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Old 06-04-2012, 07:59 PM   #41
 
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White people are robbed, severely beaten and killed every day by blacks just because they're white. Black people are killed every day by other blacks. Both of these have a MUCH higher rate of incidence than whites killing blacks ALLEGEDLY because they were black (ie Zimmerman/Martin). The latter is extraordinarily rare.

You can't really get angry with what I said, because it is 100% true. I don't feel comfortable with the perpetuation of the idea that there are a bunch white skinned "black hunters" out there. It is a very dangerous manipulative tool used by certain politicians these days to garner votes and self-aggrandize and it is a sin.
I'm going to pretend that your ramblings are not insane for a minute and reply to this as if it were a legitimate argument. (BTW, you do understand that there's a difference between the number of times that things occur and the rates in which they occur, right? Oh, never mind, never mind! I said I was going to pretend that your arguments are sound!)

Okay, so you're right, and black-on-white-crime as well as black-on-black crime occur at a much greater RATE than white-on-black crime. Do you know that the justice system's responses to those crimes are completely different? Look at Texas, for example. The state with the biggest death penalty fetish in the world has yet to manage to execute a white person who murdered a black person. Plenty of black murderers with victims of all races have been executed; white murderers with white victims have been executed. But not a single white murderer with a black victim has been executed in Texas. And the nationwide statistics on the death penalty are pretty glaring as well.

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And that's the death penalty. Imagine what the numbers are for overall indictments and convictions. THAT was the issue with Zimmerman, which got derailed by people desperate to prove that race wasn't a factor in Zimmerman's actions. Forget Zimmerman's motivations...an unarmed minor who was committing no crime was shot to death, and the man who confessed to shooting him wasn't immediately arrested. The same thing would not have happened if the either the victim were white or the murderer were black. Hell, a women was arrested, charged, convicted, and sentences to 20 years for firing a warning shot to get her abusive husband to back off. Where did this happen? In Florida. What was the race of this "criminal?" Why don't you try to guess? Stand Your Ground my ass.

I know this won't make a bit of difference to you, but what the hell, I have time to kill tonight. Enjoy the mental gymnastics.
I agree with all of this, except where you stated that not a single white murderer of a black person has been executed in Texas.

Russell Brewer, one of the men who killed James Byrd in Jasper, Texas, was executed recently. Byrd was black and his 3 killers were white. They chained him to a pickup truck and dragged him until his head was severed from his body.

I'm not sure why only Brewer was executed, though...the other two men should be executed as well, IMO.
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White people are robbed, severely beaten and killed every day by blacks just because they're white.
Totally forgot I was supposed to be doing this. If anyone needs me, I will be out attacking a white person because they are white.
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I agree that there is less value on the lives of blacks in general. But I just can't stretch that to mean that in this situation that this particular man shot this particular kid simply because he was black..and that he wouldn't if the kid was white.

I just don't have enough to go on to suggest it. And I certainly wouldn't like it if someone white (or other) was suggesting that a black person committed a crime simply because they are black or that a black person killed a white simply because they are white with no evidence..besides a gut feeling as if that's just what black folks do.

But I certainly understand your frustration and sentiments.
No, the story doesn't state that this man killed this boy because of his race in a direct manner. But given how little black life is valued, it's not hard for me to add 2+2. I wish it were otherwise, really I do. But I can't ignore history.
Like I said I do get the sentiment. But for me what you are conveying... it's just too similiar as suggesting that every time a white person does something and a black is involved then it's simply because the white person is a racist. There is tons of bad history between blacks and whites in this country.. that doesn't automatically implicate every white person as guilty of being racist. So I'm not ready to make that leap because I don't like it when white folks and others do it to people of color. Frankly, it's beyond insulting.

But as a person of color..yes I realize certain white folks can be a trip when it comes to race.. but so can certain black folks and anyone else.
Yep, Marah...I have to agree with you. But the OP's diatribe on "how many blacks kill whites" was just annoying and irrelevant. Plus, it was said to incite a certain response, and it did. "Sit down and BE QUIET" (edited for mods) works for me. So yeah, with all that, they still need to go somewhere and sit down. Cuz you best believe the scales of justice do not weigh in our favor.

I remember an instance when an elderly man shot and killed a 15 year old boy (both black), because the boy kept playing on his lawn, after repeated requests to stop. EVERYBODY speculated "why" it happened. But I know kids OFTEN like to taunt elderly people (and they often develop an attitude of contempt from their parents, and older siblings), and once an elderly neighbor gets the "crazy ole' man/woman" label, they're often the object of intense ridicule/disrespect.

I've seen some young people mouth off at elderly people, and some of them ain't havin' it. Some grow weary with life, and they have other issues going on - declining health, family desertion, etc. and they lash out, and sometimes somebody ends up dead. That's unfortunate, but that's life...and death. So, there are lessons to be learned, all around. Depending on where this elderly man lives (the racial makeup of the neighborhood), he may have been doing some very simple math. Some whites live in predominately black neighborhoods (because they're too poor or too old to escape), so if there are break-ins in the area, it's quite logical to assume somebody black is guilty...and that's usually the case. That's just the truth. Now, that doesn't mean you just go randomly shootin' folks.

Now, I'm not saying this is the case, in this case...because I wasn't there, and I don't know the history (if there is history). I'll wait to hear more, before I jump to a "He killed him cuz he was black!" conclusion.
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Scrills: while you're at it, please steal that Scooter I'm giving you. It's in the garage in the back.

If you need to borrow a flashlight while you're robbing me, let me know: I have two. I can lend you the LED one for a while if you'd like.
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I'm not one to think every white person that comments a crime again a black person they did it b/c of race. BUT, when it is a incidence of that the black person was unarmed and assumed a criminal.....
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White people are robbed, severely beaten and killed every day by blacks just because they're white.
Totally forgot I was supposed to be doing this. If anyone needs me, I will be out attacking a white person because they are white.
Well, white is okay because it is after Memorial Day.
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Oh, Speckla.

You're sleep-posting again, aren't you?
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This is sad!

But it does make you wonder why the old man singled out this kid. He had just moved in! And why would he confront the boy while carrying a gun? IMO he was planning on killing him. But you have to wonder, why this boy?
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I'm sorry but I just can't imagine this happening if the boy was white. There's no way I can think this is not a race thing until proven otherwise.
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Sometimes, the elderly can get paranoid and fearful about things that are going on around them. One of the articles mentioned that he has cancer. When an elderly person acts out like this, I always wonder if they have family nearby that were aware of how agitated their father or grandfather had become.

Anyway, health issues can cause people to behave irrationally, as can certain medications.

If you google "man shoots neighbor", it is shocking how often neighbor turns against neighbor over the most ridiculous things, mostly dogs, it seems!
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Marah ---- words I never thought I'd write: I agree with you on all points.

I hope that whatever it turns out to be, justice is fairly served in this and all cases. Skin color should not be a determinant of guilt or innocence: actions should. That they aren't is our country's greatest failing (imo).
I've stumbled upon the twilight zone. Ninjadog er claudine19 and Marah agreeing. Who'd a thunk it?
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I guess anything's possible.......or nearly!
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IThere's no way I can think this is not a race thing until proven otherwise.
Yeah, same here. And even if it turns out that race wasn't a primary factor, there's no way it wasn't some kind of factor, even if it wasn't consciously going through the shooter's mind.
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Marah ---- words I never thought I'd write: I agree with you on all points.

I hope that whatever it turns out to be, justice is fairly served in this and all cases. Skin color should not be a determinant of guilt or innocence: actions should. That they aren't is our country's greatest failing (imo).
I've stumbled upon the twilight zone. Ninjadog er claudine19 and Marah agreeing. Who'd a thunk it?
I personally don't see the big deal. I don't think everything she's ever said is absolute trash..I've never said that nor implied it. We simply do not care for one another for various reasons. I'm okay with that fact. Not everyone is going to like everyone.

I think she and I agree on some things just like any other people that just don't care for eachother. I'm sure she doesn't think murder, rape, incest, and stealing are acceptable..well nor do I. So more stuff we agree on. I just think when people don't like eachother its easier to act like you can't stand anything they say or be reluctant to give them any sort of kudos if you do agree. Hopefully, some minds have evolved on that front...

What's more of a twilight zone phenomenon in my opinion is if NEA and I don't agree.. then that's something to ponder. LOL! But it happens..rarely, but it happens.
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My sincere heartfelt condolences to the family of that murdered boy. It is so very tragic when sick people think it's okay to be judge jury and executioner. So tragic for everyone.

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Well, I agree with that, too (re: Marah). You can have a basic or underlying disagreement, agree to disagree about it (or not), while still allying on other issues about which you share a similar perspective.

It's those grey areas again. Life is full of them, imo. (Yeah, yeah, cite book,make joke ---whatever).
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Well, I agree with that, too (re: Marah). You can have a basic or underlying disagreement, agree to disagree about it (or not), while still allying on other issues about which you share a similar perspective.

It's those grey areas again. Life is full of them, imo. (Yeah, yeah, cite book,make joke ---whatever).
What.. you didn't just LOOOOOOOOVE the 50 Shades of Grey Trilogy ? LOL! I bet we agree on how DUMB those books were too..
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They're just not my thing.

A friend of mine likes them a lot. She's probably getting divorced soon.
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I think if the child was white, he would not have shot him. I think there is a lesser value on blacks, therefore he was quicker on the draw.
I think you are using your own life experience to imagine what happened for the murderer. I'm sad things have been this way for you that you have to assume the murder was also an assault on your race. It's making an already tragic incident even more tragic, for reasons that are not proven.

You don't know, nor will you ever know, if he had it out for black kids only. I can imagine that a man dying of cancer is going to be very angry with anyone who he thinks may have broken into his home. If his neighbor was a white kid, I think he would have shot him too-- but that is my imagination telling me this, as I have seen many instances of white people killing white children for all kinds of reasons. I've also seen people who are very sick do things very outside of their nature. My guess is just as valid as yours.. it is only an opinion based on my own personal experience in life, just like yours is.

How can anyone know the truth if they are not the person in question? Maybe we will find out that the old man had a journal full of entries of how much he hates blacks, or how much he just wants to murder a 13 year old boy. Then we might know the truth. But to decide what happened without any kind of evidence is not logical.

I do notice there are a lot of posts indicating the natural assumption that it had to be race related. How very sad for all of you that you live in a place where it probably is so common that you would have to assume this. It's not like this where I'm from, so using evidence and facts are how we do things here. I just want to state, however, that I feel the insistence that it is a race inspired murder without any kind of evidence, does feel like racism against whites to me.

My sincere heartfelt condolences to the family of that murdered boy. It is so very tragic when sick people think it's okay to be judge jury and executioner. So tragic for everyone.

I don't mean this to be disrespectful but I have a difficult time accepting that Trenell's position is what it is..is because she's projecting.

I mean (and with all due respect to you Trenell)..but she's married to a white guy for pete's sake. If she was all that uptight about white folks and she had it so bad with them..it would be real nuts for her to be married to one and have a child with him.

I mean you do see that huge picture of her, her white husband, and her mixed race child in her siggy..right ?

Okay..can I just say reading that back sounds CRAZY..but yall get my point.

I think this is a little deeper than she has some bad experiences with white folks....
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I understand what you are saying Marah. I'm mixed with many white relatives. And I also feel brown people are considered less. Just look throughout history. Even today. I dont think anyone can disagree with this Honestly who can??

An episode of Without a Trace comes to mind. Two kids went missing. One white, one black. They tried to get coverage for the black kid to no avail. They even attempted to incorporate the black kid into press conferences, but they would just ignore and ask about the white blond girl. At the end only one kid was found alive, they never revealed which one. Sounds familar?
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