Sandusky's sexual abuse defense strategy - Page 2

thelio · 06-19-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by munchkin

She shouldn't have to pay for his crimes "if she didn't know." That said, I have a hard time believing all this happened in their home while she was upstairs and she didn't know, or at least have some suspicions ???

I think she new. Judging by the witness testimony, I think she new and chose to ignore. She allowed the children to be abused and did nothing. She's as bad as the abuser.

spiderlashes5000 · 06-19-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Devushka

Yeah, I have a hard time believing she had NO idea. The suspicions had to have been there. She must have been doing some serious mental gymnastics in order to avoid acknowledging that she married a monster. It's incredible what a person can decide to turn a blind eye to.

He was raping these boys at home??

thelio · 06-19-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

He was raping these boys at home??

In the article, it says that he raped one boy in his basement with the wife upstairs. Another assult happened at a hotel. they had ajoining rooms and mrs. sandusky walked in on them!

read the article! Its insane!! Its no way she didnt know if these boys are telling the truth.

spiderlashes5000 · 06-19-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Springcurl

When I told my grandmother she said, "Well, your uncle has epilepsy so he probably doesn't even remember that it happened."

When I told my boyfriend (only about 10 years ago-- and we're talking about a 35 year old man), He said, "I mean, I just don't understand how you could have let it go on for so long."

Well, I'm older than 35 and I have to wonder about the same thing (not about you in particular, just in general).

That's not to invalidate you (gy who have suffered sexual abuse) or blame you or not seem sympathetic. We just don't understand.

Some of the responses in this thread do shed light, tho. And I appreciate that.

I'm just coming from the POV of an appalled, concerned parent...not trying to accuse anyone of being complicit in her own abuse.

Devushka · 06-19-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thelio

In the article, it says that he raped one boy in his basement with the wife upstairs. Another assult happened at a hotel. they had ajoining rooms and mrs. sandusky walked in on them!

read the article! Its insane!! Its no way she didnt know if these boys are telling the truth.

Was it just that one boy? I guess I'm recalling one of the reports I read incorrectly. I thought it was part of his repeated pattern of abuse, taking boys down into his basement.

thelio · 06-19-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Devushka

Was it just that one boy? I guess I'm recalling one of the reports I read incorrectly. I thought it was part of his repeated pattern of abuse, taking boys down into his basement.

i thought it was more then one boy who gave seperate accounts of abuse. But I could had interperated the article wrong.

spiderlashes5000 · 06-19-2012, 03:17 PM

Does Sandusky have children of his own? I don't understand how someone w/ children could do this. I mean, you wouldn't grab another person's child and just punch them in the face every day for a year, would you?

I guess there is a lot I don't understand.

Springcurl · 06-19-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thelio

i thought it was more then one boy who gave seperate accounts of abuse. But I could had interperated the article wrong.

It was more than one boy.

Interestingly, in the NBC interview that Sandusky gave last year (which in itself was pretty damning-- if you recall, he couldn't say that he wasn't sexually attracted to boys), apparently NBC edited part of the video where he said this:

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In the exchange, Sandusky told Costas, "I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

The clip was shown on Monday's "NBC Nightly News."

CurlyCanadian · 06-19-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

Does Sandusky have children of his own? I don't understand how someone w/ children could do this. I mean, you wouldn't grab another person's child and just punch them in the face every day for a year, would you?

I guess there is a lot I don't understand.

That's what I don't understand.

A friend of mine and her 3 siblings were adopted by a couple with 5 kids. The "father" molested the 3 adopted girls, but not his own.

The really strange thing was from the outside, you wouldn't know which were the adopted children...they all seemed to be treated just the same.

*Marah* · 06-19-2012, 03:55 PM

Okay..so Sandusky's wife testifies and she knows ALLLLLLLLL that went on with Sandusky and these boys. Not buying it. Frankly, I think she knew SOMETHING inappropriate was going on with these boys and ignored it. She doesn't want to face the truth about her husband but deep inside I believe she has to know he did at least some of these things.

This is really sad. Wife: Nothing inappropriate between Sandusky, boys - Yahoo! Sports

*Marah* · 06-19-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

Does Sandusky have children of his own? I don't understand how someone w/ children could do this. I mean, you wouldn't grab another person's child and just punch them in the face every day for a year, would you?

I guess there is a lot I don't understand.

They have six kids...all adopted. And they served as foster parents for other children over the years. Their son Jon Sandusky is employed by the Cleveland Browns as a Director of Player Personnel and one of their other son E.J. is the assistant football coach at West Chester University.

I tell you one thing.. I always wondered if Sandusky was up to no good with those adopted children and the foster kids....but looks like none of them came forward. So I don't know.

Devushka · 06-19-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Springcurl

It was more than one boy.

Interestingly, in the NBC interview that Sandusky gave last year (which in itself was pretty damning-- if you recall, he couldn't say that he wasn't sexually attracted to boys), apparently NBC edited part of the video where he said this:

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In the exchange, Sandusky told Costas, "I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

The clip was shown on Monday's "NBC Nightly News."

The fact that in his mind he could even remotely justify or mitigate his actions. But then again, it's just par for the course with predators.

Always@night · 06-19-2012, 04:12 PM

This whole case baffles me, even if the man does have a mental illness I don't believe that takes away from it being a crime, that should be punished. This reminds me of when I helped someone with a research paper regarding if mothers with mental illness who killed their children should be treated differently from mothers without mental illness who also killed their children. Does it make the person incapable of determining what's right and what's wrong? How do you feel about this? If someone attempts to cover what they do up, doesn't that prove they have some conscious knowledge of what they did is wrong?

Poodlehead · 06-19-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

Does Sandusky have children of his own? I don't understand how someone w/ children could do this. I mean, you wouldn't grab another person's child and just punch them in the face every day for a year, would you?

I guess there is a lot I don't understand.

To be allowed to volunteer at my kids' school, we had to take "how to spot a predator" classes (which were pretty ineffectual IMO), but they had incarcerated predators who told about their MO. One of them would use his children as lures, so that other parents/children would feel safe. They described the grooming process, which included not only the children, but the parents. That is why so many people always say "I can't believe he would do such a thing!"

As I said before, they are evil, and very good at what they do.

ETA: I am NOT an expert, and they scare the @#$% out of me.

curlypearl · 06-19-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by moodydove

Unfortunately it does. I was physically abused as a preteen and I didn't tell anyone about it until 3 or 4 years later. The first time I said anything, the person rejected me and said I deserved it. I didn't really feel like telling anyone else after that. That wasn't sexual abuse obviously, but still.
I wish I knew what more parents could do about it.

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Originally Posted by Springcurl

When I told my grandmother she said, "Well, your uncle has epilepsy so he probably doesn't even remember that it happened."

When I told my boyfriend (only about 10 years ago-- and we're talking about a 35 year old man), He said, "I mean, I just don't understand how you could have let it go on for so long."

MoodyDove and Springcurl, I am shaking my head in disbelief. And yet I know this is all too common. How on earth, Moody could someone say you "deserved" it. And Spring, that excuse is just total BS!!!

I was sexually molested by a stranger when I was 8. Honestly, it scarred me for life. I was too scared to tell my mom until I was in my teens. When I told her, to her credit, she said if she had known, she would have killed the man. You'd better believe at the very least he would have been crippled for life. My mom was far from perfect but thank God, she didn't blame me or make excuses. No no no!!! Wrong.

slinky1 · 06-19-2012, 08:34 PM

These poor kids that Sandusky sought out had no one. Their mothers were probably dumb and working all of the time, and so flattered that a rich "celebrity" was giving these kids special attention. The kids knew what was happening was wrong, but some were afraid if they said anything they would be all alone. And how would you explain to someone that a guy that everyone idolizes held you up in the shower to suck your d. When you are like ten. Who do you tell that to, and who is going to believe you. You don't even completely understand the concept. And the humiliation of it. Plus, like Oprah says, it feels good. And the kids were getting perks that all little boys would want...game tickets, material things, attention. You don't really know what it is like to have your brain messed with. It isn't as easy to get out of these situations as you would think.

One kid said that he screamed from the basement when Sandusky was raping him, and Dottie didn't respond. I know she knew what was going on, and no amount of repentance is going to save her from the flames of hell.

thelio · 06-20-2012, 05:33 AM

Dottie Sandusky claims her basement isnt sound proof. So why didnt she hear the boy scream?

She is full of it. Once her husband is found guilty, her court date should soon follow.

spiderlashes5000 · 06-20-2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Always@night

This whole case baffles me, even if the man does have a mental illness I don't believe that takes away from it being a crime, that should be punished. This reminds me of when I helped someone with a research paper regarding if mothers with mental illness who killed their children should be treated differently from mothers without mental illness who also killed their children. Does it make the person incapable of determining what's right and what's wrong? How do you feel about this? If someone attempts to cover what they do up, doesn't that prove they have some conscious knowledge of what they did is wrong?

Generally speaking, yes, crimes committed by mentally ill people are still crimes...but the goal shouldn't always be to punish the mentally ill person, but rather to attempt to treat and contain him/her bc he/she lacks the mental faculties to make good decisions.

When I say mentally ill, I'm talking about something germane to the situation, like someone w/ paranoid schizophrenia shooting someone they perceive to be a threat or someone w/ severe post partum depression drowning their baby, etc.

I don't think there are any effective treatments for pedophilia/hebephilia or any of the other sexual disorders, so I support chemical castration to remove their urges, and not only their abilities.

iroc · 06-20-2012, 09:39 AM

Children and adolescents have so many emotions, and feelings going on. They're very introverted with their emotions, and they're scared who to trust.

A young child molested by a family member is confused as to why a person they trust is hurting them.

A teenage boy is humiliated that a man has had sex with him.

There are many reasons a wounded child may not tell.

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*Marah* · 06-20-2012, 10:12 AM

Well both sides have rested in the case.. and Sandusky didn't take the stand afterall.

I hope the police with their stupid tactics didn't mess this case up... smh.