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We're never getting our of debt. We need superman to do that, or dumbledore
Originally Posted by murrrcat
Thats not true. Clinton did it. We have ups and downs.
Originally Posted by iroc


No, Clinton balanced our budget, so we didn't have a deficit each year. He didn't get us out of debt. Deficit and debt are two different things. We are never out of debt.
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We're never getting our of debt. We need superman to do that, or dumbledore
Originally Posted by murrrcat
Thats not true. Clinton did it. We have ups and downs.
Originally Posted by iroc


No, Clinton balanced our budget, so we didn't have a deficit each year. He didn't get us out of debt. Deficit and debt are two different things. We are never out of debt.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This.

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We're never getting our of debt. We need superman to do that, or dumbledore
Originally Posted by murrrcat
Thats not true. Clinton did it. We have ups and downs.
Originally Posted by iroc


No, Clinton balanced our budget, so we didn't have a deficit each year. He didn't get us out of debt. Deficit and debt are two different things. We are never out of debt.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Yes. You're correct.

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Over time the bigger impression that Romney was making was that he was feisty and passionate about what he had to say...he wasn't going to miss any chance to drive his points home, and he wound up getting a little better with following Lehrer's moderation.
Originally Posted by sew and sew
Have to respectfully disagree. His behavior smacked of instability - poor impulse control and an overly-self-centered personality. These are traits I consider incompatible with disciplined, nuanced leadership ... especially in the present international political climate. We don't need governmental leaders whose default setting is secrecy; we don't need to revert back to being world bullies who launch pre-emptive strikes, etc.

In terms of national policy /political relations, how could I expect a person who can't control his behavior to work well with others; to listen to others' ideas and help affect positive policy change if he can't even keep himself from publicly bullying the moderator of a debate?

That he seemed to "get a little better" to someone (which I failed to see), doesn't help. The ship had already set sail. The two main things Gov. Romney communicated in the debate were: He doesn't have to obey any one else's rules, and that he has no obligation whatsoever to describe any of the things he allegedly plans to do if he becomes president.
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I haven't decided yet who I am voting for. I don't believe either the FAR right or the FAR left; and it seems to me that you and many others on this board only believe the left.
Originally Posted by munchkin
I'm a Moderate and am skeptical of any politician, even those who identify as Moderates.

That said, this election cycle I'm voting Democratic because I personally feel the Republican party has been off the rails since Bush Jr. They'll have to earn back my trust. Mitt Romney is too full of truthiness to be a safe bet. Check this youtube vid out:

Mitt Romney Flip Flop Collection
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Check this out--to me, Iman Crosson/Alphacat is the best Obama impersonator out there:


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Check this out--to me, Iman Crosson/Alphacat is the best Obama impersonator out there:


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Originally Posted by journotraveler

I like this one:

I Don't Like - SPOOF (President Obama DNC Speech Parody) - YouTube


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I LOVE Alphacat!!!!!! He does Obama the best
Has anyone seen the new Obama campaign ad? It's about big bird. I am not sure that people are going to see the humor in it. I am concerned that people will think he should be focusing more on the real issues.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
His focus is always on real issues. The day he produced his long form birth certificate online he was authorizing the strike on Bin Laden. He can multi task effectively.

Every teardrop is a waterfall
Originally Posted by ss40
I am a fan and will be voting for him but this ad,even to me, does not feel like he is addressing the real issues.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
I agree. The Big Bird commercials are petty, distracting, and off message. I'm not a huge fan but given the other option, the President will get my vote.
The polls are scaring me!!
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The polls are scaring me!!
Originally Posted by xcptnl
While the past week has made many of us anxious, we need to collectively take a deep breath and calm down.

GOP voter suppression crashed and burned in OH and PA, and those states are strongly pro-Obama. Keep in mind that early voting began October 2 in Ohio, and the polls exclude people who already voted (63% of whom voted for Obama), so the OH numbers understate Obama's advantage.

The positive unemployment numbers will also boost Obama, which is why the right wing is desperately screaming that the administration is cooking the books. (Apparently ADP and Gallup are in on the scam.)

The race is much tighter than it should be as a result of Obama's debate forfeit, but I do think he'll narrowly pull it off in the end.

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The polls are scaring me!!
Originally Posted by xcptnl
While the past week has made many of us anxious, we need to collectively take a deep breath and calm down.

GOP voter suppression crashed and burned in OH and PA, and those states are strongly pro-Obama. Keep in mind that early voting began October 2 in Ohio, and the polls exclude people who already voted (63% of whom voted for Obama), so the OH numbers understate Obama's advantage.

The positive unemployment numbers will also boost Obama, which is why the right wing is desperately screaming that the administration is cooking the books. (Apparently ADP and Gallup are in on the scam.)

The race is much tighter than it should be as a result of Obama's debate forfeit, but I do think he'll narrowly pull it off in the end.

VOTE, curlies, and make sure that your family and friends do likewise!
Originally Posted by yossarian
They haven't actually counted any votes yet, have they? I assume this 63% is a poll of those who have already voted.

They haven't actually counted any votes yet, have they? I assume this 63% is a poll of those who have already voted.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Yes, this is an exit poll, which is quite reliable, and reflects the expected voting pattern. (which is why the Republican Secretary of State in OH fought so fiercely to curtail early voting: it increases turnout among traditionally Democratic constituencies)


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They haven't actually counted any votes yet, have they? I assume this 63% is a poll of those who have already voted.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Yes, this is an exit poll, which is quite reliable, and reflects the expected voting pattern. (which is why the Republican Secretary of State in OH fought so fiercely to curtail early voting: it increases turnout among traditionally Democratic constituencies)


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Originally Posted by yossarian
Do you know how the poll is conducted, because I assume it isn't an exit poll. Maybe it is, but the logistics of conducting exit polls over a long period of time doesn't seem reasonable. Unless your pollsters are there at every voting location every day for the entire day taking a random sample, it would be very difficult to assess.

They haven't actually counted any votes yet, have they? I assume this 63% is a poll of those who have already voted.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Yes, this is an exit poll, which is quite reliable, and reflects the expected voting pattern. (which is why the Republican Secretary of State in OH fought so fiercely to curtail early voting: it increases turnout among traditionally Democratic constituencies)
Originally Posted by yossarian
Do you know how the poll is conducted, because I assume it isn't an exit poll. Maybe it is, but the logistics of conducting exit polls over a long period of time doesn't seem reasonable. Unless your pollsters are there at every voting location every day for the entire day taking a random sample, it would be very difficult to assess.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Exit polling NEVER requires the presence of pollsters at every location, even when voting is conducted only on Election Day. All that is required for a statistically significant sample is a large enough number of voters drawn from a sufficiently broad range of areas. Under the principles of scientific polling, multiple voting days actually makes measurement of voting preferences more precise, since it is easier to query a large number of voters at a wide variety of geographic and demographic areas.

In this case, the margin of error is 3.5%, which is well within the threshold of validity.

(Sorry if I'm too technical, but my PhD is in political science )
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Yes, this is an exit poll, which is quite reliable, and reflects the expected voting pattern. (which is why the Republican Secretary of State in OH fought so fiercely to curtail early voting: it increases turnout among traditionally Democratic constituencies)
Originally Posted by yossarian
Do you know how the poll is conducted, because I assume it isn't an exit poll. Maybe it is, but the logistics of conducting exit polls over a long period of time doesn't seem reasonable. Unless your pollsters are there at every voting location every day for the entire day taking a random sample, it would be very difficult to assess.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Exit polling NEVER requires the presence of pollsters at every location, even when voting is conducted only on Election Day. All that is required for a statistically significant sample is a large enough number of voters drawn from a sufficiently broad range of areas. Under the principles of scientific polling, multiple voting days actually makes measurement of voting preferences more precise, since it is easier to query a large number of voters at a wide variety of geographic and demographic areas.

In this case, the margin of error is 3.5%, which is well within the threshold of validity.

(Sorry if I'm too technical, but my PhD is in political science )
Originally Posted by yossarian
I simply wouldn't put too much stock in an early voting exit poll. It may, or may not mean anything except that more democrats are voting early. That would simply mean that more repubs would vote late. Nothing more could be assessed.

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