Obama - Romney debate - Page 12

Amneris · 10-05-2012, 08:45 AM

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Alright, well I saw that said and it didn't get delivered in carefully rehearsed zinger style to me. I know what you're talking about, and it truly didn't have that 'feel' to me.

And again, the incentive to take a dig like that would have to be incredibly low, so low that there's way more compelling disincentive.

I guess the retort to that is that there's so many racists in America that I underestimate how Romney would find it advantageous to play to them.

Which basically ends the argument...because there's damning absolutes being accepted without question.

"My boys" aside, I thought the point he was making was more mean than called for. You can dig at someone's credibility in less blanketed ways....ways that don't make it sound like you believe this is your opponents character all around. ...They're just a liar. In British politics that would fit in fine, but Americans are usually more civil.

Of course there is incentive for Romney to use this type of coded racial language.

1. It's red meat for his base.
2. It serves to degrade Obama.
3. It helps keep white voters who might be considering voting for Obama in line by reminding them, subtly, that Obama is "other".
4. Regular white folks aren't likely to notice this type of racial insult, so there is little chance of being called out on it.
5. Minority folks who do notice, aren't likely to be paid attention to if they complain about the racial insult, because Romney has plausible deniability.

That's why it's important for regular white folks who do notice to say something and not just dismiss it as a ridiculous claim.

Wow, seriously?

There is just NO way he didn't have racist intentions in making that point and mentioning "my boys" in the process?

Most people didn't take it how you did because they're not sensitive enough to see it. It can't be that most people didn't notice it that way because it very likely was not at all intended that way?

It's an insidious charge to lay up against someone so boldly yet close-mindedly.

Is out of the realm of possibility he meant it how it phased you? Nope.

And that's the rational way to look at it. Not....that's how he meant with 100% certainty, thus he's unquestionably guilty of being a grade A racist ass**** on account of that remark.

If you notice, in your list of incentive for him to mean it that way, you have it hemmed up erring on the extreme opposite side of the 'benefit of the doubt.'

You recognize that he has "plausible deniability" but only in a nefarious sense. You know this, I take it, because you're inside his head. You're making the suspect fit the "crime."

Context is everything. If you look at the whole history of Romney and his campaign, it is more likely than not that there was a racial implication, whether conscious or unconscious (I don't disagree with RCW's list, but would add #6 to it: He doesn't even know he did it because it's what subconsciously comes out when faced with a Black opponent - he just assumes that he's superior and is naturally condescending / patronizing, etc.)

thelio · 10-05-2012, 08:45 AM

i didnt look at the "boy" comment as racial. I looked at it like, "did you just compare the POTUS to your children?" To me that was condescending. You should not be viewing the president on the same level as your children.

Now that he his backing away form his previous comments about the 47%, someone with commom sense would realize he cant be trusted. He said something, which he cannot deny saying it was on camera, he stood by it at first, now "oh no thats not what i meant at all" Yeah ok. I was born at night, but not last night. You said it, you meant it, be a man and stand by it. Be honest for once!

thelio · 10-05-2012, 09:03 AM

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I think it would serve him very well. This kind of stuff isn't supposed to be clear to everyone. That's the way it works. Have you heard of the "nobody likes Mondays" thing? It's code. It's been that way for centuries.

Wait, what does "nobody likes Mondays" really mean? I just thought it meant nobody likes Mondays.

I never knew until nc.com. i guess i'm too young to know this. every monday says this or something similar. i dont think anyone around here knows its a racial slur or at least just dont recognize it as one.

xcptnl · 10-05-2012, 09:07 AM

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Honestly Mitt has said worse...
"no one has asked to see my birth certificate"

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

"I'm running for office, for Pete's sake, I can't have illegals."

"So, Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago."

"had [my father] been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

Now that you mention it there's nothing remotely racist in his tone, words, or anything else. I'll keep giving him the benefit of the doubt until he walks up to me & spits in my face.

Every teardrop is a waterfall

Yes, that would be confirmation of legitimate racism.

I would prefer to give Romney the benefit of a doubt. But that is definitely gone after all the stuff he's said in this campaign. And that's not even considering the alleged assault of that kid at private school.

Now he's saying he didn't mean what he said about the 47%. After sticking by his comments. And you know what? People are LINED UP waiting to forgive him, even if he DID direct his comments at them...basically called them parasites! Because he didn't actually mean it that way, no! Not at all:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ong/?hpt=hp_t1

Incredible. To steal from SuburbanBushBabes' comments I recall from years ago: republicans spin like tops.

I miss SBB

OBB · 10-05-2012, 09:19 AM

falling jobless rate should negate Mitt's bounce

CocoT · 10-05-2012, 09:56 AM

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Honestly Mitt has said worse...
"no one has asked to see my birth certificate"

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

"I'm running for office, for Pete's sake, I can't have illegals."

"So, Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago."

"had [my father] been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

Now that you mention it there's nothing remotely racist in his tone, words, or anything else. I'll keep giving him the benefit of the doubt until he walks up to me & spits in my face.

Every teardrop is a waterfall

Yes, that would be confirmation of legitimate racism.

I would prefer to give Romney the benefit of a doubt. But that is definitely gone after all the stuff he's said in this campaign. And that's not even considering the alleged assault of that kid at private school.

Now he's saying he didn't mean what he said about the 47%. After sticking by his comments. And you know what? People are LINED UP waiting to forgive him, even if he DID direct his comments at them...basically called them parasites! Because he didn't actually mean it that way, no! Not at all:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ong/?hpt=hp_t1

Incredible. To steal from SuburbanBushBabes' comments I recall from years ago: republicans spin like tops.

Romney is so desperate to become president just for namesake that he will say and do anything. He ain't sorry. Two weeks later and he calls himself apologizing. After he stood by the statement. After his backing pundits defended his statement. After he mercilessly criticized Obama for "apologizing". He doesn't care about people. His campaign, his desperate entitled nature and his career history show that without a doubt.

Now Romney wants to be sorry about something. How convenient. Right after the debate he is considered to have won despite all the lies he told, he comes out with an apology.

Smh.

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ss40 · 10-05-2012, 10:35 AM

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I think it would serve him very well. This kind of stuff isn't supposed to be clear to everyone. That's the way it works. Have you heard of the "nobody likes Mondays" thing? It's code. It's been that way for centuries.

Wait, what does "nobody likes Mondays" really mean? I just thought it meant nobody likes Mondays.

I never knew until nc.com. i guess i'm too young to know this. every someone says this or something similar. i dont think anyone around here knows its a racial slur or at least just dont recognize it as one.

This trend seems to be more current than we think & popular in the northern US. It was exposed by a comedian in 2008. It was used by young people for years based on comments I read below an article on the subject. Ppl know about it.

I find it funny that ppl can spew hate in a way that they hope doesn't get them physically assaulted. So you're scared of the ramifications of being racist but you still want to say racist things? Um stand up, get your butt kicked move on. I can deal with a racist who stays away from the ppl they don't like (really limits where you can go daily) more than one who hangs out with the ppl they hate & spew hate under veiled references.

Every teardrop is a waterfall

thelio · 10-05-2012, 10:57 AM

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Wait, what does "nobody likes Mondays" really mean? I just thought it meant nobody likes Mondays.

I never knew until nc.com. i guess i'm too young to know this. every someone says this or something similar. i dont think anyone around here knows its a racial slur or at least just dont recognize it as one.

This trend seems to be more current than we think & popular in the northern US. It was exposed by a comedian in 2008. It was used by young people for years based on comments I read below an article on the subject. Ppl know about it.

I find it funny that ppl can spew hate in a way that they hope doesn't get them physically assaulted. So you're scared of the ramifications of being racist but you still want to say racist things? Um stand up, get your butt kicked move on. I can deal with a racist who stays away from the ppl they don't like (really limits where you can go daily) more than one who hangs out with the ppl they hate & spew hate under veiled references.

Every teardrop is a waterfall

it's recent? didnt know that. I just asked a few co-workers and they had no clue either. Maybe we too old?

IMO this slur is confusing and I really don't know what to think about it. If I heard someone say it, I wouldnt assume they were racists. Everyone I know hate Mondays because its the first day of the week and you got 4 more left. Just this monday I looked at my co-worker with my droopy eyes and said, "I hate Monday's" to which she replied, "Everyone hates Mondays, find me someone who does like them." We were actually talking about Monday!

ss40 · 10-05-2012, 12:04 PM

Lol. I think that's the point. Its the inside joke you are not in on & are the butt of. Drug dealers do similar things. Terms like "chiefing" "dime" "hot". Homophobes say things like "choir boy". We are aware of these terms because of where we are from, who we encounter, etc. I didn't know about it but I saw the comments & said oh. Now I know. If I see it in person I'm going to be floored. I'm going to know what type of ppl I'm around. It won't be a Monday, to avoid confusion.lol.

Every teardrop is a waterfall

iroc · 10-05-2012, 12:20 PM

The reference goes like, nobody likes Mondays. Everyone knows that. Replace the word Monday with racial slur. Because obviously everyone knows that. Like they're the same thing.

And people love having inside jokes that others don't understand. Makes them feel important, better, they know something the other person doesn't, etc.

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thelio · 10-05-2012, 12:36 PM

Yeah, I just looked it up. Russle Peters made it popular. I know him because a friend is a fan. He is 24, I guess I'm too young to be in on it, which i guess is a good thing.

If you dont like me, say it to my face, dont call me a Monday, I would be so confused, just be old school so I know what you mean and I can decide rather I need to slap you!

side note: I still dont like mondays, I dont like sundays either because I know the next day I have to wake up early and start the crappy week all over again.

curlylaura · 10-05-2012, 12:48 PM

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KookyCurl · 10-05-2012, 04:08 PM

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Maybe Big Bird'll have to go blue again.

GoldenBlaze · 10-05-2012, 04:36 PM

Big Bird and the muppets are doing a "Million Muppet March" on Washington later this month after Romney said he would fire them. They want to ensure that Washington will protect public television and children's Education

http://kfmb.m0bl.net/w/main/story/74876803/

KookyCurl · 10-05-2012, 06:44 PM

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Big Bird and the muppets are doing a "Million Muppet March" on Washington later this month after Romney said he would fire them. They want to ensure that Washington will protect public television and children's Education

CBS 8: Romney's Big Bird comments give rise to Million Muppet March

The Muppets aren't organizing this. Obama supporters are. The Sesame Workshop has issued a statement saying that "We do not comment on political campaigns, but we’re happy we can all agree that everyone likes Big Bird."

Saria · 10-05-2012, 08:25 PM

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Springcurl · 10-06-2012, 12:58 AM

Very nice. http://http://www.addictinginfo.org/...gn-stop-video/

kayb · 10-06-2012, 01:31 AM

Not much to say because I haven't really been following, but there is one thing.

I know Mitt Romney doesn't care about the developing world, but I grew up on Sesame Street. When other kids my age were struggle to list the continents I knew them all thanks to SS. I knew how to be tolerant of other people thanks to SS. Thanks to SS I was ahead of the curve in Primary School. I learnt many things from SS and I am glad that I got the chance to.

I wish I could participate in that march. I firmly believe that were it not for SS I would not be the person I am today.

munchkin · 10-06-2012, 08:00 AM

I don't know what needs cut and what needs kept, but I took Romney's statement as he would look at PBS (along with many things) and, if necessary, cut funds. To me it was just an example. There are a lot of things out there we all love and don't want to lose, but if the money isn't there, the money isn't there. I really don't think Big Bird is going anywhere, and to me it isn't the "big" issue everyone has made it out to be.

One theory the unemployment rate dropped so much is because in reality the unemployed are still there, they have just given up looking. Jack Welch told Anderson Cooper last night he questions the new unemployment numbers wondering how they could have dropped that much that fast. I'm not sure who to believe on this one.

RedCatWaves · 10-06-2012, 11:41 AM

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I don't know what needs cut and what needs kept, but I took Romney's statement as he would look at PBS (along with many things) and, if necessary, cut funds. To me it was just an example. There are a lot of things out there we all love and don't want to lose, but if the money isn't there, the money isn't there. I really don't think Big Bird is going anywhere, and to me it isn't the "big" issue everyone has made it out to be.

One theory the unemployment rate dropped so much is because in reality the unemployed are still there, they have just given up looking. Jack Welch told Anderson Cooper last night he questions the new unemployment numbers wondering how they could have dropped that much that fast. I'm not sure who to believe on this one.

Do you really not pay attention to politics? Or do you only use one particular partisan source for your information? Because you seem very un-informed for someone who is supposedly informed.

The extreme right wing has been gunning to kill PBS for YEARS. They see the "liberal" public broadcast networks as indoctrinating our children with liberal ungodly ideas...like science. They also see NPR public radio news stations as "competition" to their hate radio business. Big Bird is a symbol to make it joke-y, but it is deadly serious. Romney threw out that line as red-meat for his base.

We will be a far poorer nation if we stop funding educational TV and radio and rely only on private programming.

Jack Welch is a criminal and a crook. He is pissed off at the Democrats ever since the Clinton administration made his company, General Electric, pay to clean up the chemicals they illegally dumped under his watch...and because he was investigated by the SEC for his many nefarious and illegal financial dealings.

Funny how the Republicans completely believe the unemployment numbers when they're high, but think the books have been cooked when they drop. Makes no sense. There would have to be a HUGE conspiracy to fudge those employment numbers, and to think that Obama pulled that off after 4 years of over-8% numbers, would be quite a feat.

You really need to change your channel away from Fox occasionally. Dare to step outside the bubble.