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After I read Saria's first post, I was going to respond that I admired her bravery. Now that you have also admitted you hated the Gilmore Girls, I'm coming out of the closet too. (Yes, I'm scaredy cat.)

At first, I liked/loved the Gilmore Girls. After a while, something started to annoy me. The banter that at first seemed witty and cute, started to seem rushed and frantic. They talked soooo fast! It seemed like almost every line was delivered like a punch line. It was like a non-violent female 3 Stooges movie.

The flawed and annoying characters, lack of chemistry, whining of the well-to-do, etc. didn't bother me. It was the way they delivered their lines.

I wish I had enjoyed the show more, because I did like the premise and can see why it was so popular.

jeepcurlygurl

I guess I see a big difference between finding a show annoying or irritating and hating it.
In the case of many shows I love, I end up being annoyed after a few years because they drag them on too long and ruin them. This is one of those shows along with X Files, Lost, How I Met Your Mother, Desperate Housewives, Friends, on and on. I sometimes stop watching for a year or so and then come back especially to see a series finale.
But when I hate a show I just can't watch it. That doesn't happen as often as shows that I just find boring or annoying, but it does happen. I couldn't make it through 1 whole episode of Mad Men. I hated it so much.

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FieryCurls

I love the show. I have probably seen all episodes a million and my husband got me all of the seasons on DVD for our first wedding anniversary. I went through all of the episodes one after the other during my husband's deployment after my daugher would go to bed.

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My daughter loved it.

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juicyfruit

I've seen the guy who played Logan's father in several things, including a small part on Firefly. He played a sheriff in a town that needed medical supplies that the Firefly crew had stolen.

wild_sasparilla

I think Rory was always the ultimate perfect privileged wish fulfillment character. From what I recall of the early seasons (I remain unsure of what happened when because I just sort of saw it whenever I saw it; while it was actually on, I guess I was too young for it - I remember finding it boring), things only went wrong for her when it was time to have a freakout monologue and prove by exception just how perfect she otherwise was. Watching the show for me was pretty much about wishing I could be Rory, in addition to finding the Gilmores' rich people problems absolutely mesmerizing. They had such low stakes that there was no need to get invested and they were so bizarre that I loved seeing what the next big thing was going to be. Don't trip, debutantes! Leave no tray without shrimp puffs! FEAR THE COVERT SNOBBY INSULT!!

Rory's problems were such anti-problems, too. Like, I'm sure they weren't fun for her, but with such worries as "Oh dear, my grandparents keep trying to give me money to pay for all of my expensive hopes and dreams, and now my father has decided to do the same now that he's come into some money! How could I possibly accept their offers?" and "Why must ALL of the hot boys like me??", her life looked awfully attractive. In fact, I think it kind of annoyed me when she started being fallible, which they basically showed by making her do jerky things, because it was like, "No, show, I didn't ask for this. She's not that likable as a person. Give me my dream life placeholder back!" I wonder how much of my hate for the last season episodes I saw actually came from everyone being a jerk and the writing quality tanking and how much came from the lack of my Perfect School Life Rory Doll. I've thought a few times that it might be good to revisit the show once I get my blog going, because I do wonder what it would be like to watch it all chronologically and have a viewing experience that isn't inextricably tied to wishing I got to wear a pleated skirt and tie to school everyday.

I definitely don't agree about Milo Ventimiglia, at least when he was on the show. I can't even remember any lines he said. It would be impossible to disagree about the show's whiteness, though, lol. Looks like Bunheads will be the same way.

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wild~hair

I didn't see Rory's life as all that perfect. I mean, yes, it's a TV show, so, duh, of course it's more perfect because of that. And sure, her grandparents were wealthy, but they weren't in her life at all until just as the show started. It was just Rory and Lorelai until then, with single mom Lorelai starting out as a maid at the hotel and them living in a one-room cabin on the hotel property. She worked her way up, as did Rory.

When Rory first started attending Chilton, she was pretty much a social outcast and struggled with the accelerated curriculum. They portrayed her -- again, as realistically as can be expected for a mainstream TV show, I thought -- studying pretty much constantly and working her azz off. Keeping her chin up despite being surrounded by brattiness. I liked that she was a bookworm with really good taste in music who could escape into her own world. That's how I used to deal, too.

Suffice to say, I liked this show. I like the snappy dialog, the constant music and cultural references (most people miss them, they are very fast and very subtle). The strongly feminist undertones. I identified in more recent watchings with the strained relationship between Emily and Lorelai, as it reminds me a lot of my relationship with my own mom as I get older. I also identify with having a childhood of (relative) wealth contrasted with a sudden and dramatic drop in income that often comes with a single parent household. I also experienced working one's way -- both parent and kid -- out of that situation, like the show's characters.

Dean was safe and boring, Logan was arrogant but interesting, and Jess was her "bad boy," she had to have one of those. I also like Luke and thought there was plenty of chemistry there. It wasn't white hot but it wasn't supposed to be, it wasn't that kind of relationship.

wild~hair

Also, I find really compelling the character of Lorelai, who as a 16-year-old, names her kid after herself. So common in the male line of families and so rare in the female line and this young mom says, "**** it, I'm going to do that." I like that character's spunk and that detail is a great example of it.

CurlyEyes

I'm sure there are legitimate criticisms of the show, but I guess I never thought about it too deeply. it's just such a fluffy show! hating it is like hating a giant fluffy bunny for being fluffy and a bunny.

also I kind of lost interest around season 4-5, so the Gilmore Girls in my mind is forever suspended in the time when Rory was in high school and she was dating Jess and Luke and Lorelai were still in that trying-to-figure-it-out stage. I think that was when the show was at it's best.

and I totally believe that Jess and Rory got together after the show was over, and nothing can convince me otherwise.

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wild_sasparilla

I will totally equate Gilmore Girls with a fluffy bunny - or like a show comprised of cute videos of fluffy bunnies, because that makes me wish I had one, just like I wished I could wear the Chilton uniform and live in the cute little town...even though I later found that my reaction to small towns was more "OMG I'M TRAPPED IN A BOX" just visiting. That likely wouldn't be the case with a town like Stars Hollow, though, because they seemed really close to other cities and towns. It's the being at the end of a road so long you could get in an accident and bleed out and not be found for days thing that really freaks me out.

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iroc

I like the fluffy bunny concept.

Sure it was unreal in many ways, but so what. It was cute and entertaining and that was supposed to be the point.

I like the way Loralei was so blatantly fighting her family and her background and expected her daughter to do the same, but she kind of fell into it. As Rory grew up there was friction between mother and daughter, because your kids are going to take on their own personalities no matter what you do.

I also think it was interesting that they put in the twist of even though Loralei put so much effort in she and her daughter being close friends, as soon as 'boys' entered the picture, their relationship changed.

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juicyfruit

I loved that too, but there was a grandmother named Lorelai Gilmore, played by Marion Ross.

I actually liked the college years more than the Chilton years. It was more real.

M2LR

There aren't too many shows that I take seriously, and this was one of them.

I watch TV and movies, read books for the escapism part.

I analyze too much IRL, so something that allows me to escape from that is awesome.

I love the quick and witty banter and I like the fact that although Rory and Lorelai come from that back ground, they are still working hard. Lorelai rarely takes handouts from anyone and recognizes her choices and that they were hers.

I liked that they showed Rory studying and working hard while she was at Chilton and Harvard (?).

It's a good show that makes me laugh. I liked Jess, I always wished that something ore would happen with Rory and Jess, but it never did. Logan was meh, and I liked Dean, but didn't think it would work out long term.

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inheritedcurls

I love this show...still tivo it now and then...watch it from beginning to end..drives hubby nutso's. LOL

I will say the only season...i still hate was the season she quit Harvard...lived with her grandparents and didn't speak to her mom... I almost can hardly stand that season....

iroc

That season made me so mad too. But I took it as her going through a 'bad' phase when she'd always worked so hard at being good.

There were a lot of good points of a child growing up in that show.

I loved Lorelai and Rory's relationship. And I love Stars Hollow. My mom and bf know that I'm waiting to find the 'real' Stars Hollow so I can move there.



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M2LR

I'd totally move there, too.

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juicyfruit

You mean Yale. She went to Yale.

As I recall Rory went on that downward spiral because of being rejected by Logan's parents. I thought that was significant to her growth.

kstan

I love this show.

BF's little sister Tvo'd all of them. She still watches them everyday.

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wild~hair

Yeah, Trix. I guess I was more referring to naming one's very daughter after oneself. Having a "family name" is pretty common, as with of Trix/grandmother and Lorelai/granddaughter. But it is usually only boys who are named after their fathers.