What do you think: HPV vaccination requirement

I can understand being leery because we don't know the long-term effects. Fortunately, if I ever have kids we'll know a lot more about them by the time they were old enough to get the vaccine. If it turned out to be safe there is no way I would not get my daughters vaccinated.
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I saw something on the news last night about the HPV vaccine. Several states are wanting to pass legislation that would make it mandatory.

I've read that most women's immune systems will eventually clear out HPV. The problem is that unless you have wart outbreaks, you might never know you have it, and you transmit it to others, and if your body doesn't clear it out, it can lead to cancer.

This is probably a little tmi but a wart outbreak I'm guessing means several warts, right? I'm wondering because my SO has a couple of warts (skin-colored large bumps). I read in my Gardisil pamplet that genital warts are caused by HPV. So does this mean for sure that he has it, or are genital warts something different than I described? He doesn't have an "outbreak," just a couple. I don't have any, but I've slept with him w/o a condom which means I have it if he does. If 85% of adults have it, I probably do too, so I don't know why they hit me up for it at the gyno exam. I'm not getting it done. It would be different if it protected against all STD's, was a surefire way to protect against cervical cancer, and a yearly gyno exam wouldn't be required. It's $360 - what a waste. Most 20-somethings have already had sex and probably have HPV, so I don't know why they're messing with us anyway. Probably just to get our $$$$.

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Originally Posted by CurlyMireya
MIssed this post earlier for some reason. If your SO has warts, then yes he has HPV. There are several strains of the virus, some of them causing lesions, and some of them not causing lesions (those are the ones that are most concerning, as those are the ones that are linked to causing cervical cancer).
So, if you have had sex without a condom, it's likely that you also have the virus, and you may not have lesions at all, or many years from now. It's like herpes...it can remain dormant for years. The warts can appear on any part of your genitals, vulva, labia, cervix, etc. Your doctor should be checking visually, and then a PAP would find if there were any abnormalities on your cervix.
Has your SO been seen to get them removed? I imagine that they can cause more problems if he doesn't get them removed, as they can grow inside the penile urethra and can become a nuisance.
Some people are saying that they are fine because they use condoms, but I wanted to say that you can get HPV even if you use a condom. Condoms don't cover all the skin that a person comes in contact with during sex, and that's how it gets spread.
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I saw something on the news last night about the HPV vaccine. Several states are wanting to pass legislation that would make it mandatory.

I've read that most women's immune systems will eventually clear out HPV. The problem is that unless you have wart outbreaks, you might never know you have it, and you transmit it to others, and if your body doesn't clear it out, it can lead to cancer.

This is probably a little tmi but a wart outbreak I'm guessing means several warts, right? I'm wondering because my SO has a couple of warts (skin-colored large bumps). I read in my Gardisil pamplet that genital warts are caused by HPV. So does this mean for sure that he has it, or are genital warts something different than I described? He doesn't have an "outbreak," just a couple. I don't have any, but I've slept with him w/o a condom which means I have it if he does. If 85% of adults have it, I probably do too, so I don't know why they hit me up for it at the gyno exam. I'm not getting it done. It would be different if it protected against all STD's, was a surefire way to protect against cervical cancer, and a yearly gyno exam wouldn't be required. It's $360 - what a waste. Most 20-somethings have already had sex and probably have HPV, so I don't know why they're messing with us anyway. Probably just to get our $$$$.

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Originally Posted by CurlyMireya
MIssed this post earlier for some reason. If your SO has warts, then yes he has HPV. There are several strains of the virus, some of them causing lesions, and some of them not causing lesions (those are the ones that are most concerning, as those are the ones that are linked to causing cervical cancer).
So, if you have had sex without a condom, it's likely that you also have the virus, and you may not have lesions at all, or many years from now. It's like herpes...it can remain dormant for years. The warts can appear on any part of your genitals, vulva, labia, cervix, etc. Your doctor should be checking visually, and then a PAP would find if there were any abnormalities on your cervix.
Has your SO been seen to get them removed? I imagine that they can cause more problems if he doesn't get them removed, as they can grow inside the penile urethra and can become a nuisance.
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No, I asked him about since this was the first time I noticed (they're on his scrotum, not his penis). He wasn't too concerned. He said that everyone gets them from time to time. They don't look very painful or anything - just a couple skin-colored bumps. I'm not even sure if it is HPV because we can get warts on other parts of our bodies. I would get them checked out if I had them, though.

I plan to ask my regular doctor, who I see in march, about this vaccine. I also want to do more research on my own since unlike what Aries said, I thought HPV was spread through ejaculation, not just skin-to-skin contact. What I'm wondering is, unless you sleep around, how many strains of HPV will you really be exposed to? I've only been with one person, who has had only a couple partners himself. What I don't understand is why aren't we treating men for HPV since they carry it. Why are we the only ones being shot up with drugs? I'm still very wary of it and surprised that so many women are planning on vaccinating their daughters. Cervical cancer is fairly rare, is it not? I think I'd rather take my chances at this point. I respect the opinions of those who want to get it done, but I'm just not sure if it's right for me. Plus, I read a health article that said the vaccine may not work on women who already have certain HPV strands. Sometimes I just think you've got to LIVE and not worry about it. I can't afford to spend so much time researching this when there is so little consistent info out there about this vaccine anyway.
What I don't understand is why aren't we treating men for HPV since they carry it. Why are we the only ones being shot up with drugs?
Originally Posted by CurlyMireya
I thought women could carry HPV and pass it onto men as well as men passing it on to women.

Cervial cancer is one of the biggest killers of young women, probably because it's not easy to see or feel like a breast change. Also many women don't go to the doctor for smears/paps because of fear or they think they're not at risk.

Here is some more information about it even though it has a UK slant to the news.
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I thought women could carry HPV and pass it onto men as well as men passing it on to women.

We can, but why aren't men ALSO treated? Just because they can't get cervical cancer, they can spread the virus that causes it to women. That's why I like condoms so much - it's one thing that the MAN can do to help prevent HPV, thus helping to prevent cervical cancer. Men do too little and expect women to do to much in this society.
Oh sorry I misunderstood, I thought you meant that only men could pass it on, my bad.

I think boys should be vaccinated against it too.

And yes, all protection whether against pregnancy or STDs is usually left up to the woman - and that sucks.
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I'm against it being mandatory, although I think it's probably a good thing to recommend it to all teenage girls (AND BOYS!!!) I'll probably wait on getting it for my daughter til she's in her late teens and/or sexually active. You all can test the vaccine out on your daughters to see if it's safe first.
I'm against it being mandatory, although I think it's probably a good thing to recommend it to all teenage girls (AND BOYS!!!) I'll probably wait on getting it for my daughter til she's in her late teens and/or sexually active. You all can test the vaccine out on your daughters to see if it's safe first.
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Well aren't you a sweetheart. Do you ever have brief moments of non b ! tchyness or is it a constant thing?

What's your problem, HSL? I don't want to give my daughter a vaccine that is brand new because I don't necessarily trust the FDA or pharmaceutical companies (I worked in Big Pharma for a decade...lots goes on you never hear about). If you want to blindly trust them and give it to your daughter right away, go for it. I'll wait, thanks.
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This is probably a little tmi but a wart outbreak I'm guessing means several warts, right? I'm wondering because my SO has a couple of warts (skin-colored large bumps). I read in my Gardisil pamplet that genital warts are caused by HPV. So does this mean for sure that he has it, or are genital warts something different than I described? He doesn't have an "outbreak," just a couple. I don't have any, but I've slept with him w/o a condom which means I have it if he does. If 85% of adults have it, I probably do too, so I don't know why they hit me up for it at the gyno exam. I'm not getting it done. It would be different if it protected against all STD's, was a surefire way to protect against cervical cancer, and a yearly gyno exam wouldn't be required. It's $360 - what a waste. Most 20-somethings have already had sex and probably have HPV, so I don't know why they're messing with us anyway. Probably just to get our $$$$.

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are these warts new? you've never noticed them before? to be properly diagnosed he needs to go to the doc while they are present (you prob. already knew that )...lol i listen to dr. drew...and i'm definately getting the vaccine

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What's your problem, HSL? I don't want to give my daughter a vaccine that is brand new because I don't necessarily trust the FDA or pharmaceutical companies (I worked in Big Pharma for a decade...lots goes on you never hear about). If you want to blindly trust them and give it to your daughter right away, go for it. I'll wait, thanks.
I agree with the above as I temped at a huge Pharma company and they had ME - a temp - double-check the clinical trials for a drug they were testing.
They've told us how many things were safe and they later proved not to be so? That's because they do not test and are not required to test for long-term side effects. Basically, the first round of people who get them are the testers.
I really wish people wouldn't hand their bodies over to the pharma companies and the FDAs like this.
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My health scheme won't cover the price of the vaccine and as it isn't on the NHS yet, as far as I know, I won't be getting it that way. It starts at 450 for the course of injections. As uncomfortable as paps are I'll stick with those, probably a better bet anyway.

When I have children though, years away, I'll have them vaccinated against HPV.
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No, I asked him about since this was the first time I noticed (they're on his scrotum, not his penis). He wasn't too concerned. He said that everyone gets them from time to time. They don't look very painful or anything - just a couple skin-colored bumps. I'm not even sure if it is HPV because we can get warts on other parts of our bodies. I would get them checked out if I had them, though.
Originally Posted by CurlyMireya
HPV is the virus that causes all warts. Different strains of the virus show up as warts on different parts of the body. If anyone has ever had warts on any parts of the body, they have/had HPV. The virus causes accelerated growth of skin cells (since it's a skin virus), which causes the warts (mini tumors). Certain strains of HPV present themselves as warts on the genital area, such as the penis, scrotum, the vulva, even on the the inner thighs. Some strains of HPV do not cause genital warts and those are the strains that people should be concerned about because those are the ones that are related to cervical cancer.
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No, I asked him about since this was the first time I noticed (they're on his scrotum, not his penis). He wasn't too concerned. He said that everyone gets them from time to time. They don't look very painful or anything - just a couple skin-colored bumps. I'm not even sure if it is HPV because we can get warts on other parts of our bodies. I would get them checked out if I had them, though.
Originally Posted by CurlyMireya
HPV is the virus that causes all warts. Different strains of the virus show up as warts on different parts of the body. If anyone has ever had warts on any parts of the body, they have/had HPV. The virus causes accelerated growth of skin cells (since it's a skin virus), which causes the warts (mini tumors). Certain strains of HPV present themselves as warts on the genital area, such as the penis, scrotum, the vulva, even on the the inner thighs. Some strains of HPV do not cause genital warts and those are the strains that people should be concerned about because those are the ones that are related to cervical cancer.
Originally Posted by Aries_jb
OK, then they may have been caused by a harmless strain of HPV. Children get warts on their hands and I doubt they're caused by the kind of HPV that causes cancer. I thought that it was a sign of viral illness, like mono, but I'm obviously ignorant. What I'm dying to find out, since HPV is obviously very widespread and affects children, which strains cause an immunity to the vaccine? Because I've read that if you have certain strands (but they're not saying which ones), the vaccine is ineffective for you, anyway, so there's no point in getting it. But how would you know? You're just supposed to get it and hope for the best? I'm completely confused. I've read in some places how easily HPV is spread, but in others, that HPV is primarily spread by penile/vaginal contact, rarely spread by oral sex or sexual touching. I've read the best ways to protect yourself against it are to avoid risky sexual behaviors/sleeping with multiple partners and wearing condoms. But if it's spread as easily as touching someone and young children already have strains of it - how do you protect against it at all? I'm assuming these strains children get are the harmless ones and it won't matter if you have them before getting the vaccine. SInce you can get it so easily, having slept with just one person (who has had past sexual partnrs), I could have a whole lot of strains, including those that cause cancer. But I don't KNOW that, and don't have any way of finding out since HPV hasn't come up in my gyno screenings and can be dormant for years. Yeap, totally confused and so far all I'm getting is conflicting information - I have to remind myself that I can't trust anything I read on the internet anyway, but now I'm doubting if even doctors and medical professionals can answer questions about this.
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I'm against it being mandatory, although I think it's probably a good thing to recommend it to all teenage girls (AND BOYS!!!) I'll probably wait on getting it for my daughter til she's in her late teens and/or sexually active. You all can test the vaccine out on your daughters to see if it's safe first.
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I think she's being honest. I wouldn't give it to my kid until I saw its lifesaving properties in action. Cancer rates have to go down until I can call it a miracle drug. How do we know if in a few months, they'll be saying, "Whoops, it's not as effective as we thought - you'll need a follow-up vaccine now, or uh, oh there's a new strain of HPV that it doesn't protect against." What if children who get this vaccine at a young age grow up and give birth to children with birth defects? I may sound paranoid, but if I'm going to spend $360 for a new vaccine that only protects against a certain type of cancer (and only 70% of those cases), I want to know more information than what I'm being handed in a Gardisil pamphlet. I'm not just talking about my case, since it's probably too late for me anyway, but about my future children. More information should be available by then, but it's a shame we have to test it out on all of these unsuspecting young girls.
I have to remind myself that I can't trust anything I read on the internet anyway
Originally Posted by CurlyMireya
The Medline site is trustworthy. It's from the National Institute of Health, and compiles articles on basic health topics and medications for use by both doctors and the general public.

I don't know if this is exactly what you were looking for, but here are its articles on (from top to bottom) HPV, precancerous cervical changes, and cervical cancer:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/000886.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001491.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/000893.htm

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