroid), but then I do seem to go on these binges. So for me this is just a way to pull myself together.
Sugar is a carb. Carbs = sugars and starches

It's only 3 days so it won't kill you. I'm not saying not to do it. Just that there would be more effective and healthier ways to do it. But sure, try it!



You're right a carb is a carb. I guess the thing is that when I'm craving sugar I don't think (sadly) "I need an orange!" I think, "I need 5 Lindt white chocolate truffles!"

But I know of course there's a lot of emotion involved in eating. I've been anorexic/bulimic. I used to weigh about 100 pounds back in '97... and I didn't get my period for like a year. I've also been 227 pounds. Happily, I've been somewhere in between those two for years and apparently my natural set point is somewhere around 155-- about 10 pounds away from where I am now.
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I saw the documentary where this "reboot" idea comes from. It's called "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead."

It's really fascinating-- I definitely recommend it. You can watch it for free if you have Netflix streaming.

In the docu, this Australian guy went for something like 2 months just juicing and literally transformed himself, inside and out. His juices were *mostly* vegetables with a little bit of fruit. I think that "Mean Grean" one is the main one he drank.

He healed a skin disease he'd been suffering from for years, dropped loads of weight, and lots of other good "internal" things. Then he helps some other people do some detoxes along the way.

Oh, and on a shallow note, he goes from looking paunchy and middle-aged to really cute!!

There's nothing unhealthy about it, and so I say go for it if you can stick with it!
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I guess what I don't get about this is that the diet requires you to eat things that aren't sugary and bad for you, so you buy all the fruit and vegetables for it instead of the unhealthy stuff. Well, can't you just not buy the unhealthy stuff? I don't get why it has to be some specific diet that requires you to purchase more healthy foods instead of simply purchasing more healthy foods?
I think it's more the mental aspect for me. I've always been regimented. It's true that if I found an online diet that gave me a three-day vegetarian plan that said, "eat this, this and this for breakfast, lunch, and dinner." I'd do it.

Instead this Monday I went to the store and bought a ton of vegetables to make myself and they sit in my refrigerator untouched.

So it's really mental more than anything else. Anyway, it's three days. I'm also going to bookstore that has meals for one so I can start planning on cooking quick meals just for myself. I think that's also part of my problem. I have always enjoyed cooking for people who enjoy eating. Usually my daughter would have one or two friends over at least a few times a week for dinner. For some reason simply cooking for me seems a chore... especially when I all my cookbooks serve 6 to 8 people.

Again, it's mental. Could I just alter the ingredients to make it a one-serving thing? Yes. But I know me and I know I won't. So I'll buy a cookbook for one person.
Ah, okay, I get what you're saying. I just have a hard time with the idea because I just don't buy anything that I consider to be filler or junk food. Can't eat it unless you buy it. But I guess from reading these boards that not buying isn't so simple for some.
Well, I hope it works out for you. If you do make juice from fruit and vegetables, you want to drink then right away if you want to get the most nutrients out of them, by the way. So, I wouldn't make a batch to drink for later, unless you're more interested in just the diet aspect than getting certain nutrients.
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I guess what I don't get about this is that the diet requires you to eat things that aren't sugary and bad for you, so you buy all the fruit and vegetables for it instead of the unhealthy stuff. Well, can't you just not buy the unhealthy stuff? I don't get why it has to be some specific diet that requires you to purchase more healthy foods instead of simply purchasing more healthy foods?
I think it's more the mental aspect for me. I've always been regimented. It's true that if I found an online diet that gave me a three-day vegetarian plan that said, "eat this, this and this for breakfast, lunch, and dinner." I'd do it.

Instead this Monday I went to the store and bought a ton of vegetables to make myself and they sit in my refrigerator untouched.

So it's really mental more than anything else. Anyway, it's three days. I'm also going to bookstore that has meals for one so I can start planning on cooking quick meals just for myself. I think that's also part of my problem. I have always enjoyed cooking for people who enjoy eating. Usually my daughter would have one or two friends over at least a few times a week for dinner. For some reason simply cooking for me seems a chore... especially when I all my cookbooks serve 6 to 8 people.

Again, it's mental. Could I just alter the ingredients to make it a one-serving thing? Yes. But I know me and I know I won't. So I'll buy a cookbook for one person.
Ah, okay, I get what you're saying. I just have a hard time with the idea because I just don't buy anything that I consider to be filler or junk food. Can't eat it unless you buy it. But I guess from reading these boards that not buying isn't so simple for some.
Well, I hope it works out for you. If you do make juice from fruit and vegetables, you want to drink then right away if you want to get the most nutrients out of them, by the way. So, I wouldn't make a batch to drink for later, unless you're more interested in just the diet aspect than getting certain nutrients.
Thanks! It's definitely the nutrients so I'll be sure to drink it right away.
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I don't like the meal plan at all-if I all I ate for breakfast were apples and carrots I'd be dizzyingly hungry in less than an hour. I'd be better off not eating anything. I never feel satisfied with a meal that doesn't include some protein and fat. But YMMV.

I agree that it'd be better to just cut out the sweet stuff, but I understand wanting something more regimented. It's so much easier when you take the guess work out.
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Oh, by the way, I recommend these for solo cooking:

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I'm also going to bookstore that has meals for one so I can start planning on cooking quick meals just for myself. I think that's also part of my problem. I have always enjoyed cooking for people who enjoy eating. Usually my daughter would have one or two friends over at least a few times a week for dinner. For some reason simply cooking for me seems a chore... especially when I all my cookbooks serve 6 to 8 people.
Exactly why I love one-pot meals that incorporate about 50% veggies and that I can freeze with calorie counts. If I need to cook once, I might as well have dinner today and another 7 dinners in my freezer for days when I'm lazy!

I tend to make soups, chilis, bean dishes, and burritos, but also rice and pasta bowls. I make much more frozen stuff for my daughter too. Why buy nuggets or meatballs when I can make them to our tastes and incorporate veggies?

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