Father Beats Daughter's Rapist To Death - Page 2

Eilonwy · 06-20-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

The degree to which it functions really depends on the participants' races, education levels, connections, occupations, net worth, etc.

It's a really flawed system and some of us, justifiably, have very little faith in it.

I was responding to your comment: "But I am just as sad that parents (esp fathers) have turned into pantywaists and don't protect their families." In the context of the rest of that post, I thought that meant if a man doesn't beat up his child's rapist, he's a p*ssy. And that sounded to me like an ideological endorsement of vigilantism over legal process.

But I must have misinterpreted your post.

BlackAngelPlayah · 06-20-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

I can't support vigilantism where there's a functioning legal system.

And where might this legal system exist?

I would have done the same thing. I come in, catch dude in the act, I'd be just blanked out! I know rage would take over and I'd be in the news. Who's gonna take the chance on a legal system that so often lets these freaks off with a slap on the wrist or worse, just lets them go?

More people need to do this. Maybe it'll make idiots think before they act.

And I don't mean because you "think" someone did it. I mean you KNOW they did it. Saw them do it. THEY SAID THEY DID IT!!!!

Sexual predictors are not people. They are deranged animals that can not be rehabilitated. And I dont mean technical predators. (17 year old girl, 21 year old guy but consenting.) I mean nasty a$$ predictors. Rapists and child molesters.

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spiderlashes5000 · 06-20-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

I was responding to your comment: "But I am just as sad that parents (esp fathers) have turned into pantywaists and don't protect their families." In the context of the rest of that post, I thought that meant if a man doesn't beat up his child's rapist, he's a p*ssy. And that sounded to me like an ideological endorsement of vigilantism over legal process.

But I must have misinterpreted your post.

Yes, that is basically what I meant...bc for many of us there is no functioning legal system and if the parents wait on this BS legal system, no justice will be done, no punishments or deterrents meted out. Just more innocent peope victimized.

Eilonwy · 06-20-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Josephine

I don't understand at all how someone can rape a CHILD and then on top of that a gang rape.

There's actually a lot of different reasons someone would rape a child. (I'm not talking about the gang rape here.) It ranges from sexual sadism to simply lacking the mental capacity to understand that it harms children.

Considering how extremely common sexual abuse of children is, I think it's important to keep in mind that most abusers are (unfortunately) normal, everyday people.

Eilonwy · 06-20-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

Yes, that is basically what I meant...bc for many of us there is no functioning legal system and if the parents wait on this BS legal system, no justice will be done, no punishments or deterrents meted out. Just more innocent peope victimized.

Well, I thought you meant that vigilantism is superior to even an ideal legal system, and is the ideal basis for a society.

eta: Just in case it looks like I'm backtracking (although I added the bolding just now)

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

And that sounded to me like an ideological endorsement of vigilantism over legal process.

Anyway, I think we agree and we're just confusing each other with our phrasing.

spiderlashes5000 · 06-20-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

Well, I thought you meant that vigilantism is superior to even an ideal legal system, and is the ideal basis for a society.

No! LOL

Just that some people have become conditioned to distrust our judicial system (usually with good reason) and instinctively operate around it/outside of it.

Eilonwy · 06-20-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

No! LOL

Yeah, I should have thought through that it doesn't jibe with what I know of your opinions. I'm just jaded from seeing so many people actually suggest that on the internet

scrills · 06-20-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

There's actually a lot of different reasons someone would rape a child. (I'm not talking about the gang rape here.) It ranges from sexual sadism to simply lacking the mental capacity to understand that it harms children.

Considering how extremely common sexual abuse of children is, I think it's important to keep in mind that most abusers are (unfortunately) normal, everyday people.

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midgi · 06-20-2012, 01:13 PM

I'm confused by that post as well, E.

NetG · 06-20-2012, 01:33 PM

I took it to mean that there are varoius mental pathologies and issues which have been identified as causes, and that unfortunately, the people who do it often seem like the normal bagger at your grocery store, basketball coach or accountant. They seem like normal people to those around them, not like people who have internal monstrous things happening on driving them to be that way.

I don't believe you can abuse children without being sick. If there were a sure way to cure that, I wouldn't think people should be locked up once cured, but to me if you're that sick I feel society first has a responsibility to the children and question why you would ever let an abuser out if looking at it that way.

inheritedcurls · 06-20-2012, 01:48 PM

I just have to say...I would have done the same thing. May God Bless that man and his daughter. I'm sure that they will have a lot to overcome and this will impact both their lives forever.

*Marah* · 06-20-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

There's actually a lot of different reasons someone would rape a child. (I'm not talking about the gang rape here.) It ranges from sexual sadism to simply lacking the mental capacity to understand that it harms children.

Considering how extremely common sexual abuse of children is, I think it's important to keep in mind that most abusers are (unfortunately) normal, everyday people.

Huh ?

She said she didn't understand it.. she didn't say there weren't different reasons nor that she didn't comprehend that fact.

I highly doubt a child molester is "normal". But I understand that child molesters are often people many typically don't think of as predators. Such as when they turn out to be doctors, lawyers, teachers, coaches, clergy, etc rather than some weirdo that looks odd, acts strange or awkward, and stays to themselves. I think a lot of people are now understanding that's not reality and that a child predator can be anyone. All the unfortunate priest sex abuse scandals should be evident of that.. considering priests are supposed to be "moral".

juanab · 06-20-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by *Marah*

Huh ?

She said she didn't understand it.. she didn't say there weren't different reasons nor that she didn't comprehend that fact.

I highly doubt a child molester is "normal". But I understand that child molesters are often people many typically don't think of as predators. Such as when they turn out to be doctors, lawyers, teachers, coaches, clergy, etc rather than some weirdo that looks odd, acts strange or awkward, and stays to themselves. I think a lot of people are now understanding that's not reality and that a child predator can be anyone. All the unfortunate priest sex abuse scandals should be evident of that.. considering priests are supposed to be "moral".

Let's not forget, uncles, aunts, cousins, family friends.

SusieSuze · 06-20-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NetG

I took it to mean that there are varoius mental pathologies and issues which have been identified as causes, and that unfortunately, the people who do it often seem like the normal bagger at your grocery store, basketball coach or accountant. They seem like normal people to those around them, not like people who have internal monstrous things happening on driving them to be that way.

I don't believe you can abuse children without being sick. If there were a sure way to cure that, I wouldn't think people should be locked up once cured, but to me if you're that sick I feel society first has a responsibility to the children and question why you would ever let an abuser out if looking at it that way.

I understand what you are saying, however these sick people are a HUGE threat to our society. I don't give a sh*t if they seem normal and have normal jobs and there are many of them in our society. THEY ARE LIKE RABID DOGS--- THERE IS NO CURE BUT DEATH.

The facts I've seen stated so many times is that a pedophile can never be cured or stopped. Due to this fact, the law, which is built upon the assumption that people can be rehabilitated in prison, is totally and completely impotent in dealing with these monsters.

I don't condone vigilante behaviour. But I DO think there should be an automatic death sentence for child molesters and serial rapists. More so than any other crime, actually. Of course the proof has to be air tight, as it is in the case we're discussing here.

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Originally Posted by juanab

Let's not forget, uncles, aunts, cousins, family friends.

If a family member of mine was caught raping a little girl, death by the father of that girl would be the very best outcome possible. Heartbreaking, yes, but imagine the heartbreak of knowing your relative was a repeat offender, was in and out of court and prison, or worse, was never caught. I'd be the one wanting to pull the trigger myself.

spiderlashes5000 · 06-20-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SusieSuze

I understand what you are saying, however these sick people are a HUGE threat to our society. I don't give a sh*t if they seem normal and have normal jobs and there are many of them in our society. THEY ARE LIKE RABID DOGS--- THERE IS NO CURE BUT DEATH.

The facts I've seen stated so many times is that a pedophile can never be cured or stopped. Due to this fact, the law, which is built upon the assumption that people can be rehabilitated in prison, is totally and completely impotent in dealing with these monsters.

I don't condone vigilante behaviour. But I DO think there should be an automatic death sentence for child molesters and serial rapists. More so than any other crime, actually. Of course the proof has to be air tight, as it is in the case we're discussing here.

What about chemical castration?

It's not available in my state but I've read it's an option for first time pedophile offenders and mandatory for repeat pedophile offenders in California.

I don't support the death penalty but I would heartily endorse this.

I mean, so what if they get fat and grow ditties?

spiderlashes5000 · 06-20-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

There's actually a lot of different reasons someone would rape a child. (I'm not talking about the gang rape here.) It ranges from sexual sadism to simply lacking the mental capacity to understand that it harms children.

Considering how extremely common sexual abuse of children is, I think it's important to keep in mind that most abusers are (unfortunately) normal, everyday people.

The fact is, they start this behavior as children, themselves. The juvenile prisons are full of sex offenders...and there are countless more not in prisons but in schools, on playgrounds, at the babysitter, at the mall, on the street corner, on the basketball court...

eta - and the ones who serve time in the juvenile justice system won't get bound over to adult prison, except for under the most extenuating circumstances. So as soon as they are 21, they are free and back on the streets, violent and horny w/ a sealed record.

redcelticcurls · 06-20-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

The fact is, they start this behavior as children, themselves. The juvenile prisons are full of sex offenders...and there are countless more not in prisons but in schools, on playgrounds, at the babysitter, at the mall, on the street corner, on the basketball court...

eta - and the ones who serve time in the juvenile justice system won't get bound over to adult prison, except for under the most extenuating circumstances. So as soon as they are 21, they are free and back on the streets, violent and horny w/ a sealed record.

Maybe even less than that. A relative's stepson had inappropriate contact with that relative's daughter (his half sister) for months before anything was found out. He was 14, she was 4. He justified it by saying that he 'had needs' and that his girlfriend wouldn't put out. It turned out that he was trying this with every other young kid he was left alone with, boys and girls. His mo was to try to get them to give him oral sex by pretending his penis was a lollipop.

He had three months in a rehab facility where he said whatever he needed to say to get out. Nothing is on his adult record.

Many in his family defend him and say that it wasn't really molestation because no vaginal or anal intercourse occurred. Stupid. The church that the extended family attends blames the women for not praying enough or not being obedient enough.

So, now he's in his mid 20s and always dates single mothers. His mother has warned these young women (his FB is non private and this stuff goes down on his wall), but the young women defend him, saying that people are just trying to start drama.

Denial, excuses, non watchful attitudes. He will probably get away with this for years.

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midgi · 06-20-2012, 04:26 PM

That's sick RCC. Stuff like that enrages me.

redcelticcurls · 06-20-2012, 04:32 PM

To me, it shows that the system is lax, and that plenty of people would rather hide familial dirty laundry than do the right thing.

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munchkin · 06-20-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy

I can't support vigilantism where there's a functioning legal system.

I agree with you.

As much as I can understand where this father's head was at, we can't start letting everyone take the law into their own hands. At some point we lose control.

I personally believe he should have been convicted of manslaughter, given a reduced sentence, BUT sentenced. He became judge and jury. In this case we all believe he was correct, but WHAT if he wasn't. . . which could be the case in some future situation.