cailin

And get away with it.

One of my coworkers is always pulling shenanigans with his overtime and vacation time. He has allllll sorts of rationalizations but they just don't seem concrete to me. My company has been firing people left and right for the smallest step out of line and my feeling is that I don't want to give them a reason to question me.

His latest scam is this: His wife's grandfather passed away and the funeral is today. Company policy is one berevement day for something like that. He's putting in two, today and tomorrow.

On one hand I think: it's none of my business if he wants to play with fire. If he gets away with it then maybe good for him for 'sticking it to the company'.

On the other hand I think: When he pulls this stuff I have to handle his work load. In fact, he scheduled a big job for tomorrow yet thinks nothing of leaving it with me to handle. I wouldn't DREAM of doing that to my coworkers. And I'm insulted that he thinks it's okay to do to me.

That being said I've always been 'rulesy'. When I was little it used to make me anxious when other kids would break the rules. I also remember asking my Mom if a tank top and flip flops counted as "Shirt and Shoes" before we went in a grocery store. I was afraid I'd get kicked out for "No shirt, no shoes no service"

So I wanted to see if it would bother you all as well or if it's just my "rulesy" side popping up.

Springcurl

Whoa. I read this as "Does it bother you when cowgirls break the rules?"

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spiderlashes5000

OMG. Major pet peeve of mine.

My general position is: get a life plz and stay out of other folks' business!

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MoppyT

I have this exact same problem, except it's my boss. He takes all kinds of time off that goes unrecorded, runs personal errands during the workday, takes 90-minute lunches regularly, and so on. I'm the only other staff member in our office, so it all gets dumped on me. Makes me nuts to think that I'm doing two people's jobs for one person's paycheck, which is about half of what he's making for not even being here.

But, he is the Crown Prince of this place and can do no wrong, so it does me no good to complain to anyone. It's just infuriating, and I would never treat a coworker that way. I don't think you're being too rulesy at all. When it affects you, you get to be mad about it.

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thelio

I dont thainkits about breaking rules, thats just plan rude. I know he dint plan for his grandfather in law to die, but if he takes off work oftern doing there is a heavy work load, thats just wrong.

spiderlashes5000

So he's not allowed to tack on a day of his own vacation time to the one day the company floats you? Or take a day off unpaid?

What if his wife or his child died? You would expect him to take one day off and come right back to work so your life wouldn't be inconvenienced?? jeez lol

What if he fell and broke his leg? Needed surgery? Wanted to take a family vacation? Would any of that be OK w/ you?

Whether his reasons seem "concrete" or how long he needs to mourn the death of a loved one has nothing to do w/ your workload. That is a separate issue. Just take at face value that he will be away from work for WHATEVER reason, and adjust. If your workload is too heavy, bring that to the attn of your sup. But don't start conjecturing and speculating about what he's really doing or where he really is and why he is saying that but doing something else...or you will seem like an even bigger jerk than he is.

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curlylaura

I have someone at work like that who I call the Princess. She calls in sick so often you can work out what day it is. It's annoying because there are obvious reasons why she's off, our dispensing Robot broke down yesterday. Surprise surprise she called in sick today because she didn't want to deal with the crap.

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claudine19

In the past, when I worked on a shared project, and my co-worker insisted on interrupting our work to make long pointless phone calls, which then delayed us, it made me mad.

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sleepymeko

I usually mind my own business. If the person is doing something wrong, I am sure someone (an authority) will find out eventually.

If I don't have to get into it, I don't get into it.

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scrills

I'm not the "rulesy" person at work. Everyone is reasonable with time off and when we take off the work doesn't fall on anyone else. However....

We do have a "rulesy" person. SHE. IS.SO.ANNOYING. She watches everyone's hours, including my boss. She comes in extra early and spends almost 10 hours when she doesn't even have that much work to do.

i call her Candice from Phineas and Ferb..... Mooooooommmmmm! This person took a long lunch today.

spiderlashes5000

Just to clarify: I think people should butt out about stuff like how long other people take for lunch or if they stayed home bc they were sick vs. just didn't feel like coming in, or if they dipped out early and didn't say why, etc.

But if they are abusing old folks or molesting children or flying a plane while they're hammered, then yeah, plz speak up. It's OK to be a busybody then! LOL

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midgi

I just left a job where one woman (User Lady) liked to leave work early and constantly took home (stole, basically) toilet paper, cleaning products, coffee, and cups from the office. Another who just started working there recently always showed up late and looking any old kind of way. She also had a bad attitude and unfriendly demeanor (bad enough that I mentioned it to my supervisor).

They bugged me, but as long as I did what I was supposed to do, whatever.

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Josephine

Not at all. I'll only get annoyed if it's severely affecting me or I'm getting blamed for someone else's mistakes. It's happened to me once.

Springcurl

Only if it affects me. For instance we have a coworker that comes in at 6:20 when he's scheduled to do the news with me at 6:30. That pisses me off because he's my broadcast coordinator so it affects me. Otherwise no. Because I come in late, take long dinners and go play ping-pong with another coworker down the hall. No one's picking up slack for me and I wouldn't if they did so I don't really see a problem with it.

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NetG

We charge to government contracts and it's illegal to charge for time not spent working on them. (For the record: No, I'm not charging my time right now! I'm on a late lunch, and will be working a few extra hours unpaid this week anyway.) So yeah, it bothers me if someone is committing timecard fraud because the company gets in trouble if they do.

I wouldn't dream of tracking other people's hours, but sometimes you just are aware that people are obviously being dishonest. Luckily we just get time off, not sick time vs. vacation time, and the system knows how long you can take bereavement for when you enter it, so it would require taking some of your time off allotment. My company's pretty flexible about things like working from home, too, with certain approval conditions, and most people I know work more hours than they charge just to tie up loose ends, since our core work week is 40 hours and you don't get paid overtime (if eligible) until you reach 48 hours. There are some bosses who directly monitor the in and out time of each of their employees, any breaks, etc. They always have unhappy employees who clock watch. The rest of us are generally pretty happy and don't mind working a couple extra hours so we can get all our work done.

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MoppyT

OMG YOU HAVE A ROBOT?! I want a robot.

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So some of you really don't care if your workload doubles because a coworker abuses the system and you have to pick up the slack?

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spiderlashes5000

If they are out, they are out. If they say they have the flu, they have the flu.

It's not my job to play timesheet police or monitor the bathroom supplies. LOL

This is btwn them and God. It's none of my business.

I would be just as likely to say, "I need help w/ m workload" if the coworker had an ironclad medical excuse for chemotherapy appts as if she was out screwing off at the mall.

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sleepymeko

But think of how this can benefit you. If you need a "favor" you can get them to cover your arse. I don't consider it a form of blackmailing, but ~sharing~

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MoppyT

^ Any person who would willingly screw over a coworker is not a person who would return a favor. It would be really nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't.

ETA: And to be clear, I don't give a rat's if someone is just cheating the company. It's when it becomes my responsibility to clean up their mess is when I get annoyed.

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spiderlashes5000

But then the guy plugging away in his office until all hours could be in there masturbating or downloading porn so his wife won't find it.

The employee who arrives every morning at 7 might get only half the work produced as the more efficient employee who gets in at 9 bc she's just not as competent.

Maybe the most diligent worker winds up going out on disability for a year due to some chronic but totally preventable health problem, costing the company thousands.

Or the erson who dips out 20 minutes early everyday picks up her kids and logs another 5 hours at night from home after they go to bed.

You just never know. And shoudn't presume.

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