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Old 01-26-2007, 03:10 PM   #21
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I think it's a great idea.
It's something I will get for my hypothetical daughter one day.
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:12 PM   #22
 
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another concern is this. HPV causes about 70% of cervical cancer so when you tout a "cancer vaccine" and the ACOG slips the frequency of PAP smears down to 2 years instead of 1 how much do you want to bet that women will think gyno exams are optional? Already there are women that don't get checked by a gyno/midwife regularly, how many more do you think will scrub the idea because they've been "vaccinated against cervical cancer"?
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:27 PM   #23
 
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My concern is similar to marielle's - that a) this vaccine may encourage people to neglect medical checkups or ASSUME they can't get cancer from other sources or ASSUME they can't get other STD's and
b) it may encourage promiscuity because people feel they are protected... and then they get other STD's, and don't get checked for them because they think they are OK and
c) it may decrease peoples' usage of condoms in casual sex encounters
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Katie will be getting this in the very near future.

She has had all her vaccinations, the chicken pox vac about a year after she got sick. No biggie now she doesn't have to worry about boosters later in life.

With something like this I'm surprised people want to debate it.
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:13 PM   #25
 
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I think it's a great idea.
It's something I will get for my hypothetical daughter one day.
Same here, even though I'd like to believe she wouldn't need it. I was kind of worried about this myself because I was not as careful as I should have been a couple of times and I found out about this vaccine and how it's new (i think last summer) but only for younger women/girls. I think it's too late when your 28 and active.
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:16 PM   #26
 
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I think it's a great idea. This vaccine would have caused me a lot less anxiety and medical procedures if they'd had it 20 years ago.

The more people who get this vaccine the better as far as I am concerned. As more and more people become immune, the virus will have a difficult time finding someone to infect, and that will help protect everyone.
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:21 PM   #27
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I think Marielle makes some good points. There is a lot of controversy regarding vaccinations. This one probably isn't as cut and dry as it might seem at first. I guess it's just another thing we have to educate ourselves about before signing onto it.
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:29 PM   #28
 
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I totally support it, because too few parents will let their girls get the shot unless it's required.
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:32 PM   #29
 
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Also, it's not really a medical procedure. It's only a series of shots, right? I hate needles, though, and it does have risk of side effects like nausea. Is anyone here of the age to get it. From the commercials, it seems to be geared toward 11 and 12 year olds like the OP said. I don't see a problem in young girls getting it - it's one less thing to worry about in the future. But it only prevents one type of cancer, and HPV is not responsible for all cases of cervical cancer. You can get it and not even be sexually active.

Since I've already had sex, wouldn't I likely been exposed to HPV (though I've only had one partner and he hadn't slept w/anyone else in a long time (over 2 years) when we got together). I wonder if it's something that stays in your body forever and can be transmitted even after several years of contracting it. Hmm, I don't know now if it's worth it or not to get this. I would get it if I were 11 or 12, though. I've heard that getting it young will prevent you from having to go to PAP smears every year, but I don't get that since PAPs screen for other things too right?
To the bolded, yes, HPV stays in your body much like herpes does. Once you have it, you always have it.
Actually, this is not true. HPV is quite easily cleared (completely) by the immune sytem in MOST cases. In people with compromised or weakened immune systems, the virus can lay dormant for years, but this is pretty rare. Most people are able to clear the virus entirely with none of it "lingering". I find this stuff fascinating-- it's one of the things that led me into the public health field.

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/C...g/Q147861.html
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:59 PM   #30
 
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I think it is a great idea. However, ALL young girls and women still need to be educated about HPV as the vaccine does not protect against all strains. That said we still have AIDs and other sexually transmitted diseases to worry about so education about safer sex and ways to protect oneself need to mandatory everywhere in America NOW!
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:11 PM   #31
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I think it's a great idea.
It's something I will get for my hypothetical daughter one day.
Same here, even though I'd like to believe she wouldn't need it. I was kind of worried about this myself because I was not as careful as I should have been a couple of times and I found out about this vaccine and how it's new (i think last summer) but only for younger women/girls. I think it's too late when your 28 and active.
Yea, you always want to think they won't need it, but the fact of the matter is most teenage girls (or younger) do not talk to their parents about this stuff. But it is still our job to keep them as informed and protected as possible.

Vaccine or not, it's still the parents job to inform their kids of the dangers of sex and to get their daughters to the gyno at either the first sign of sexual activity or 18, whichever comes first.
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Old 01-27-2007, 06:31 AM   #32
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I'm finding it more than a little coincidental that this vaccine emerged on the heals of this little-publicized study:

http://www.aidsmeds.com/news/am20060622.html

The pharmacuetical companies do not make any money off condoms and if the word really got out about this, then they would miss the gravy train. I wonder how much states that make the vaccine mandatory are getting in kick-backs? The money is in the cure not the treatment so if a vaccine for something magically appears, I'm going to be suspicious. Not only that, the way the FDA has been messing up lately, who knows what the long term effects will be.
I'm a big fan of condoms - no side effects, neat, helpful in the prevention of SDTs, etc. Yet because they are relatively inexpensive and non-prescription (read: no pharmacuetical company is getting rich off them) they are not promoted as much as they should. There is also this strange undermining of it: men don't want to use them because they allegedly cut down on sensation. Women are scared to ask men to use them because it is a sign of distrust. So, to keep everyone happy, women go to the doctors for some prescription that alters the body's natural function and doesn't prevent STDs. Wait ... here comes an HPV vaccine. Let's keep pumping women up with hormones and things, shall we?
This whole thing makes me sick. F the vaccine.
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I saw something on the news last night about the HPV vaccine. Several states are wanting to pass legislation that would make it mandatory.

I've read that most women's immune systems will eventually clear out HPV. The problem is that unless you have wart outbreaks, you might never know you have it, and you transmit it to others, and if your body doesn't clear it out, it can lead to cancer.

This is probably a little tmi but a wart outbreak I'm guessing means several warts, right? I'm wondering because my SO has a couple of warts (skin-colored large bumps). I read in my Gardisil pamplet that genital warts are caused by HPV. So does this mean for sure that he has it, or are genital warts something different than I described? He doesn't have an "outbreak," just a couple. I don't have any, but I've slept with him w/o a condom which means I have it if he does. If 85% of adults have it, I probably do too, so I don't know why they hit me up for it at the gyno exam. I'm not getting it done. It would be different if it protected against all STD's, was a surefire way to protect against cervical cancer, and a yearly gyno exam wouldn't be required. It's $360 - what a waste. Most 20-somethings have already had sex and probably have HPV, so I don't know why they're messing with us anyway. Probably just to get our $$$$.

What I think is sad about the whole thing is that this is it targets such a young age. Yes, it's best to be prepared and get it done early, but 8-year-olds? Maybe it wouldn't bother me as much as if it were just done along with other vaccines. But the fact that we have to worry about this and have this campaign to vaccinate preteens against HPV - it's just startling to see. I think of myself as young, but I didn't know a whole lot of teens having sex before about 16 years of age. My parents wouldn't have had me vaccinated until I was 18 because they knew and I knew that I wouldn't be having sex until then. If I did, HPV would be the least of my problems. I'd be on the streets or with abuela. Parents today seem so casual about it - yeap, just another routine thing. I agree with BB about condoms - they need to be worn - but I don't think this will really stop anyone from using them. Pregnancy is a teen's biggest fear, so if they care about that enough, they'll use them. If not then they won't. If I had known what I know now about STDs/HPV, I would've always used one. I think young people need to be educated more about STDs and safe sex.
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Old 01-27-2007, 08:39 AM   #34
 
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F the vaccine? Sorry, gotta disagree with you there.

This is going to get a bit personal, but I feel I need to share.
I had cervical displasia caused by HPV a couple years ago. No, I'm not a loose woman by any means, but it was something that happened. I foolishly thought this was something that was tested for during your annual exams, but it isn't. Many insurance companies are reccomending that women have gyno exams every 2 to 3 years now, not every year.
If I had relied on that advice, I literally would be dead right now. I had a very agressive case and I lost a major part of my cervix. I don't know if I will be able to carry a child should I ever want one, and I have no guarentees that I will not have further problems down the line. I had absolutely no symptoms of having HPV whatsoever (because they don't all cause warts), and I wouldn't have ever known if I hadn't had my yearly exam.
I don't see any reason for not vaccinating young women for this. I don't see why people wouldn't want their daughters, sisters, and friends to be protected against this possibly deadly disease. Contracting this has possibly taken away a very important decision I may have wanted to make later in life- I wish I would have had the choice two years ago to get the vaccine.
On the other hand, I'm 24 now, and I got my first dose of Guardisil two weeks ago. My doctors think that not only will it protect me from other strains, but it may help with fighting off what I already have. Insurance companies do not always pay for the shot if you get it during your annual, but each dose is about $78.00. I would deffinetly have paid that if I wouldn't have had to deal with what I have the past two years.
No, I don't think this will give kids carte blanche to have sex. I guess I feel that kids are going to do what they want, it's up to us to educate and protect them.
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Wait a sec, I really have to disagree with the logic of "well, I probably already have it, and I'm fine". There are over 20 strains (I think) of HPV.
Just because you MAY have one kind that is not affecting you doesn't mean you couldn't pick up another kind that could affect you. I really don't see how someone could say- I don't want to protect myself against something that could KILL me! To me, that's just reckless.

You wouldn't say-- Chances are sometime in my life I'm going to be involved in a car accident, so I'm not going to wear my seatbelt because there's nothing I can do about being in an accident anyway.

Don't mean to sound like a Beyotch, but seriously, women need to protect themselves!
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Old 01-27-2007, 08:52 AM   #36
 
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Where I live smears/paps are done every 5 years from age 25. I was lucky and was called up for my first pap when I was 20, before they change the criteria. I will be discussing this vaccine with my doctor when I go and get my pill prescrition checked.

I'm all for the vaccine.
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Wait a sec, I really have to disagree with the logic of "well, I probably already have it, and I'm fine". There are over 20 strains (I think) of HPV.
Just because you MAY have one kind that is not affecting you doesn't mean you couldn't pick up another kind that could affect you. I really don't see how someone could say- I don't want to protect myself against something that could KILL me! To me, that's just reckless.

You wouldn't say-- Chances are sometime in my life I'm going to be involved in a car accident, so I'm not going to wear my seatbelt because there's nothing I can do about being in an accident anyway.

Don't mean to sound like a Beyotch, but seriously, women need to protect themselves!
Because I've only been with one person and don't plan on being with someone else anytime soon, maybe never. We always use condoms now anyway. There's not much I can do about what I've already picked up (if I even have). Plus, like someone else said, how do we know that this vaccine is even safe? We haven't had time to look at long-term effects of it on people. Plus, I don't have $360 to spend on this. If you do, good for you. I'm sorry about what happened to you, but I go to routine exams (which my insurance doesn't cover either) and that will have to be enough. I will make the decisions that I feel are best for my health, and you can make your own for your's, k?
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I know a lot of doctors think that the vaccine will lessen the degree of severity of the disease if you already have one of the types of HPV.

I'm not trying to be argumentitive, I just don't want the same thing happen to others as what happened to me. I thought I was being safe too.

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LIKE I said, I wasn't trying to be a bit*ch. Yeah, my insurance covers it, and yeah, my yearlies are covered too. That's not my point. Do what you want, of course, but if my story can prevent one person from going through the crap I went through, damn right I'm gonna tell it.
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Old 01-27-2007, 09:02 AM   #39
 
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I would wait until they can study the long term effects of the vaccine before forcing an entire generation of girls to get it. That said, I'm not morally opposed to eventually adding this to the list of vaccines that kids get. Cervical cancer is a terrible thing and whatever we can do to prevent it is good.
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Wait a sec, I really have to disagree with the logic of "well, I probably already have it, and I'm fine". There are over 20 strains (I think) of HPV.
Just because you MAY have one kind that is not affecting you doesn't mean you couldn't pick up another kind that could affect you. I really don't see how someone could say- I don't want to protect myself against something that could KILL me! To me, that's just reckless.

You wouldn't say-- Chances are sometime in my life I'm going to be involved in a car accident, so I'm not going to wear my seatbelt because there's nothing I can do about being in an accident anyway.

Don't mean to sound like a Beyotch, but seriously, women need to protect themselves!
I 100% agree with your posts.

And the comment about asking a man to wear a condom is a sign of distrust? I can see how this kind of "spin" might be put on the situation, but why can't it be seen as a "I am trying to be safe." Both from diseases and from pregnancy. I think that asking to wear a condom is a sign of respect...for the other person's health.
As my husband says, any guy worth his salt wouldn't question it if a girl asked him to wear a condom.
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