Sandusky's sexual abuse defense strategy - Page 5

curlysue21 · 06-22-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Devushka

Wow. I can't imagine the jailhouse justice that he'll probably face. I believe I've seen reports before about how even other inmates see child molesters as the lowest of the low.

My husband is a correction officer and this is actually true although other inmates don't always know what others are convicted of. But they do look down on pedophiles. It's pretty contradictory.

greenjumper · 06-22-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by roseannadana

Well now that their adopted son is talking, who knows what he may tell about Dottie?

Hmm, that's interesting. So you think she could have been sort of an enabler for all those years. Like instead of just passively ignoring it like it wasn't happening.

I don't understand why she would be so loyal after her own child comes forward with being abused. What does it take her for her to wake up? I know many adults don't always believe their own children but after 45 guilty counts you'd think the reality fairy would sprinkle its magic on her.

She's taking for better or worse to the extreme.

Rimi · 06-22-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by curlysue21

My husband is a correction officer and this is actually true although other inmates don't always know what others are convicted of. But they do look down on pedophiles. It's pretty contradictory.

Yes. Many inmates were molested/mistreated children, which we all know increases the likelihood of bad/illegal/retaliatory behavior as adults.

I know someone who is currently serving in prison, and he says that child molesters are at a much higher risk of getting attacked or killed while in prison because so many of the prisoners were molested as children.

claudine19 · 06-22-2012, 09:12 PM

Guilty on 45 of 48 charges?

Now he's the one who's ******.

Devushka · 06-22-2012, 09:17 PM

More charges against more people probably still to come.

How in the *world* does Penn State ever come back from this?

cmb4314 · 06-22-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Devushka

More charges against more people probably still to come.

How in the *world* does Penn State ever come back from this?

I don't know, but I hope it's sooner rather than later for my job hunt's sake. I can't imagine it's helping my resume right now.

Devushka · 06-22-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cmb4314

I don't know, but I hope it's sooner rather than later for my job hunt's sake. I can't imagine it's helping my resume right now.

You have a degree from Penn State? A reasonable employer won't hold your average, individual student responsible for Sandusky's crime or the school and football officials' failure to investigate and take action. But then again, I guess theremay be a stigma associated with the school for a while regardless.

*Marah* · 06-23-2012, 05:22 AM

Jerry Sandusky the monster is held accountable and his sex abuse victims are heroes for testifying - Yahoo! Sports

BELLEFONTE, Pa. – Juror No. 4, the foreman, gray-haired and middle-aged, stood high in the back row of the jurors' box, looked down at some sheets of paper, then at Jerry Sandusky and began to deliver a verdict a long, sad time coming.
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse. Of indecent assault. Of endangering the welfare of children.
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

Of terrorizing the poorest and most vulnerable of this area's youth. Of abusing his fame as a former Penn State defensive coordinator. Of conducting a charade of charitable work to supposedly help children.
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Forty-five times it rang out. Juror No. 4 hammered each one home with the independent force each one deserved.
There were just three charges Sandusky escaped on. After each of those not-guilty counts, it seemed that the foreman raised his voice as he returned to this parade of guilty verdicts.
He seemed to make sure each count was granted its own moment to linger, to emphasize the torture and pain and shattered innocence it produced. Oral sex. Anal sex. Fondling. One despicable act worse than the next.
This here was a night of redemption, a predator laid bare with nowhere to hide, with no more lies to tell, with no one left to save him.
"Mr. Sandusky," Judge John Cleland said when this dramatic, nearly eight-minute condemnation was finally, fully read, "you have been found guilty by a jury of your peers."
The 68-year-old faces up to 442 years behind bars, or what might as well be forever and ever and ever some more. His defense attorney, Joe Amendola, hinted at an appeal, but it likely would be fruitless.
On the other side of the courtroom, Victim No. 6, who as an 11 year-old in 1998 was abused by Sandusky in a Penn State locker room shower, an act that was investigated but never prosecuted, laid his head on the top of the bench in front of him and sobbed uncontrollably. He was soon hugging family members who had joined him.
"I'm just overwhelmed," he said, now a grown man, strong and no longer timid in the face of an old pathetic coach.

*Marah* · 06-23-2012, 05:23 AM

Now I hope they put this no good, low down, rotten, evil, deserving of death monster in jail for all 400 plus years!

roseannadana · 06-23-2012, 06:40 AM

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Jerry Sandusky the monster is held accountable and his sex abuse victims are heroes for testifying - Yahoo! Sports

That's some powerful writing there! Thanks for sharing this article!

The New Black · 06-23-2012, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by greenjumper

Hmm, that's interesting. So you think she could have been sort of an enabler for all those years. Like instead of just passively ignoring it like it wasn't happening.

I don't understand why she would be so loyal after her own child comes forward with being abused. What does it take her for her to wake up? I know many adults don't always believe their own children but after 45 guilty counts you'd think the reality fairy would sprinkle its magic on her.

She's taking for better or worse to the extreme.

Ive seen it happen too many times...

roseannadana · 06-23-2012, 07:28 AM

I think Matt had "behavior problems" and Dottie and Jer blamed Matt. As I recall from an excerpt from sanduskys book, they kicked him out for a while. I'm certain Dottie considers Matt either disturbed or ungrateful for all they did for him. He's the one who tried to kill himself a few months after moving in with them I think. If I am wrong someone can correct me!

Devushka · 06-23-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by roseannadana

I think Matt had "behavior problems" and Dottie and Jer blamed Matt. As I recall from an excerpt from sanduskys book, they kicked him out for a while. I'm certain Dottie considers Matt either disturbed or ungrateful for all they did for him. He's the one who tried to kill himself a few months after moving in with them I think. If I am wrong someone can correct me!

I'd never heard that - That's terrible! I really hope the verdict yesterday helps the adopted son (and ALL of Sandusky's victims) heal more fully.

LadyV69 · 06-23-2012, 01:14 PM

Justice isn't always served in cases like this (or any case, really), but I'm really glad all of those people and his own adopted son will get it here. Sandusky is scum and hopefully, he'll die in prison.

crimsonshedemon · 06-23-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by curlysue21

My husband is a correction officer and this is actually true although other inmates don't always know what others are convicted of. But they do look down on pedophiles. It's pretty contradictory.

Mine is a c/o also at a supermax in CA. Pedos dont do well in general population but a lot depends on the race. They dont get raped but will get stabbed, beat up and forced to leave the yard. Certain races are more accepting of pedophiles also. He says theres more "justice" in jail since it's not necessarily separated by level. You can have a serial killer and someone arrested for theft in the same dorm/cell. Pedophiles in CA usually go into protective custody or a special needs yard so they are protected. It's already said Sandusky will go to a pc yard.

greenjumper · 06-23-2012, 06:45 PM

Does anyone know what the 3 counts were that Sandusky was not convicted of? I tried to find it but I couldn't.

From a news report that I saw one of those 3 was that he was not guilty of raping the boy in the shower (something about the jurors not seeing in evidence of actual penetration). However, they didn't go into it so I couldn't really tell if I heard it right.

Many of the victims are going to file civil suits as well. I wonder if they will end up discloses the amount of money they are awarded from Sandusky and Penn State. (Not that money makes up for what happened).

curlypearl · 06-23-2012, 06:47 PM

That's unfortunate. I'd much rather hear he'd be put into general population and get stabbed and beaten up a few times. At least.

Devushka · 06-23-2012, 07:54 PM

Does anyone remember that priest who was convicted of child abuse maybe 10 years ago and was killed in prison by another inmate? Several commentators at the time were saying that the story the inmate gave about how the priest had started a fight or something didn't ring true. They suspected instead that he was pretty much targeted because of his crime.

But of course I don't know what's true in that priest's killing or even whether or not he was in protective custody. I do remember thinking at the time how incredible it was going to be for him to go from the completely revered and protected environment he was used to, to prison. And that's what I immediately thought of when I saw the clip of them taking Sandusky off to prison last night. He looked dazed. Like he couldn't wrap his mind around it all. I'm just amazed (yet again) by the apparent, total disconnect -- that in his wildest dreams he didn't see this as even a remote possibility.

lexcoupe · 06-23-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by greenjumper

Does anyone know what the 3 counts were that Sandusky was not convicted of? I tried to find it but I couldn't.

From a news report that I saw one of those 3 was that he was not guilty of raping the boy in the shower (something about the jurors not seeing in evidence of actual penetration). However, they didn't go into it so I couldn't really tell if I heard it right.

Many of the victims are going to file civil suits as well. I wonder if they will end up discloses the amount of money they are awarded from Sandusky and Penn State. (Not that money makes up for what happened).

I heard on the today show this morning that it was the 3 counts related to the McQuerry(sp) testimony and the penetration thing too but I haven't heard what counts either

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crimsonshedemon · 06-24-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by curlypearl

That's unfortunate. I'd much rather hear he'd be put into general population and get stabbed and beaten up a few times. At least.

Agreed! He needs to be victimized to see what it's like.