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Old 06-18-2012, 02:20 PM   #41
 
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Is it out here, Scrills?

That's a novel business idea, although........I don't know. I guess I'd trade electricity for eggs or cheese or something. If there's a high number, I guess someone would have to charge them......for a charge, that is.
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Yes, she lives of 422, in Bainbridge
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The re-charging place? That's what I meant.
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Not sure. I jsut know that it's near her house
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Marah, I wondered if you'd be appearing here.

I don't know what branch exactly of Judaism you practice, but none of my issues with Orthodoxy are aimed at you. I don't want to share more details about why it bothers me so much, since they may appear out of context later, which has happened before.

Certainly the way you and yours live is up to you, and I understand that you don't expect others to adhere to the same rules. However, other people, including me, are free to express our feelings about it, just as you've done elsewhere, on other subjects. So, please don't take this personally.

Thanks, and Shalom (in the peace sense).

Claudine19/Ninja Dog, it's Conservative Judaism and my family and I are members of an egalitarian Conservative synagogue. Given we have family and friends in different branches that we associate with regularly.

As far as this thread is concerned, you weren't the only person to post in this thread. I took this thread to be about the Amish since that's the title. If you notice I never mentioned one thing about Judaism in my post in this thread. I've read your expression of distain for various Jewish practices and frankly Judaism in general in a bevy of threads on NC many times. So your comments in here seemed nothing new or out of the ordinary and certainly nothing for me to take personally nor address. It's really old news.

I expressed MY view here like everyone else...I simply opted not to go on about why I feel this religion or that religion or this culture or that culture is off putting to me. I took a different approach. So perhaps maybe you could heed your own words and just let my comments be just that: an expression of my feelings that have nothing to do with you. So please don't take it or this personally.


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I like matzoh, challah, macaroons, and hamantashen a lot.

Mogen David and gefilte fish, not so much.
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@Claudine19, as do many non-Jews. No big deal.
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Even the man not speaking on the bus wouldn't have bothered me. I'm always amazed by the discipline of others.
I hardly think being disciplined in bigotry and sexism is noble or something to be in awe of. If anything I'm amazed at people who are stuck on archaic and regressive ways of thinking for the sake of tradition (religious or otherwise), at the expense of their own wives and daughters.
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I agree with you, Midgi, but Scrills probably comes at it from a different perspective. Ime, she tends to be open when others are not, and see both sides of the story.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:24 PM   #51
 
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I dont know that man or why he didnt speak. You assume bigotry, I admit to not knowing. Either way the discipline amazing me. I consider myself somewhat non traditional, but the traditions of religion fascinate. Getting down to their orgins and cutting through the what is sometimes misinformation is interesting to me. Shrug.

I dont have to agree or like it to want to know more.

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This is a little difficult to put into words. Orthodox Jewish men start the day with a prayer that thanks God for not making them a woman. I'm not interested in fancy explanations that brush aside what that means - it is clear that women are "lesser." I don't imagine that sect is any worse in it's teachings about women than other religions.

I once saw the title of a book "A Lesser Life" which was about being female. I understood immediately what that title meant.

I remember that Shirley Chisholm, the first African American Congresswoman said she encountered far more ridicule and disdain for being female than for being black.

I'm Jewish. I never found anything disdainful or negative in Claudine19's attitude towards Judaism. I met Scrills and yes, she is open minded and receptive - really easy to be with. Actually, the reverse of the man I encountered on the bus.
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Some religious sects/people are like that. They see it as disrespectful to address the woman in front of her husband. The last church I went to was like that. I think its annoying. acknowledge me if I'm standing there.
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I wrote a nice guano about Scrills but it disappeared.

Shoot.
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I dont know that man or why he didnt speak. You assume bigotry, I admit to not knowing. Either way the discipline amazing me. I consider myself somewhat non traditional, but the traditions of religion fascinate. Getting down to their orgins and cutting through the what is sometimes misinformation is interesting to me. Shrug.

I dont have to agree or like it to want to know more.

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Scrills you are such a neat person online...if you are half of what you project online in real life you are a wonderful and delightful person. I enjoy reading many of your posts.
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I wrote a nice guano about Scrills but it disappeared.

Shoot.
#50 post? It's still there. Oh yeah, bang! You're it.

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No, a different one.

Hah!
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I grew up around the amish and the amish here are great. They mainly stay in their own comminuties, but they are well aware of the outside world. Boys and girls alike go to school until the 8th grade. The girls usually get a bit more schooling/ training/ education because they typically become teachers. From want I see everyone works the same amount, no discrimination. I have seen the boys in the kitchen cooking, the girls butcherying meat. The Amish I have encountered seem an open minded caring bunch. The kids are also very respectful, and they all treat the elderly with the utmost respect. Growing up I had always found their way of life interesting and wondered if I could ever live that way. Take away the religious aspects, I think I would like their simple way of life. They have a sense of community that I dont see anywhere else. The reasson they thrive and are still going strong is because they work together and stay true to themselves, imo. I'm sure they are not perfect and have their problems, like all communities, but they work it out without getting violent.

Also while they have there beliefs and hold strong to their religious docterines, they do believe in science and medicine and would never compromise the safety and well-being of their loved ones. I know of one amish home where the daughter has severe asthma and need ventalators and such. That Amish home has electricity just for their daughter in her room. I also know of a young Amish man with mental problems, his family got him to the doctor so he could be diagnosed and he is on meds and able to function.

I realize that not all amish are like this, but the ones here are great and treat everyone with the most respect, women and men alike. They say true to their customs, but not at the expense of disrespecting or harming others due to sex, gender, race, or anything else.
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That does sound like a great community.^
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Scrills you are such a neat person online...if you are half of what you project online in real life you are a wonderful and delightful person. I enjoy reading many of your posts.
ah, shucks. Thanks.

And I really mean it. These things fascinate me. It's just as interesting to know why certain men don't shake hands with women as it is to know why bacon and shrimp are bad.

And as I've studied religion, and I don't admit to being an expert, there is some form of bigotry in most, from Jews to Christians to Muslims to Pagans.

But hey, I'm so the kind of person who looks at Sangria and wonders who was this very smart person who found a way to use old wine and crappy fruit to make it something yummy. And when I look at caramel, I think of this was discovered on accident.I also love knowing the orgin behind things like why bridemaids all wear the same dress.

As for the Amish, I still l remember the yummy grilled cheese I had on a field trip which must have been in about 4th grade. It was the first time someone put tomato on it. I also remember the Amish man who let me take a profile picture of him with my poloraid camera, ha!

Even back then, i guess I had this curiosity in me. I was told that I wouldn't be allowed to take a picture. But I asked and he said yes. And he (or they) explained to me why that misconception was there and why it had to be a profile (not straight on) picture. so interesting.
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