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This is untrue.
Originally Posted by Amneris

I think it is true.
Originally Posted by CanItBeChristine
If one of the people is Catholic and divorced, all you have to do is get the church to consider your marriage annulled under the eyes of the church. You are still legally (under the eyes of the law) divorced; just a way for the church to get around it. I know this because my husband's ex-wife had their marriage "annulled by the Catholic church."
Originally Posted by munchkin
My fiancee and I are having our 1st marriages annulled. It's not such an easy process. We had to get a lot of paperwork together, get witnesses, and fill out a very lengthy questionare. It also is costing us each $500. The process could take from 18 to 24 months to be completed. I wasn't raised Catholic, so this all seems pretty ridiculous to me.
From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."
Wait...Romney called Obama a boy? How I need the receipts cause I had to run to the store for orthopedic inserts before 6am LOL so I missed the rest. Don't you know boy is not a word to address a black man by. Was it a "listen here boy" or "you wanna of my boys" boy?
Originally Posted by murrrcat


This is what Romney said:

ďLook, Iíve got five boys. Iím used to people saying something thatís not always true but just keep repeating it and ultimately hoping Iíll believe it. But that is not the case.Ē
To me, it was an underhanded way of calling Obama a BOY. Romney's sons are men...in their 30's and 40's. He said it as boys on purpose. We all know why.
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I'm not feeling optimistic about Obama winning another term.
Originally Posted by medussa
Last night when Romney was speaking I thought, "Oh, god. I'm looking at the next president."


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One other thing: who the hell helped the president with debate prep?
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I don't think Romney would have said I have 5 men. If anything he should have said I have 5 sons. I feel it's pretty iffy that it was a jab to Obama.
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From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."
Wait...Romney called Obama a boy? How I need the receipts cause I had to run to the store for orthopedic inserts before 6am LOL so I missed the rest. Don't you know boy is not a word to address a black man by. Was it a "listen here boy" or "you wanna of my boys" boy?
Originally Posted by murrrcat


This is what Romney said:

ďLook, Iíve got five boys. Iím used to people saying something thatís not always true but just keep repeating it and ultimately hoping Iíll believe it. But that is not the case.Ē
To me, it was an underhanded way of calling Obama a BOY. Romney's sons are men...in their 30's and 40's. He said it as boys on purpose. We all know why.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Women in our part of PA are referred to as girls. It is a colloquialism. Just the way we say it. I know you are an Obama supporter, but WOW that is a stretch. I did not and don't think anyone else took that statement as Romney calling Obama a boy.

I rank this thinking right up there with all the people who were making Big Bird a big issue.

I think this is one big thing that is wrong with supporters on both sides. They try to twist what was said be what they want it to be; i.e., Romney never said he "likes to fire people". He said he likes to be able to "fire people who provide a service for him"; i.e., contractor, hairdresser, healthcare provider (someone whose services you are displeased with).

I'm undecided. I want each side to be upfront and honest with me to win my vote.
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Did we already cover this and I missed it? Did Mitt call the president "bro" at one point? I can not be the only person who heard it. I even asked my husband to rewind so we could be sure. We heard it.
Wait...Romney called Obama a boy? How I need the receipts cause I had to run to the store for orthopedic inserts before 6am LOL so I missed the rest. Don't you know boy is not a word to address a black man by. Was it a "listen here boy" or "you wanna of my boys" boy?
Originally Posted by murrrcat


This is what Romney said:

ďLook, Iíve got five boys. Iím used to people saying something thatís not always true but just keep repeating it and ultimately hoping Iíll believe it. But that is not the case.Ē
To me, it was an underhanded way of calling Obama a BOY. Romney's sons are men...in their 30's and 40's. He said it as boys on purpose. We all know why.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Women in our part of PA are referred to as girls. It is a colloquialism. Just the way we say it. I know you are an Obama supporter, but WOW that is a stretch. I did not and don't think anyone else took that statement as Romney calling Obama a boy.

I rank this thinking right up there with all the people who were making Big Bird a big issue.

I think this is one big thing that is wrong with supporters on both sides. They try to twist what was said be what they want it to be; i.e., Romney never said he "likes to fire people". He said he likes to be able to "fire people who provide a service for him"; i.e., contractor, hairdresser, healthcare provider (someone whose services you are displeased with).

I'm undecided. I want each side to be upfront and honest with me to win my vote.
Originally Posted by munchkin
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Mitt Romney Calls Obama Bro in national debate - YouTube

That is just so awkward. I expected awkward complicated hand shake attempts to follow.
One other thing: who the hell helped the president with debate prep?
Originally Posted by Springcurl
The guy on the unemployment line this morning
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Wait...Romney called Obama a boy? How I need the receipts cause I had to run to the store for orthopedic inserts before 6am LOL so I missed the rest. Don't you know boy is not a word to address a black man by. Was it a "listen here boy" or "you wanna of my boys" boy?
Originally Posted by murrrcat


This is what Romney said:

ďLook, Iíve got five boys. Iím used to people saying something thatís not always true but just keep repeating it and ultimately hoping Iíll believe it. But that is not the case.Ē
To me, it was an underhanded way of calling Obama a BOY. Romney's sons are men...in their 30's and 40's. He said it as boys on purpose. We all know why.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Women in our part of PA are referred to as girls. It is a colloquialism. Just the way we say it. I know you are an Obama supporter, but WOW that is a stretch. I did not and don't think anyone else took that statement as Romney calling Obama a boy.
Originally Posted by munchkin


I think to black people, the "boy" thing is much more than a colloquialism.

That was an OBVIOUS "zinger" by Romney, very rehearsed and practiced. That word was carefully crafted to zing Obama as a boy, in the colonial-slavery sense, and I absolutely believe it was intentional, even if I wasn't an Obama supporter.
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I think it is true.
Originally Posted by CanItBeChristine
If one of the people is Catholic and divorced, all you have to do is get the church to consider your marriage annulled under the eyes of the church. You are still legally (under the eyes of the law) divorced; just a way for the church to get around it. I know this because my husband's ex-wife had their marriage "annulled by the Catholic church."
Originally Posted by munchkin
My fiancee and I are having our 1st marriages annulled. It's not such an easy process. We had to get a lot of paperwork together, get witnesses, and fill out a very lengthy questionare. It also is costing us each $500. The process could take from 18 to 24 months to be completed. I wasn't raised Catholic, so this all seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


You could always get married civily now, and just get offically catholically-married later, after the annulments are granted.
I missed this. Part of me wants to see it for myself and part is glad I didn't see it.

I think the biggest mistake Obama made was not bringing up the 47%. It was like he was tired and overworked and was just going through the motions so he could go home to bed.
Originally Posted by mrspoppers
It was his 20th wedding anniversary. They was lowdown to even schedule the debate on that day.....smh
Originally Posted by GoldenBlaze
Um....anybody else has to work on their anniversary, birthday, etc unless they have vacation leave and want to use it, are permitted to use it or the special day falls on their day off, so I don't see the big deal with this.

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Originally Posted by Kilajo
I was going to say the same thing. Obama is a competitor. I doubt he was pouting and sulking about his anniversary. They can find time elsewhere to celebrate, as any working person has to do.
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Whether he meant it as RCW suggests or not, bringing up how the words are used where you're from is rather irrelevant. There is such a thing as context, and referring to a black man as "boy" has a specific context. Much as referring to women as "girls" in certain situations is particularly inappropriate, and that's without getting into how something being a colloquialism doesn't mean it can't be racist, sexist, etc..
I'm not sure I agree with RCW, but I felt the need to point that out seeing a black man being called "boy" hand-waved as somehow being similar to when it's done in other situations.
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If one of the people is Catholic and divorced, all you have to do is get the church to consider your marriage annulled under the eyes of the church. You are still legally (under the eyes of the law) divorced; just a way for the church to get around it. I know this because my husband's ex-wife had their marriage "annulled by the Catholic church."
Originally Posted by munchkin
My fiancee and I are having our 1st marriages annulled. It's not such an easy process. We had to get a lot of paperwork together, get witnesses, and fill out a very lengthy questionare. It also is costing us each $500. The process could take from 18 to 24 months to be completed. I wasn't raised Catholic, so this all seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


You could always get married civily now, and just get offically catholically-married later, after the annulments are granted.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
We've talked about doing this. Neither of us want to wait 2 years. We're moving in together in Dec and would like to get married in April.
From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."
As for Romney, this is pretty much an accurate depiction of his debate performance:

Imagine someone offers you a job, and they tell you, “It’s going to be great! You’re going to love it.”

You ask, “Okay, so what will I be doing?”

“A lot of great things!”

“Well, what specifically?”

They answer, “One, something you LIKE. Two, something that will make you look good. Three…”

You’re sort of frustrated, so you cut them off and ask, “Can you tell me anything about what I’d actually be doing on a day to day basis?”

They just smile and say, “All the stuff you like, and none of the stuff you don’t like!”

Frustrated, you move on. “Whatever. Can you at least tell me what the job pays?”

They smile again and say, “The pay is going to be great! You’re going to love it!”

You blink at them, incredulous, and ask, “But what amount will actually be on my paycheck?”

“You’re going to be very pleased. Don’t worry.”

Getting more upset, you ask, “What about benefits?”

“You’ll have some.”

“What specifically?”

They smile confidently and punch you playfully on the arm. “Oh, you. You ask some great questions.”

“I know. So what is the answer?”

“It’s going to be great. I PROMISE.”

“What about time off?” you press.

They stand there smiling at you like a cardboard cut out.

“Do I get sick time? Vacation? What hours will I be working? Is it a salaried job? Hourly? Who will be my boss?” Blank smile. “Can you even tell me where I will be working?”

They grin and gush, yet again, “Trust me, you’re really going to like it. It’s going to do lots of great things for you.”

Would you take this job?

If you answered no, then you understand why I don’t think Romney won the debate tonight and why I don’t want him to be my president.
Or:

Obama - Romney debate-imageuploadedbycurltalk1349362224.399541.jpg

There's this perception that he did well because he told a whole slew of lies like he believed them. He can afford to be aggressive in a way Obama can't.
I wish Obama would have at least brought up how he tried to take credit for things in Massachusetts that weren't his doing.
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Last edited by Saria; 10-04-2012 at 08:56 AM.
I think Romney took this debate, but I am still undecided. I realized politics is like a trial; each side has their "expert" and each expert has a different opinion. You just have to figure out which one you believe.

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Originally Posted by munchkin

Except that a trial is decided on the basis of proven facts and evidence. You can't just come in and spout off your opinion.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











I'm not feeling optimistic about Obama winning another term.
Originally Posted by medussa
Last night when Romney was speaking I thought, "Oh, god. I'm looking at the next president."
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Same here. What the hell was Obama thinking last night?
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I'm not feeling optimistic about Obama winning another term.
Originally Posted by medussa
Last night when Romney was speaking I thought, "Oh, god. I'm looking at the next president."
Originally Posted by Springcurl


I did not think that at all. This election will be won where it is always won...in the few battleground swing states...and Obama is leading in all of them, often in double digits. One bad debate performance isn't going to erase all that. Don't fall into the trap of thinking this is lost...that's what the Reps want you to think.
I'm not feeling optimistic about Obama winning another term.
Originally Posted by medussa
Last night when Romney was speaking I thought, "Oh, god. I'm looking at the next president."
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Please don't say that!!

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