President Obama supports same sex marriage

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I hate to say it but I thought the same exact thing. I mean I like to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe after discussions with family and friends..his mind had changed.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I can't imagine he was against gay marriage to begin with. He just does what's politically expedient. And since the GOP has been taken over by the far right, I can accept political expedience if it keeps the extremists in check.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Well imagine it..

I always got the impression that he thought marriage was between a man and a woman because of his religious beliefs.. he was always for civil unions for gays though... I distinctly remember him saying as much as well as saying some years back that he needed to do more "research" on the issue...

So for all intents and purposes...he certainly wasn't absolutely for it...

Barack Obama - Gay Marriage
I hate to say it but I thought the same exact thing. I mean I like to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe after discussions with family and friends..his mind had changed.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I can't imagine he was against gay marriage to begin with. He just does what's politically expedient. And since the GOP has been taken over by the far right, I can accept political expedience if it keeps the extremists in check.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Well imagine it..

I always got the impression that he thought marriage was between a man and a woman because of his religious beliefs.. he was always for civil unions for gays though... I distinctly remember him saying as much as well as saying some years back that he needed to do more "research" on the issue...

So for all intents and purposes...he certainly wasn't absolutely for it...

Barack Obama - Gay Marriage
Originally Posted by *Marah*


Nope, he was definitely for it. That link goes to 2004... by that time he was considering running for president and at that time presidents of the U.S. just didn't go around supporting gay marriage. He had to say he was against it because that's what was expected of him at the time. So, I guess he basically lied...

I think they made that little back story up about it being a part of his religious beliefs because they wanted to distance him away from any Islamic ties that he had. Saying he was against sam sex marriage because of his deep belief in Christianity was enough to help him in the "looking like a good 'ole Christian" department (as well as some other things they did (I remember them showing him and his family at church and all that).

Anyway...in 1996, he said he was in support of it.
Obama Once Supported Same-Sex Marriage 'Unequivocally'

From the article:
President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions".
I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year
Originally Posted by sleepymeko
I agree. My grandma and her friends are socially conservative but leaning toward Obama because they're scared of losing their Medicare. Most of them are Catholics and religious so are paying attention there. They could go either way. I don't know about other religions but the Church is getting more involved in politics and I know something like this is going to influence voters who are made to feel guilty about voting for Obama already.
I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year
Originally Posted by sleepymeko
I agree. My grandma and her friends are socially conservative but leaning toward Obama because they're scared of losing their Medicare. Most of them are Catholics and religious so are paying attention there. They could go either way. I don't know about other religions but the Church is getting more involved in politics and I know something like this is going to influence voters who are made to feel guilty about voting for Obama already.
Originally Posted by NorahBugg
Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but I see just as many people in their 20's against gay marriage as older people against it. I also come from a fairly conservative city, and went to Catholic schools all my life, so that could be part of it.
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I knew several people who were on the fence in 2004 and went with Bush just because of the gay marriage issue.
Originally Posted by NorahBugg
Hahahaha "More than anything else, I care about keeping gay people from marrying" What the christ...

Anyway I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign has some terrific strategists behind it. Obama's just not going after the people who care that much about banning gay marriage.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
You wouldn't believe how many people are Democrats and socially conservative especially in rural areas of the midwest and south. They usually vote Democratic but sometimes one or two issues push them over. Some of the people I mentioned probably wouldn't have voted for Kerry or at all but the gay marriage issue was very hot then and got them out to vote. I don't think it will be quite the same this time with the economy being such a driving factor.

People usually vote with their pocketbooks, but you can't count out religion. Here in the midwest, the evangelical churches are popping up everywhere. I've been to one and I'm sure these pastors won't think twice about using political influence. Our county is one that can go either way and always attracts tons of campaign attention during election season because the election almost always goes the way the county goes.

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I think the whole acceptance of gay marriage would do good for the youth, since I personally believe and from my own personal experience, that the majority of us are in support of gay marriage. But I think it'll harm older and more conservative generations who were on the fence.

Personally, I am happy that he supports gay marriage, but I'm not sure how this will work for him this year
Originally Posted by sleepymeko
I agree. My grandma and her friends are socially conservative but leaning toward Obama because they're scared of losing their Medicare. Most of them are Catholics and religious so are paying attention there. They could go either way. I don't know about other religions but the Church is getting more involved in politics and I know something like this is going to influence voters who are made to feel guilty about voting for Obama already.
Originally Posted by NorahBugg
Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but I see just as many people in their 20's against gay marriage as older people against it. I also come from a fairly conservative city, and went to Catholic schools all my life, so that could be part of it.
Originally Posted by emthefantastical
Me, too. I've noticed when checking up on old friends from Catholic school on Facebook that many of the ones who stayed with the faith also proudly display that they're conservatives. Those that I know or suspect are no longer Catholic appear to be liberal or at least they have down that they support liberal issues.

Most ppl I went to school with left this area. I'd say there are more than not who have moved to more liberal areas and support liberal values. Actually even among my Republican friends here, a good portion of them support gay marriage. I do think this generation in general is more liberal at least compared to 40 somethings and above. I don't really know about the gen slightly under me, the late teens and early 20's.
While stating his support for same-sex marriage will likely influence his campaign (positively is my guess), and is a great thing for a president to affirm, what's he going to do about making it happen? Marriage laws are determined at the state level. He did determine Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act (said marriage was between a man and a woman) unconstitutional in 2011, which is good. But how is he going to help make the legality of same-sex marriage a reality?

So while I think it's a positive thing that he finally publicly stated his support of gay marriage, I don't really care what he or any president believes in their heart. I care what they actually DO. Everyone makes excuses for why presidents "can't" stand up and do something about what they really believe in, (it will hurt their reelection, Republicans won't let them, they have to wait til their 2nd term, etc.) but I think that lets them off way too easy. I'm tired of politics coming before representing the people and doing what's right. IMO our electoral system is really disgusting.
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From a purely political perspective, I don't like this at all. There is no way this isn't going to have negative repercussions, both for gay equality and for the reelection campaign. What the hell was he thinking?
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Last edited by legends; 05-09-2012 at 08:53 PM.
Some people might be surprised how many older voters are not against gay marriage. Sometimes with age comes more of a live and let live outlook.

Same goes for the legalization of marijuana laws.

Many of us older people who came of age in the 60s or 70s have always had a more liberal mindset.
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Some people might be surprised how many older voters are not against gay marriage. Sometimes with age comes more of a live and let live outlook.

Same goes for the legalization of marijuana laws.

Many of us older people who came of age in the 60s or 70s have always had a more liberal mindset.
Originally Posted by roseannadana
I agree. I see more anti gay rhetoric in the younger crowd.


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Some people might be surprised how many older voters are not against gay marriage. Sometimes with age comes more of a live and let live outlook.

Same goes for the legalization of marijuana laws.

Many of us older people who came of age in the 60s or 70s have always had a more liberal mindset.
Originally Posted by roseannadana
I agree. I see more anti gay rhetoric in the younger crowd.


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Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Really? I guess living in liberal Ca we just don't get that. All of my friends here, even conservatives, are for gay marriage. I find more religious people in there 40's and 50's to be against it.

At least where I'm at and I live in a conservative city by CA standards.

As far as Obama finally saying he supports gay marriage I see it as a political move. I think a lot of people expected more from his presidency and he's trying to swing the vote.

Whatever reason he has I'm happy about it. Everyone deserves the rights of a married couple if that's the route they choose regardless of sexual orientation.


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I'm sort of annoyed 'cause I'm kind of like, thanks, Barry, glad you finally decided to come to the party, but you're a little late ...? Where's he been on this the last four years?

I'm sorry, I just can't get it up to celebrate when someone deigns to start openly supporting my right to marry whomever I fall in love with, even when that person is the President. It disgusts me that this conversation even needs to be had.
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I don't think believing that (God ordained) marriage is between a man and a woman and believing that secular government should have equal laws and rights for all of its citizens is hypocritical or "political" in the sense of pandering. My personal religious beliefs should not impact my ability to do what's fair, equitable, and constitutional for others who don't share those beliefs. I believe that's Obama's stance. As he's not an ordinary citizen like me , it makes sense (to me) why he would not take this on as his campaign agenda in a first term - taking on universal healthcare, the financial crisis, and the war impacted most if not all Americans, while taking on rights for GLBT citizens would not have (even though some on both sides say it does).

Also, he had the whole being Black thing to deal with - I'm not sure even Black voters, especially all of the many conservative Black voters, would have been able to cast aside their opposition of gay marriage to vote for him in a first term. I believe Hilary would have won if he'd done that. Political aspirations aside, most good leaders' priorities would also be working on more global, universal issues full steam, and chipping away at other important but less global concerns, such as same sex marriage, over time - Obama has done this.

I don't know if it was wise for him to say this at this time, but I think it's honorable. It is a calculated risk I'm sure, with many great political minds behind the how if not the what/why, but now it's officially on the agenda, and he won't have to listen to opposing folks say he pulled a bait and switch if he had waited until after the elections to announce this. I'm not sure what he will accomplish, but so far his track record is pretty good for focusing on and meeting his campaign goals, even if the solutions don't appease everyone. Change takes time - the Civil Rights Act and all we include today as related took 8 years and 3 additional tries. I don't see any less bipartisanship now than then, and perhaps more with Obama in office. I think he's doing a pretty decent job with all he's facing, and I was a Hilary supporter.
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I still dont know why the govtment has a right to be in people's personally business such as marraige to begin with.

But I think this showed obama had some cajones. I was beginning to wonder.
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From a purely political perspective, I don't like this at all. There is no way this isn't going to have negative repercussions, both for gay equality and for the reelection campaign. What the hell was he thinking?
Originally Posted by legends
I sort of agree. And I believe he was always for gay marriage, it was so obvious when he said he thought marriage should be between a man and a woman, sounded like a straight out uncomfortable lie. The man is smart, that's why he won. He played his cards right, and I also wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't really Christian. He seems more spiritual or possibly atheist. I'm not really sure what he is doing with this move...we all knew he supported it..but I trust he knows what he is doing.
I'm sort of annoyed 'cause I'm kind of like, thanks, Barry, glad you finally decided to come to the party, but you're a little late ...? Where's he been on this the last four years?

I'm sorry, I just can't get it up to celebrate when someone deigns to start openly supporting my right to marry whomever I fall in love with, even when that person is the President. It disgusts me that this conversation even needs to be had.
Originally Posted by amandamarie
There isn't much he could do on it even if it was a priority for him because he has Congress and state governments to deal with AND he has to win re-election. I doubt in my lifetime, Florida or Ohio pass gay marriage if it remains a state issue. He has win them to be re-elected which is why I wish he would've waited. I don't think this issue alone is a dealbreaker, but it gives more ammo to Republicans to paint Obama as too left-wing for the people or whatever.

Sometimes, I feel like Obama doesn't want to win. He seems so downtrodden, it worries me. I think he's done a lot or tried to do a lot with the Congress he has to work with.

Last edited by NorahBugg; 05-10-2012 at 11:36 AM. Reason: typo
Lol, Obama's pulling this out just in time for election season.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
I think it'll hurt him more than help him, at least here in uber-religious-conservative-land (in which I live in general disharmony with the crowd). It'll be his re-election campaign's death knell.
Originally Posted by PartyHair
Agree (unfortunately).
I'm sort of annoyed 'cause I'm kind of like, thanks, Barry, glad you finally decided to come to the party, but you're a little late ...? Where's he been on this the last four years?

I'm sorry, I just can't get it up to celebrate when someone deigns to start openly supporting my right to marry whomever I fall in love with, even when that person is the President. It disgusts me that this conversation even needs to be had.
Originally Posted by amandamarie
There isn't much he could do on it even if it was a priority for him because he has Congress and state governments to deal with AND he has to win re-election. I doubt in my lifetime, Florida or Ohio pass gay marriage if it remains a state issue. He has win them to be re-elected which is why I wish he would've waited. I don't think this issue alone is a dealbreaker, but it gives more ammo to Republicans to paint Obama as too left-wing for the people or whatever.

Sometimes, I feel like Obama doesn't want to win. He seems so downtrodden, it worries me. I think he's done a lot or tried to do a lot with the Congress he has to work with.
Originally Posted by NorahBugg
I don't think the effect on his campaign is going to be what you think it is, partially because I think the speed at which marriage equality is happening in this country is fairly rapid and at this point inevitable, and partially because I have too much/little (depending on how you look at it) faith in him making decisions based on well-researched political expediency to think he would have done it without the okay of his political advisers. I'm sure this was carefully planned. He's coming down on the right side of history; I used to think I'd be lucky to be able to legally marry a woman in my lifetime, and now I feel relatively certain that I'll be able to in most states by the time I'm ready to get married in five or ten years or so.

That said, politically expedient or not, whether he'd be able to make a difference or not, I think NOT supporting same-sex marriage is failing to stand up for the side of right, and I have serious concerns about the moral integrity of a president who would throw the entire LGBT community under the bus for the sake of his own reelection campaign, or one who didn't believe I should be allowed to get married to whomever I want until yesterday.

Naturally I know perfectly well that expecting more of a president is unrealistic, but I figure that's no reason to lower my expectations.
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