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Old 10-03-2012, 11:36 AM   #41
 
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Interesting article about the Livingston situation and the ensuing argument over the definition of bullying: Jennifer Livingston: Commenting on anchor

The name of the viewer who started the whole brouhaha is mentioned in the article too.
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I think it was just your run of the mill misogyny bc he seemes to think any woman in the public eye needs to be conventionally beautiful and befitting of his personal idealized standards. Role model? He means video model.

Just bc she is overweight, she still deserves the opportunity to work and earn a living in her chosen career. Sorry that her job description does not include the duties of window dressing, eye candy or wet dream.
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most of the response you see to news stories about this is of this variety:

Shes is sending the wrong message Obesity is a choice,.colour of your skin, disabilities, and acne on your face IS NOT. Stop eating junk every day and go do some physical activity, that's what she should be saying to young people. And its not just a personal issue when it affects us ALL. Who’s paying for people with health problems due to being over weight? tax payers.... put the burger down and go for a jog.

there is more of this out there than support for Ms Livingston's message.

it's sick and it's sad.

i get 30 minutes of exercise every day and my desk right now is covered in fresh fruit, there are no cookies, candies, ice cream or chips in my house.

and i'm still fat.

and i go through contortions of self-loathing every single day because i know that the world only sees a grotesque fat person with no self-control.
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]Wow. I so sick of people using the "healthy role model" argument to justify fat hatred. It's such ********. If she was using extreme measures to keep her weight down then no one would be saying a peep. [/B]

Not being super skinny doesn't automatically make one unhealthy. People have issues with fat. Bottom line.

She's beautiful and her body is hardly promoting obesity.
This really resonates with me.

Very good point.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:27 PM   #45
 
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I'm fat. I'm 175 and 5'2. I would like very much to lose 20 pounds. But Even if I lost 20 pounds I'd still be fat. 5'2 and 155 is fat.

HOWEVER, I know I'm in better shape than so many women who are much thinner than I am. You can't skate 25 laps if under 5 minutes (4:37 last time I was tested) if you're not in shape.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:19 PM   #46
 
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I'm fat. I'm 175 and 5'2. I would like very much to lose 20 pounds. But Even if I lost 20 pounds I'd still be fat. 5'2 and 155 is fat.

HOWEVER, I know I'm in better shape than so many women who are much thinner than I am. You can't skate 25 laps if under 5 minutes (4:37 last time I was tested) if you're not in shape.

I wouldn't say 5.2, 155 is fat. Overweight, yes. I'm 5.2 and 140. I'm not fat. I'm not supermodel thin, but I'm nowhere near fat. I eat very healthy. I exercise an hour a day, 3 to 5 times a week.

The lowest I've weighed was 120. I drank a lot of alcohol, I did drugs, I went days at a time without eating. I was very unhealthy. I was very thin.

Different weight on different bodies is just different.



Definitely people can be healthy and still be whats considered 'overweight' by societies standards.


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I loved Jennifer Livingston! I think she's a class-act. She got her point across without being overly-emotional or resorting to insults.

And hey.... do you know who her brother is? I'll give you a hint:

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Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anyone ever say to you, "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays?"
Yes, our beloved Peter Gibbons from Office Space--Ron Livingston.

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I loved Jennifer Livingston! I think she's a class-act. She got her point across without being overly-emotional or resorting to insults.

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Yes, our beloved Peter Gibbons from Office Space--Ron Livingston.


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I loved Jennifer Livingston! I think she's a class-act. She got her point across without being overly-emotional or resorting to insults.

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Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anyone ever say to you, "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays?"
Yes, our beloved Peter Gibbons from Office Space--Ron Livingston.

I love that movie! I have it on my Netflix queue.
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I think for someone who is 5/2 the range is quite wide; from 110 to 130, I believe.
I think just so one is in the BMI range.
I do not know what the stats are of this particular anchorwoman.
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I loved Jennifer Livingston! I think she's a class-act. She got her point across without being overly-emotional or resorting to insults.

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Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anyone ever say to you, "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays?"
Yes, our beloved Peter Gibbons from Office Space--Ron Livingston.

I love it! That is a classic.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:51 PM   #52
 
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If you haven't seen the guy, here he is:

'Jennifer Livingston': 'I'll help her lose weight': The lawyer who attacked 'fat' news anchor is revealed to be a fitness fanatic | Mail Online

He can go and and on about what he thinks about health and "role models", but I think what this really comes down to is he's someone who just doesn't like "fat" people, and doesn't want to see them on TV - especially not a fat chick.
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I saw this today, and I LOVED IT! I was proud of her and I don't even know her and have never seen here before!

And who cares of she's overweight? Let's look at how she reports the news, shall we? I'm sure if she were a male overweight reported she'd not be getting the same scrutiny.
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No, because a pompous douchebag man like that probably wouldn't judge a man in the same way.
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I don't see how this is disagreeing.

The comments made putting someone down automatically puts them in a position of power.

Intentional infliction of mental or physical distress through harassment...etc, etc.... sounds like a very 'dictionary' definition. Whatever. How is calling someone fat at least not an attempt at bullying. Even if the person was self confident and not afflicted by her size, the attempt was still there.



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No, comments made putting someone down don't automatically put them in a position of power.

If some homeless, drunk person on the street calls me fat, that does not give them power over me.

If a little child calls me fat, that does not give them power over me.

If my boss calls me fat, he has power over me already and calling me fat is an abuse of such power.
It can. It depends on how you receive the comment. You may not be made to feel intimidated by the homeless man's comment, yet another woman might. Again, the intent of bullying is there. You cannot judge how another person would feel in the same situation.


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I think bullying is determined by the intent of the person said to be doing it, though.

If the homeless man is too intoxicated to even know what he's saying, he's not trying to intimidate me - he's just rambling incoherently and not intending to mean.

If the child is too young to know about tact and social graces, they're just stating what they see as a fact - you're fat - and not trying to hurt anyone.

If my boss calls me fat at a meeting in front of co-workers with the intent to mock or humiliate or embarass, this is bullying

Just because you don't like someone's comment, or the comment is rude or insensitive or inappropriate or intimidating or pushes your buttons, doesn't make it "bullying."
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I saw this and someone said to me, "Oh, so now just calling someone fat is a bully?" And my answer was (and this is a discussion we've actually had on this forum): Yes, it's bullying behavior because (1) she knows she fat and therefore he's not telling her anything she doesn't know. (2) The only reason that someone so wholly unconnected to her would tell her she's fat is to be a bully.
She does? She doesn't look fat to me...
Huh? She said it in the video. I'm not making a value judgment.

And that's my problem with the whole thing. "Fat" is a negative, bad, horrible word in our culture, especially when it's directed at women. By a) giving this nonsense the dignity of a response and b) characterizing herself as fat, she's feeding the madness about weight that women are subjected to, potentially making other women her size or bigger feel bad, and legitimizing the idea that a woman's body is fair game for public discussion, even if it's discussing how mean other people are for bringing it up. This is something that should never have been dignified with a response.
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I think bullying is anytime someone tries to harm someone mentally, physically, emotionally, ect. I remember in the the news when the lady was bullied by the kids on her bus. They made her cry. They may have been kids, but I consider that bullying. They wanted to hurt her and they did.
There, the power was that there were so many more of them than her... and didn't she have some kind of mental disability? And they were bigger kids (teens/pre-teens) if I recall. Plus their intention was definitely to inflict harm. So yes, I would say that that was bullying.
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Although I am not sure this is a case of bullying, the guy is certainly a rude, nasty, misogynist.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:54 PM   #59
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To me bullying is more than just a mean or rude comment. It's systematic.

I don't think that guy was being a bully, just a rude ignorant dick.
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While whether this was a case of bullying or not is debatable, I do agree that the guy was a douche. You can't tell if someone is healthy just by looking at them. As we speak, I'm technically 3.5 pounds overweight by some standards (thanks to the Pill) but I exercise 3-5 times a week and eat fairly well. I'm in better shape than some people that are thinner than me who don't exercise and eat junk food all the time. They also did a mandatory biometric screening at my job recently and I tested normal for everything else-I don't have high blood sugar so I don't have diabetes, I don't have high cholesterol, I don't have high blood pressure, etc. It's just my weight that was above some standard.
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