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Old 08-11-2012, 09:50 PM   #21
 
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I notice the boys who are getting these girls pregnant aren't being kicked out.

What a ****ing surprise.

I'm too tired. I cannot think about stuff like this without getting too angry to type.
At the HS I graduated from if you were found out to be pregnant, BOTH were asked to leave, not just the girl. Granted, this is only 1 school, but I think that if you are going to kick them out, it had better be both of them.
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That infuriates me!!

If I am not mistaken the public high school in my town "urges" girls to a charter/public school if they get pregnant. It's basically the school for juvenile delinquents.

Some schools might want to consider more education for students. I know one high school in TN (and many others in the south) hardly has a female student who is not pregnant. Many girls there make pregnancy pacts. It might be wise to have past graduates/current parents speak to the student body, in those situations, but no one should be tossed. That is intolerable.


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I notice the boys who are getting these girls pregnant aren't being kicked out.

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Isn't education meant to be for all? I cannot think of any reason why pregnant girls cannot get an education too. None whatsoever.

It strikes me as ironic, that the kind of people who would most likely be ok with kicking young pregnant girls out of schools, would later be the same people that moan about their taxes going towards the benefits said mother and child would get to help with housing and food - because its going to be damn hard for any young single mother to find work, let alone find a good paying job without having finished school.

I also don't know how old these girls are - but in the UK the age of consent is 16. I don't think any girl should be singled out and looked down on for her sexual choices (I may personally feel they are too young to be having sex, they may even be legally too young to be having sex, but throwing them out of school is hardly the answer is it). But if they are 16 - regardless of how you (gy) feel, there's really not much you can do about it, except help, support and guide them and making damn sure that young people get an education not only after pregnancy, but before hand as well. Too many young women and men don't receive a good sex education to begin with.

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Isn't education meant to be for all? I cannot think of any reason why pregnant girls cannot get an education too. None whatsoever.

It strikes me as ironic, that the kind of people who would most likely be ok with kicking young pregnant girls out of schools, would later be the same people that moan about their taxes going towards the benefits said mother and child would get to help with housing and food - because its going to be damn hard for any young single mother to find work, let alone find a good paying job without having finished school.

I also don't know how old these girls are - but in the UK the age of consent is 16. I don't think any girl should be singled out and looked down on for her sexual choices (I may personally feel they are too young to be having sex, they may even be legally too young to be having sex, but throwing them out of school is hardly the bloody answer is it). But if they are 16 - regardless of how you (gy) feel, there's really not much you can do about it, except help, support and guide them and making damn sure that young people get an education not only after pregnancy, but before hand as well. Too many young women and men don't receive a good sex education to begin with.
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That is ridiculous!

A girl in my high school got pregnant TWICE during her 51/2 years and the school never asked her to leave. She had to repeat what she missed. If a school in rural Maine can be progressive, I see no reason why others cannot.
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I notice the boys who are getting these girls pregnant aren't being kicked out.

What a ****ing surprise.

I'm too tired. I cannot think about stuff like this without getting too angry to type.
At the HS I graduated from if you were found out to be pregnant, BOTH were asked to leave, not just the girl. Granted, this is only 1 school, but I think that if you are going to kick them out, it had better be both of them.
Again, illegal.
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I notice the boys who are getting these girls pregnant aren't being kicked out.

What a ****ing surprise.

I'm too tired. I cannot think about stuff like this without getting too angry to type.
At the HS I graduated from if you were found out to be pregnant, BOTH were asked to leave, not just the girl. Granted, this is only 1 school, but I think that if you are going to kick them out, it had better be both of them.
How did they prove the fathers were the fathers?
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I notice the boys who are getting these girls pregnant aren't being kicked out.

What a ****ing surprise.

I'm too tired. I cannot think about stuff like this without getting too angry to type.
At the HS I graduated from if you were found out to be pregnant, BOTH were asked to leave, not just the girl. Granted, this is only 1 school, but I think that if you are going to kick them out, it had better be both of them.
Again, illegal.
Not at a private school, which is where I think SaraNoH went. But at a public or charter school, absolutely.
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I notice the boys who are getting these girls pregnant aren't being kicked out.

What a ****ing surprise.

I'm too tired. I cannot think about stuff like this without getting too angry to type.
At the HS I graduated from if you were found out to be pregnant, BOTH were asked to leave, not just the girl. Granted, this is only 1 school, but I think that if you are going to kick them out, it had better be both of them.
How did they prove the fathers were the fathers?

Really. Some of these girls might not even know who impregnated them. And some might not want to tell. Or might want to implicate someone else.

And besides, since when is two high school drop outs better than one?
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At the HS I graduated from if you were found out to be pregnant, BOTH were asked to leave, not just the girl. Granted, this is only 1 school, but I think that if you are going to kick them out, it had better be both of them.
How did they prove the fathers were the fathers?

Really. Some of these girls might not even know who impregnated them. And some might not want to tell. Or might want to implicate someone else.

And besides, since when is two high school drop outs better than one?

I absolutely don't think the girls should be asked to leave, but I don't see how it is at all logical to ask the boys to do so. At least with the girls, it is obvious that they are pregnant (I am not saying they should be kicked out though!) but short of an expensive DNA test, you'd be kicking the boys out on someone else's word, who can be mistaken, or act vindictively against someone else or whatever. And people aren't necessarily getting pregnant with people at the same school, either. I would also think that a policy like that would make it even less likely that a teen father would take responsibility for his child so I can't see how it is a good idea.

At my private religious school, pregnant girls were never asked to leave, but I think generally they did leave on their own. I can't say whether that was subtle pressure from the school, their parents' disappointment in them so that they no longer wanted to pay fees, their parents' anger at the school for allowing it to happen, that they felt they would fit in better elsewhere as a teen parent, that they themselves were dealing with a lot and couldn't focus on school, or that they needed a less demanding academic program. Probably a combination of these factors. There was one girl who stuck it out and did quite well academically, and while there was some gossip, my recollection is that most people admired her. She got some kind of award at graduation.

There was another school in my area that had an excellent program for teen mothers. They continued in school as normal until they gave birth, allowing for medical needs if required, and took off some time after the birth, and then when the child was a few months old, or whenever they were ready, they returned. There was an infant lab which served as a day care. The babies went there while the mothers had class and staff members who were qualified child care providers watched them. The mothers could come in at their breaks to nurse the babies and this was encouraged.

A class in infant care and development was offered which was mandatory for the mothers and the fathers, if known and students at that school, and was optional for other students. They all learned about healthy coping strategies for parents and so on, and those children were real life examples that the students could "use" to do diaper changes and the like.

If anything, the point at which she becomes a mother is a pivotal moment in a young girl's life because, depending upon the support she receives, it can be the time she really steps it up and gets it together for her child, or it can be the time she is doomed to a life of struggle. I think most new mothers are very motivated to do well for their children and schools should be trying to take advantage of this impulse. I also completely agree with kat that on top of all the other struggles they will have, the last thing that teen moms need is to be denied an education and shamed. And likely the people doing this are the same ones against social assistance, etc. - so what exactly do they expect these girls to do?
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Anyone hear of this new show?

'High School Moms' to premiere on Sunday | 9news.com

I saw clips, it suppose to be about a shool trying to keep the teen mom's in school. from the preview and doesn't seem to have the drama that "teen mom" or whatever its called seems to have.
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How did they prove the fathers were the fathers?

Really. Some of these girls might not even know who impregnated them. And some might not want to tell. Or might want to implicate someone else.

And besides, since when is two high school drop outs better than one?

I absolutely don't think the girls should be asked to leave, but I don't see how it is at all logical to ask the boys to do so. At least with the girls, it is obvious that they are pregnant (I am not saying they should be kicked out though!) but short of an expensive DNA test, you'd be kicking the boys out on someone else's word, who can be mistaken, or act vindictively against someone else or whatever. And people aren't necessarily getting pregnant with people at the same school, either. I would also think that a policy like that would make it even less likely that a teen father would take responsibility for his child so I can't see how it is a good idea.

At my private religious school, pregnant girls were never asked to leave, but I think generally they did leave on their own. I can't say whether that was subtle pressure from the school, their parents' disappointment in them so that they no longer wanted to pay fees, their parents' anger at the school for allowing it to happen, that they felt they would fit in better elsewhere as a teen parent, that they themselves were dealing with a lot and couldn't focus on school, or that they needed a less demanding academic program. Probably a combination of these factors. There was one girl who stuck it out and did quite well academically, and while there was some gossip, my recollection is that most people admired her. She got some kind of award at graduation.

There was another school in my area that had an excellent program for teen mothers. They continued in school as normal until they gave birth, allowing for medical needs if required, and took off some time after the birth, and then when the child was a few months old, or whenever they were ready, they returned. There was an infant lab which served as a day care. The babies went there while the mothers had class and staff members who were qualified child care providers watched them. The mothers could come in at their breaks to nurse the babies and this was encouraged.

A class in infant care and development was offered which was mandatory for the mothers and the fathers, if known and students at that school, and was optional for other students. They all learned about healthy coping strategies for parents and so on, and those children were real life examples that the students could "use" to do diaper changes and the like.

If anything, the point at which she becomes a mother is a pivotal moment in a young girl's life because, depending upon the support she receives, it can be the time she really steps it up and gets it together for her child, or it can be the time she is doomed to a life of struggle. I think most new mothers are very motivated to do well for their children and schools should be trying to take advantage of this impulse. I also completely agree with kat that on top of all the other struggles they will have, the last thing that teen moms need is to be denied an education and shamed. And likely the people doing this are the same ones against social assistance, etc. - so what exactly do they expect these girls to do?
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I think homeschooling is a good option for pregnant teens, but I don't think it should be forced. And yes if they are going to expel the girl the boy should be expelled to.
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I think homeschooling is a good option for pregnant teens, but I don't think it should be forced. And yes if they are going to expel the girl the boy should be expelled to.
Why is it a good option? Who's going to do the homeschooling?
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I was thinking along the lines of public school at home. Here we have OHVA and ECOT. Everything is free and students are even provided a computer. Virtual classrooms and the students could work their own schedules. It's a great option for those girls who want to keep their babies and want to take care if them.
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I was thinking along the lines of public school at home. Here we have OHVA and ECOT. Everything is free and students are even provided a computer. Virtual classrooms and the students could work their own schedules. It's a great option for those girls who want to keep their babies and want to take care if them.
I think that for some girls, that might be a good choice for a while if they are in a home environment conducive to studying and/or take their program very slowly, and it is the first few months of their baby's life. A lot of people think as long as you are "at home", you can parent children and work at the same time. In my experience, that works only for a limited time with a so-called "good" baby. At some point, you're still going to need child care / support to get significant work done. My other concern would be the lack of social interaction and contact with peers their age - it could feel isolating. Coming to school seems to me to be a good way to track how mother and baby are doing. Having them isolated at home could be troubling. I think the concept is a good idea though, if monitored properly.
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I was thinking along the lines of public school at home. Here we have OHVA and ECOT. Everything is free and students are even provided a computer. Virtual classrooms and the students could work their own schedules. It's a great option for those girls who want to keep their babies and want to take care if them.
I think that for some girls, that might be a good choice for a while if they are in a home environment conducive to studying and/or take their program very slowly, and it is the first few months of their baby's life. A lot of people think as long as you are "at home", you can parent children and work at the same time. In my experience, that works only for a limited time with a so-called "good" baby. At some point, you're still going to need child care / support to get significant work done. My other concern would be the lack of social interaction and contact with peers their age - it could feel isolating. Coming to school seems to me to be a good way to track how mother and baby are doing. Having them isolated at home could be troubling. I think the concept is a good idea though, if monitored properly.
At the cyber charter school I worked at (and attended) we had a special program for teenage parents (so, both the mother and father), to help support them, as well as hold them accountable. They also had regular meetings, so they could meet up with other students in the program, and their mentors. I would be surprised if most other cyber schools didn't have the same type of program.
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The high school I went to had a bunch of pregnant girls. They had to take a parenting class I think as a part of the young mother's program. After the baby was born you could take it to the church daycare next door while you're in school. They ended up moving the program to another school but if u wanted to transfer you could. If you wanted to stay, cool.

I think if real sex education is taught in school there wouldn't be so many pregnant girls. If there were life classes that taught about how to make good choices about sex, one for boys and girls, kids would be more aware and more careful about sex. A lot of times they just really don't know about all the things that can happen, how easy it is to get pregnant, and how easy it can be to prevent it.

These days many boys aren't taught that if they knock a girl up they are FULLY responsible for that girl and the child they made tgt. That would deter a lot of guys from just sticking it in any girl whose legs are open.
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