Another child killed for being black. - Page 2

curlyarca · 06-04-2012, 05:57 PM

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People who think like you are the reason there are so many underprivledged and suffering blacks in our country today. You take away their hope and set them up for lives of perpetual.demeaning victimhood...sucking up the "benefits" from the patronizing liberal legislators. Truth.

1. recognizing social inequalities doesn't make one a victim. In case you did not know, I'm black, and I'm doing just fine, even with this knowledge.

2. aren't you in a constant state of victim-hood?.

Smh

mrspoppers · 06-04-2012, 06:03 PM

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I have to be honest.. even as a person of color I just feel like suggesting with no real evidence that this man killed this boy because he's black was off putting to me as well when I read this thread. And I really didn't see anything in the link to indicate the man shot the boy simply because he was black.

Is there some confession or clear evidence that proves he shot the boy because he was black ?

There's more information in the second article. I suppose the kid could have been shot by the old man because he was new in the neighborhood and the man just hates kids.

mrspoppers · 06-04-2012, 06:07 PM

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White people are robbed, severely beaten and killed every day by blacks just because they're white. Black people are killed every day by other blacks. Both of these have a MUCH higher rate of incidence than whites killing blacks ALLEGEDLY because they were black (ie Zimmerman/Martin). The latter is extraordinarily rare.

You can't really get angry with what I said, because it is 100% true. I don't feel comfortable with the perpetuation of the idea that there are a bunch white skinned "black hunters" out there. It is a very dangerous manipulative tool used by certain politicians these days to garner votes and self-aggrandize and it is a sin.

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Eilonwy · 06-04-2012, 06:09 PM

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lol

legends · 06-04-2012, 06:11 PM

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White people are robbed, severely beaten and killed every day by blacks just because they're white. Black people are killed every day by other blacks. Both of these have a MUCH higher rate of incidence than whites killing blacks ALLEGEDLY because they were black (ie Zimmerman/Martin). The latter is extraordinarily rare.

You can't really get angry with what I said, because it is 100% true. I don't feel comfortable with the perpetuation of the idea that there are a bunch white skinned "black hunters" out there. It is a very dangerous manipulative tool used by certain politicians these days to garner votes and self-aggrandize and it is a sin.

I'm going to pretend that your ramblings are not insane for a minute and reply to this as if it were a legitimate argument. (BTW, you do understand that there's a difference between the number of times that things occur and the rates in which they occur, right? Oh, never mind, never mind! I said I was going to pretend that your arguments are sound!)

Okay, so you're right, and black-on-white-crime as well as black-on-black crime occur at a much greater RATE than white-on-black crime. Do you know that the justice system's responses to those crimes are completely different? Look at Texas, for example. The state with the biggest death penalty fetish in the world has yet to manage to execute a white person who murdered a black person. Plenty of black murderers with victims of all races have been executed; white murderers with white victims have been executed. But not a single white murderer with a black victim has been executed in Texas. And the nationwide statistics on the death penalty are pretty glaring as well.

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Over 75% of the murder victims in cases
resulting in an execution were white, even
though nationally only 50% of murder victims
generally are white.

And that's the death penalty. Imagine what the numbers are for overall indictments and convictions. THAT was the issue with Zimmerman, which got derailed by people desperate to prove that race wasn't a factor in Zimmerman's actions. Forget Zimmerman's motivations...an unarmed minor who was committing no crime was shot to death, and the man who confessed to shooting him wasn't immediately arrested. The same thing would not have happened if the either the victim were white or the murderer were black. Hell, a women was arrested, charged, convicted, and sentences to 20 years for firing a warning shot to get her abusive husband to back off. Where did this happen? In Florida. What was the race of this "criminal?" Why don't you try to guess? Stand Your Ground my ass.

I know this won't make a bit of difference to you, but what the hell, I have time to kill tonight. Enjoy the mental gymnastics.

Guide30 · 06-04-2012, 06:21 PM

Slinky1 - watch yourself! Stop attacking people. This is your first warning.

*Marah* · 06-04-2012, 06:22 PM

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I have to be honest.. even as a person of color I just feel like suggesting with no real evidence that this man killed this boy because he's black was off putting to me as well when I read this thread. And I really didn't see anything in the link to indicate the man shot the boy simply because he was black.

Is there some confession or clear evidence that proves he shot the boy because he was black ?

I think if the child was white, he would not have shot him. I think there is a lesser value on blacks, therefore he was quicker on the draw.

I agree that there is less value on the lives of blacks in general. But I just can't stretch that to mean that in this situation that this particular man shot this particular kid simply because he was black..and that he wouldn't if the kid was white.

I just don't have enough to go on to suggest it. And I certainly wouldn't like it if someone white (or other) was suggesting that a black person committed a crime simply because they are black or that a black person killed a white simply because they are white with no evidence..besides a gut feeling as if that's just what black folks do.

But I certainly understand your frustration and sentiments.

yossarian · 06-04-2012, 06:23 PM

As I was reading through this thread, I was preparing to post ... exactly this (post #25 from legends). Thank you - I could not have done the topic justice (pun intended) to the same degree you did.

If anyone is really interested, try checking out the Baldus study and/or McCleskey v. Kemp, the Supreme Court case that said 1) yes, the death penalty is applied in a blatantly discriminatory manner, but 2) too bad, life's a *****.

LadyV69 · 06-04-2012, 06:24 PM

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Really sad. I have to wonder if he'll even be charged at his age.

He's already been charged and arrested. Whether the case will actually go to trial given his race and age is another story.

Springcurl · 06-04-2012, 06:27 PM

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Really sad. I have to wonder if he'll even be charged at his age.

He's already been charged and arrested. Whether the case will actually go to trial given his race and age is another story.

And that's actually what I meant. heh

*Marah* · 06-04-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mrspoppers

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Originally Posted by *Marah*

I have to be honest.. even as a person of color I just feel like suggesting with no real evidence that this man killed this boy because he's black was off putting to me as well when I read this thread. And I really didn't see anything in the link to indicate the man shot the boy simply because he was black.

Is there some confession or clear evidence that proves he shot the boy because he was black ?

There's more information in the second article. I suppose the kid could have been shot by the old man because he was new in the neighborhood and the man just hates kids.

Or he could have shot the kid because he was frustrated with breaks in at his residence and thought the kid was responsible like the video suggests.. who knows ? Doesn't mean he wouldn't have shot a white kid though.

LadyV69 · 06-04-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by *Marah*

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Originally Posted by Trenell

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Originally Posted by *Marah*

I have to be honest.. even as a person of color I just feel like suggesting with no real evidence that this man killed this boy because he's black was off putting to me as well when I read this thread. And I really didn't see anything in the link to indicate the man shot the boy simply because he was black.

Is there some confession or clear evidence that proves he shot the boy because he was black ?

I think if the child was white, he would not have shot him. I think there is a lesser value on blacks, therefore he was quicker on the draw.

I agree that there is less value on the lives of blacks in general. But I just can't stretch that to mean that in this situation that this particular man shot this particular kid simply because he was black..and that he wouldn't if the kid was white.

I just don't have enough to go on to suggest it. And I certainly wouldn't like it if someone white (or other) was suggesting that a black person committed a crime simply because they are black or that a black person killed a white simply because they are white with no evidence..besides a gut feeling as if that's just what black folks do.

But I certainly understand your frustration and sentiments.

No, the story doesn't state that this man killed this boy because of his race in a direct manner. But given how little black life is valued, it's not hard for me to add 2+2. I wish it were otherwise, really I do. But I can't ignore history.

MojoDojo · 06-04-2012, 06:39 PM

It's tragic. And senseless.

Based on my preliminary research, the boy was in school at the time of the break-ins and had only been there for a month, one source stated that the old man had called 911 about break-ins 15 times - in 5 years. The math doesn't add up there.

And regardless of the boys innocence or guilt (based on the prelim research he sounds innocent to me), they're THINGS. And I believe a life is worth more than things.

So, again, it's tragic that something like this had to happen, and that it had to happen again.

*Marah* · 06-04-2012, 06:42 PM

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I think if the child was white, he would not have shot him. I think there is a lesser value on blacks, therefore he was quicker on the draw.

I agree that there is less value on the lives of blacks in general. But I just can't stretch that to mean that in this situation that this particular man shot this particular kid simply because he was black..and that he wouldn't if the kid was white.

I just don't have enough to go on to suggest it. And I certainly wouldn't like it if someone white (or other) was suggesting that a black person committed a crime simply because they are black or that a black person killed a white simply because they are white with no evidence..besides a gut feeling as if that's just what black folks do.

But I certainly understand your frustration and sentiments.

No, the story doesn't state that this man killed this boy because of his race in a direct manner. But given how little black life is valued, it's not hard for me to add 2+2. I wish it were otherwise, really I do. But I can't ignore history.

Like I said I do get the sentiment. But for me what you are conveying... it's just too similiar as suggesting that every time a white person does something and a black is involved then it's simply because the white person is a racist. There is tons of bad history between blacks and whites in this country.. that doesn't automatically implicate every white person as guilty of being racist. So I'm not ready to make that leap because I don't like it when white folks and others do it to people of color. Frankly, it's beyond insulting.

But as a person of color..yes I realize certain white folks can be a trip when it comes to race.. but so can certain black folks and anyone else.

*Marah* · 06-04-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MojoDojo

It's tragic. And senseless.

Based on my preliminary research, the boy was in school at the time of the break-ins and had only been there for a month, one source stated that the old man had called 911 about break-ins 15 times - in 5 years. The math doesn't add up there.

And regardless of the boys innocence or guilt (based on the prelim research he sounds innocent to me), they're THINGS. And I believe a life is worth more than things.

So, again, it's tragic that something like this had to happen, and that it had to happen again.

For me this is the major point.. and I agree. I just don't see this as a race issue...yet.

LadyV69 · 06-04-2012, 06:57 PM

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I agree that there is less value on the lives of blacks in general. But I just can't stretch that to mean that in this situation that this particular man shot this particular kid simply because he was black..and that he wouldn't if the kid was white.

I just don't have enough to go on to suggest it. And I certainly wouldn't like it if someone white (or other) was suggesting that a black person committed a crime simply because they are black or that a black person killed a white simply because they are white with no evidence..besides a gut feeling as if that's just what black folks do.

But I certainly understand your frustration and sentiments.

No, the story doesn't state that this man killed this boy because of his race in a direct manner. But given how little black life is valued, it's not hard for me to add 2+2. I wish it were otherwise, really I do. But I can't ignore history.

Like I said I do get the sentiment. But for me what you are conveying... it's just too similiar as suggesting that every time a white person does something and a black is involved then it's simply because the white person is a racist. There is tons of bad history between blacks and whites in this country.. that doesn't automatically implicate every white person as guilty of being racist. So I'm not ready to make that leap because I don't like it when white folks and others do it to people of color. Frankly, it's beyond insulting.

But as a person of color..yes I realize certain white folks can be a trip when it comes to race.. but so can certain black folks and anyone else.

I'll agree that whites have no monopoly on prejudice and racism. But I can't help but make that leap in this case because this man had complained to the police about break-ins over 10 times within a span of several years. Not much was done. Then he confronts the nearest black kid about them and shoots him without provocation. It's very easy for me to presume that the man thought that the kid was a criminal, well because, aren't all black males up to no good? ::sarcasm:: And since the police didn't do anything about the previous break-ins, the guy was probably fed up and decided to take the law into his own hands. The races of the people involved complicate the issue given our society's history with the matter. Would that guy have shot a white kid? I don't think he'd be as likely to, sorry.

*Marah* · 06-04-2012, 07:05 PM

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No, the story doesn't state that this man killed this boy because of his race in a direct manner. But given how little black life is valued, it's not hard for me to add 2+2. I wish it were otherwise, really I do. But I can't ignore history.

Like I said I do get the sentiment. But for me what you are conveying... it's just too similiar as suggesting that every time a white person does something and a black is involved then it's simply because the white person is a racist. There is tons of bad history between blacks and whites in this country.. that doesn't automatically implicate every white person as guilty of being racist. So I'm not ready to make that leap because I don't like it when white folks and others do it to people of color. Frankly, it's beyond insulting.

But as a person of color..yes I realize certain white folks can be a trip when it comes to race.. but so can certain black folks and anyone else.

I'll agree that whites have no monopoly on prejudice and racism. But I can't help but make that leap in this case because this man had complained to the police about break-ins over 10 times within a span of several years. Not much was done. Then he confronts the nearest black kid about them and shoots him without provocation. It's very easy for me to presume that the man thought that the kid was a criminal, well because, aren't all black males up to no good? ::sarcasm:: And since the police didn't do anything about the previous break-ins, the guy was probably fed up and decided to take the law into his own hands. The races of the people involved complicate the issue given our society's history with the matter. Would that guy have shot a white kid? I don't think he'd be as likely to, sorry.

LadyV,
I have no issue with you (or anyone else) feeling the way that you do personally. I get it, I understand it, I validate it. What I'm saying is that I don't make that leap from jump. I can't stand it when it's done to black folks so if I have the nerve to get bent when white folks and others do it to the people I most look like.. then I don't feel it's appropriate for me to do it to them without knowing more of the story that includes something that indicates TO ME that this was a matter of racism.

claudine19 · 06-04-2012, 07:37 PM

Marah ---- words I never thought I'd write: I agree with you on all points.

I hope that whatever it turns out to be, justice is fairly served in this and all cases. Skin color should not be a determinant of guilt or innocence: actions should. That they aren't is our country's greatest failing (imo).

*Marah* · 06-04-2012, 07:42 PM

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Marah ---- words I never thought I'd write: I agree with you on all points.

I hope that whatever it turns out to be, justice is fairly served in this and all cases. Skin color should not be a determinant of guilt or innocence: actions should. That they aren't is our country's greatest failing (imo).

To the bold: What fresh hell is this ?

LOL!

To the unbold: Point well made.

claudine19 · 06-04-2012, 07:53 PM

Go figure.

I surely never saw it coming.