Bully Calls News Anchor Fat

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I don't see how this is disagreeing.

The comments made putting someone down automatically puts them in a position of power.

Intentional infliction of mental or physical distress through harassment...etc, etc.... sounds like a very 'dictionary' definition. Whatever. How is calling someone fat at least not an attempt at bullying. Even if the person was self confident and not afflicted by her size, the attempt was still there.



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Originally Posted by iroc
No, comments made putting someone down don't automatically put them in a position of power.

If some homeless, drunk person on the street calls me fat, that does not give them power over me.

If a little child calls me fat, that does not give them power over me.

If my boss calls me fat, he has power over me already and calling me fat is an abuse of such power.
Originally Posted by Amneris
It can. It depends on how you receive the comment. You may not be made to feel intimidated by the homeless man's comment, yet another woman might. Again, the intent of bullying is there. You cannot judge how another person would feel in the same situation.


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Originally Posted by iroc
That has nothing to do w/ systemic power. But yes, drunk homeless men can be scary.
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His name is out there. He's a Wisconsin lawyer and is standing by his letter and offering to help her lose weight.

As if a lawyer is the first person to go to for weight loss advice.
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from The Calgary Herald this morning:

TV anchorwoman Jennifer Livingston of WKBT-TV fights bullying | Calgary Herald
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I think bullying is anytime someone tries to harm someone mentally, physically, emotionally, ect. I remember in the the news when the lady was bullied by the kids on her bus. They made her cry. They may have been kids, but I consider that bullying. They wanted to hurt her and they did.
Wow. I so sick of people using the "healthy role model" argument to justify fat hatred. It's such ********. If she was using extreme measures to keep her weight down then no one would be saying a peep.

Not being super skinny doesn't automatically make one unhealthy. People have issues with fat. Bottom line.

She's beautiful and her body is hardly promoting obesity.
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you know what really gets me about what this guy wrote to her? this part:

Obesity is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain. I leave you this note hoping that you’ll reconsider your responsibility as a local public personality to present and promote a healthy lifestyle.

a choice? CHOICE??????

does he REALLY think that people choose to be an object of contempt and ridicule, because in our society, that's what you are if you're "fat"...

and how does he know she's not healthy?

jerk!

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OMG... the viewer's response to her:

“Given this country’s present epidemic of obesity and the many truly horrible diseases related thereto, and considering Jennifer Livingston’s fortuitous position in the community, I hope she will finally take advantage of a rare and golden opportunity to influence the health and psychological well-being of Coulee Region children by transforming herself for all of her viewers to see over the next year, and, to that end, I would be absolutely pleased to offer Jennifer any advice or support she would be willing to accept.”

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I saw this and someone said to me, "Oh, so now just calling someone fat is a bully?" And my answer was (and this is a discussion we've actually had on this forum): Yes, it's bullying behavior because (1) she knows she fat and therefore he's not telling her anything she doesn't know. (2) The only reason that someone so wholly unconnected to her would tell her she's fat is to be a bully.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Not sure I really agree w/ the above criteria you use to identify bullying behavior.

But I def agree that the person who wrote the letter intended to bully her.

And good for her that she was mentally strong enough to post the letter and call this person out on his/her BS.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
I'm curious, what would you say the criteria are?
Originally Posted by wild~hair
I'm not really sure. While I believe bullying definitely exists and can be utterly devastating to its victims, I also believe that as a society, we have gotten a litte too whiny and are becoming inclined to misidentify all kinds of relatively minor offenses as acts of bullying.

(My 7 year old daughter told someone once she was "mean and acting like a jerk" and my daughter was labeled "a bully" by the bus driver. And this went in her school file. I was like give me a frkn break...)

Clearly, my idea of bullying doesn't jibe w/ what schools are using and what is becoming the common definition.

But when Spring mentioned the above, the first thing that came to mind was stories I'd read in the late Marvin Gaye's biographies where people who interacted w/ him were becoming painfully aware that he was destroying himself with drugs in the early 80s. A couple of industry insiders said they could actually see cocaine around his nose when they spoke to him. And they regret now not trying to intervene in some way to save his life. But according to the above 2-prong definition of bullying, they would have been bullies if they had 1) told him he was abusing drugs when he obviously already knew it and 2) told him he was abusing drugs bc they weren't really connected to him other than a passing professional interaction.

So I think that definition misses the mark in some ways and isn't realy generalizable to every situation.
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and from The Guardian in England:

A fat newscaster's courageous fightback against a bully | Marianne Kirby | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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She's not even fat!!! And seriously dude? Choice of being obese??

Ok. I know there are some folks out there that really dont care about their health ( I have an obese friend who sits around all day and eats fastfood. she knows she's over weight and knows what to do to lose the lbs. She just dont want to, her choice.) But calling them fat is not going to solve anything. it will just make those who are trying to get healthy feel even worst about them selves. Can you image how the 400 lb woman trying to lost wieght and get healthy hearing this story feels? If this man thinks this anchor woman is obese what would he say about the 400 lb woman? this is not cool and mister man might need a smack to the head. Something is not working upstairs!


I don't see how this is disagreeing.

The comments made putting someone down automatically puts them in a position of power.

Intentional infliction of mental or physical distress through harassment...etc, etc.... sounds like a very 'dictionary' definition. Whatever. How is calling someone fat at least not an attempt at bullying. Even if the person was self confident and not afflicted by her size, the attempt was still there.



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Originally Posted by iroc
No, comments made putting someone down don't automatically put them in a position of power.

If some homeless, drunk person on the street calls me fat, that does not give them power over me.

If a little child calls me fat, that does not give them power over me.

If my boss calls me fat, he has power over me already and calling me fat is an abuse of such power.
Originally Posted by Amneris
It can. It depends on how you receive the comment. You may not be made to feel intimidated by the homeless man's comment, yet another woman might. Again, the intent of bullying is there. You cannot judge how another person would feel in the same situation.


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Originally Posted by iroc
I figure some people will feel that the insulter is in a position of power and therefore let them be in power in their mind. But I don't agree that how one feels or takes the comment determines if it's bullying or not. People are oversensitive in my opinion.
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Spider: that's insane!! That little girl could have been trying to bully your daughter, and she just called her on it! by caller your mean was the kiddie way of saying, "Aye, dont try that crap with me!" or "you are being a b*tch right now, cut it!" That is extreme. I dont think its anything wrong with telling someone they are being mean. If anything they should had asked your daughter why she thought that way, not lable her as a bully. some schools piss me off with their rules. smh!
Spider: that's insane!! That little girl could have been trying to bully your daughter, and she just called her on it! by caller your mean was the kiddie way of saying, "Aye, dont try that crap with me!" or "you are being a b*tch right now, cut it!" That is extreme. I dont think its anything wrong with telling someone they are being mean. If anything they should had asked your daughter why she thought that way, not lable her as a bully. some schools piss me off with their rules. smh!
Originally Posted by thelio
That's bc my daugter made the other girl cry when she said it. And her school's ~magic PC criteria~ for IDing bullying is if someone cries. Yes, it is.

And the funny thing was my daughter, busybody drama queen that she is, was just sticking up for some other litte girl, and that's why she told the instigator off.

And I'm not taking my daughter's word for it. The busdriver told me the entire story, admitted the irony...and proceeding to put the incident report in my daughter's file.
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Spider: that's insane!! That little girl could have been trying to bully your daughter, and she just called her on it! by caller your mean was the kiddie way of saying, "Aye, dont try that crap with me!" or "you are being a b*tch right now, cut it!" That is extreme. I dont think its anything wrong with telling someone they are being mean. If anything they should had asked your daughter why she thought that way, not lable her as a bully. some schools piss me off with their rules. smh!
Originally Posted by thelio
That's bc my daugter made the other girl cry when she said it. And her school's ~magic PC criteria~ for IDing bullying is if someone cries. Yes, it is.

And the funny thing was my daughter, busybody drama queen that she is, was just sticking up for some other litte girl, and that's why she told the instigator off.

And I'm not taking my daughter's word for it. The busdriver told me the entire story, admitted the irony...and proceeding to put the incident report in my daughter's file.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Wtf. I'm pretty sure ill explode should I ever have school age children.
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Spider: that's insane!! That little girl could have been trying to bully your daughter, and she just called her on it! by caller your mean was the kiddie way of saying, "Aye, dont try that crap with me!" or "you are being a b*tch right now, cut it!" That is extreme. I dont think its anything wrong with telling someone they are being mean. If anything they should had asked your daughter why she thought that way, not lable her as a bully. some schools piss me off with their rules. smh!
Originally Posted by thelio
That's bc my daugter made the other girl cry when she said it. And her school's ~magic PC criteria~ for IDing bullying is if someone cries. Yes, it is.

And the funny thing was my daughter, busybody drama queen that she is, was just sticking up for some other litte girl, and that's why she told the instigator off.

And I'm not taking my daughter's word for it. The busdriver told me the entire story, admitted the irony...and proceeding to put the incident report in my daughter's file.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
That's insane. Bullying should be addressed but crying is enabled now?? Personally I don't see it beneficial to raise kids to be that soft. As kids unpleasant things are always thrown around. And you are saying it was the crier's fault, that's even worse!
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The female news anchor and her husband, who is also an anchor at the same station, were interviewed on GMA this morning. During the course of the interview, the husband mentioned that his wife exercises regularly, has run marathons and will run one this weekend, and that she has a thyroid condition which makes it difficult for her to lose weight. Yeah. Really a bad role model there. /irony

ETA: I think she's beautiful just the way she is.
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The female news anchor and her husband, who is also an anchor at the same station, were interviewed on GMA this morning. During the course of the interview, the husband mentioned that his wife exercises regularly, has run marathons and will run one this weekend, and that she has a thyroid condition which makes it difficult for her to lose weight. Yeah. Really a bad role model there. /irony

ETA: I think she's beautiful just the way she is.
Originally Posted by B-wavy
Exactly. A persons weight is not always an indicator of their health. I used to be in the fitness industry and saw so many "overweight" women who were in fantastic shape and ate very well. Genetics and other factors also contribute to size and weight.

On the flip side I also knew many women and men who looked like they were in peak condition but ate a very poor diet by health standards and had no cardiovascular ability.

Bottom line is that you can't tell someone's health purely on physical appearance. And using the health argument as a way to hide behind fat hatred is ********. It's not about health it's about not liking fat people.
The female news anchor and her husband, who is also an anchor at the same station, were interviewed on GMA this morning. During the course of the interview, the husband mentioned that his wife exercises regularly, has run marathons and will run one this weekend, and that she has a thyroid condition which makes it difficult for her to lose weight. Yeah. Really a bad role model there. /irony
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Originally Posted by B-wavy
Exactly. A persons weight is not always an indicator of their health. I used to be in the fitness industry and saw so many "overweight" women who were in fantastic shape and ate very well. Genetics and other factors also contribute to size and weight.

On the flip side I also knew many women and men who looked like they were in peak condition but ate a very poor diet by health standards and had no cardiovascular ability.

Bottom line is that you can't tell someone's health purely on physical appearance. And using the health argument as a way to hide behind fat hatred is ********. It's not about health it's about not liking fat people.
Originally Posted by Nej
I recently heard weight shouldn't be the indicator for women...but rather, waist measurement. 35" and under and you're ok.
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Spider: that's insane!! That little girl could have been trying to bully your daughter, and she just called her on it! by caller your mean was the kiddie way of saying, "Aye, dont try that crap with me!" or "you are being a b*tch right now, cut it!" That is extreme. I dont think its anything wrong with telling someone they are being mean. If anything they should had asked your daughter why she thought that way, not lable her as a bully. some schools piss me off with their rules. smh!
Originally Posted by thelio
That's bc my daugter made the other girl cry when she said it. And her school's ~magic PC criteria~ for IDing bullying is if someone cries. Yes, it is.

And the funny thing was my daughter, busybody drama queen that she is, was just sticking up for some other litte girl, and that's why she told the instigator off.

And I'm not taking my daughter's word for it. The busdriver told me the entire story, admitted the irony...and proceeding to put the incident report in my daughter's file.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Wow, Is all i got to say. Just because someone cries doesnt make it a bullying incident. Kids cry. Does not mean they are being bullied. sheesh! i remember a kid in my class would cry if you didnt let him barrow a pencil!

Back on topic: I'm 5 feet and 110lbs. I have had people asked me if i worked out. I do not. I do alot of working, but I have friends who would be viewed as "fat" who is in better shape then I am. I have also friends who with clothes on may appear overweight, but its all muscle. I think this lawyer may have some issues and is just reflecting to this lady who is beautiful imo. Maybe he was dumped by someone who looked like her.
The female news anchor and her husband, who is also an anchor at the same station, were interviewed on GMA this morning. During the course of the interview, the husband mentioned that his wife exercises regularly, has run marathons and will run one this weekend, and that she has a thyroid condition which makes it difficult for her to lose weight. Yeah. Really a bad role model there. /irony
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Originally Posted by B-wavy
Exactly. A persons weight is not always an indicator of their health. I used to be in the fitness industry and saw so many "overweight" women who were in fantastic shape and ate very well. Genetics and other factors also contribute to size and weight.

On the flip side I also knew many women and men who looked like they were in peak condition but ate a very poor diet by health standards and had no cardiovascular ability.

Bottom line is that you can't tell someone's health purely on physical appearance. And using the health argument as a way to hide behind fat hatred is ********. It's not about health it's about not liking fat people.
Originally Posted by Nej
I recently heard weight shouldn't be the indicator for women...but rather, waist measurement. 35" and under and you're ok.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Most of these so-called health measurements are based on the medical model which reduces a person to purely physical measurements. While the waist measurement is better and has been proven to be indicative of certain health conditions it's still not the whole story and shouldn't be used alone in judgement. JMHO.

Many women have a difficult time with belly fat and could be over the measurement but still be in great shape with healthy eating habits versus a slimmer woman who smokes, does drugs and eats fast food. These are obviously extreme cases but just pointing out how looking at someone tells nothing about the person or their life.

I think a better indicator of health is biomarkers combined with a conversation about healthy lifestyle behaviour.

None of which can be seen purely by looking at a person.

The man should have just come out and said he hated fat people and didn't want a fat woman on tv. That's basically what he was saying.

Last edited by Nej; 10-03-2012 at 11:30 AM.

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