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I don't find these posts to be offensive to the US. They're educational and I appreciate knowing that folks like that are around.
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Do you really not know about them without these posts?
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Do you really not know about them without these posts?

I know about them because I read left wing sites like Daily Kos and Huff Po. But I bet a lot of people don't know about them.

Speaking only for me, Rou's posts don't bother me either.
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Do you really not know about them without these posts?

I know about them because I read left wing sites like Daily Kos and Huff Po. But I bet a lot of people don't know about them.

Speaking only for me, Rou's posts don't bother me either.
Huff Po is left wing????? I don't think so!

eta: I'd say both those sites are liberal / centrist / left of centre, but not truly left-wing.
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Do you really not know about them without these posts?

I know about them because I read left wing sites like Daily Kos and Huff Po. But I bet a lot of people don't know about them.

Speaking only for me, Rou's posts don't bother me either.
Huff Po is left wing????? I don't think so!

eta: I'd say both those sites are liberal / centrist / left of centre, but not truly left-wing.
If it makes you feel better I'll change to left-leaning. It really doesn't matter for my original statement. My point is that the mainstream media (that's supposed to be left wing according to the Republicans) does NOT cover this stuff.
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I know about them because I read left wing sites like Daily Kos and Huff Po. But I bet a lot of people don't know about them.

Speaking only for me, Rou's posts don't bother me either.
Huff Po is left wing????? I don't think so!

eta: I'd say both those sites are liberal / centrist / left of centre, but not truly left-wing.
If it makes you feel better I'll change to left-leaning. It really doesn't matter for my original statement. My point is that the mainstream media (that's supposed to be left wing according to the Republicans) does NOT cover this stuff.
But the Huff Po story says they got the story from the Arkansas Times (which I don't imagine is left leaning?)and some business site, which I wouldn't think is left leaning either. And a google search of the man's name shows the story is on msn, amongst other blogs and sources. A lot of the other stories rou posts seem to me to be readily available - I mean, if she can find them, so can anyone, right? I'm not saying you can't post a commonly available story for comment, or what would be the point of this site, but I am saying that I would be very surprised if the posts were actually first time news or a surprise to many people here. (I hope I'm not wrong about that!)
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Huff Po is left wing????? I don't think so!

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If it makes you feel better I'll change to left-leaning. It really doesn't matter for my original statement. My point is that the mainstream media (that's supposed to be left wing according to the Republicans) does NOT cover this stuff.
But the Huff Po story says they got the story from the Arkansas Times (which I don't imagine is left leaning?)and some business site, which I wouldn't think is left leaning either. And a google search of the man's name shows the story is on msn, amongst other blogs and sources. A lot of the other stories rou posts seem to me to be readily available - I mean, if she can find them, so can anyone, right? I'm not saying you can't post a commonly available story for comment, or what would be the point of this site, but I am saying that I would be very surprised if the posts were actually first time news or a surprise to many people here. (I hope I'm not wrong about that!)
I hope people in Arkansas are aware of it! But up in Massachusetts I probably wouldn't have heard about it without reading at least Huff Po or MSN. So, yeah, Rou's post isn't news to me, that's very true.

Other people? Well, I do think that nc.com has a pretty informed group of members. In real life, I sadly know a lot of people who proudly proclaim that don't watch the news. Or, if they're worried it's going to make me judge them they'll say, "I can't watch the news. It's too sad."
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This post was informative not mean. I like to know the opinions of people who are not American. I'm sure CAN has their whack jobs but America's whack jobs have a different scope of influence IMO. For example a person in CAN is paying attention to politics in Arkansas. Do many state side Americans follow politics in Ontario, or Montreal? I doubt it.

Criticism is good. People who reside in Arkansas should be held accountable for electing a moron. Based on his policies I'm sure some are. There are states I will never live in because of their ability to elect clowns. We should own it & fix it. Someone outside our box should hold up the mirror.

Todd Akin is one of those clowns. Should he get elected I will know all I need to know about the state of MO.

I love huffpo & the owner is more left of center than left wing.

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I think this guy embodies the fear of becoming a minority in a democracy.

I think its the idea that slavery was rewarded with American citizenship makes my stomach hurt. The other idea that Black students aren't motivated to learn is ludicrous. Oh & comparing America to Nazi Germany...never a good look.

So he's saying that a people who's ethnic memory is filled with work ethic directly linked to their survival is less motivated than the people who watched them work & had no threat unless that other group failed to produce? Well I'll be. We need PBS more than I thought.

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I don't find these posts to be offensive to the US. They're educational and I appreciate knowing that folks like that are around.
Do you really not know about them without these posts?
I really don't.

Her posts don't bother me much, although I can see how they could bother others. They're not that much different from all those "Omg, this brown person is a turrorist! Frisk every brown person, they're all terrorists" posts that were running through here last decade. I hated those, but it was in vogue to be a blatant xenophobe then (and in many ways, still is). I'd be lying if I said I didn't think "geez, another one?" when I saw the title of this thread.

Americans prefer to not be regarded as a monolith unless you're talking about freedom of speech or guns or something.
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I think this guy embodies the fear of becoming a minority in a democracy.

I think its the idea that slavery was rewarded with American citizenship makes my stomach hurt. The other idea that Black students aren't motivated to learn is ludicrous. Oh & comparing America to Nazi Germany...never a good look.

So he's saying that a people who's ethnic memory is filled with work ethic directly linked to their survival is less motivated than the people who watched them work & had no threat unless that other group failed to produce? Well I'll be. We need PBS more than I thought.

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It is sick, but I think you will find quite a few white people in his district that think this way. Not to mention outside. They see slavery as giving those Negroes discipline they weren't getting running around naked in Africa. Some of them don't even see black people in America (who have arguably been here longer than some whites) as citizens.

I'm not surprised by his sentiments, but I am annoyed he no doubt has power over the lives of the very people he hates.

Also that Nazi Germany part....sounded like he was saying that whites need to start exterminating all the "others" up in here. Creepy.
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This post was informative not mean. I like to know the opinions of people who are not American. I'm sure CAN has their whack jobs but America's whack jobs have a different scope of influence IMO. For example a person in CAN is paying attention to politics in Arkansas. Do many state side Americans follow politics in Ontario, or Montreal? I doubt it.

Criticism is good. People who reside in Arkansas should be held accountable for electing a moron. Based on his policies I'm sure some are. There are states I will never live in because of their ability to elect clowns. We should own it & fix it. Someone outside our box should hold up the mirror.

Todd Akin is one of those clowns. Should he get elected I will know all I need to know about the state of MO.

I love huffpo & the owner is more left of center than left wing.

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But that's my point. While undoubtedly US politicians influence those in Canada and it's a good idea to keep an eye on it, we in Canada should also be primarily aware of what's going on up here, especially since we have the power to vote people in or out, discuss with our friends, campaign, etc, etc, etc. Asking Americans "why they elect these people" is silly, because we elect them too. Why do we elect them? Probably the same reasons. Are people in western Canada responsible for the Québeçois people electing separatists (which many complain about?)

Why did WE elect these people?

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Do you really not know about them without these posts?
I really don't.

Her posts don't bother me much, although I can see how they could bother others. They're not that much different from all those "Omg, this brown person is a turrorist! Frisk every brown person, they're all terrorists" posts that were running through here last decade. I hated those, but it was in vogue to be a blatant xenophobe then (and in many ways, still is). I'd be lying if I said I didn't think "geez, another one?" when I saw the title of this thread.

Americans prefer to not be regarded as a monolith unless you're talking about freedom of speech or guns or something.
Again, I don't see people having an issue with someone pointing out that America has some ignorant, racist, sexist etc etc politicians. I certainly have no issue with that. The problem is that the person pointing it out appears to be doing so from a position of superiority (at least that's how it comes across to some) and over-involvement in the affairs of others, while ignoring the same ignorance, racism, sexism etc etc etc in their own backyard (as well as generalizing.)

It's the same reason that it annoys me when Americans, or Canadians, or anyone else, go on and on and on about the terrorism or the anti-woman attitudes in the Middle East, or the corruption, violence and lack of development in Africa or elsewhere in the developing world, and ignore the sexism, violence, corruption and everything else going on at home.
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I really don't.

Her posts don't bother me much, although I can see how they could bother others. They're not that much different from all those "Omg, this brown person is a turrorist! Frisk every brown person, they're all terrorists" posts that were running through here last decade. I hated those, but it was in vogue to be a blatant xenophobe then (and in many ways, still is). I'd be lying if I said I didn't think "geez, another one?" when I saw the title of this thread.

Americans prefer to not be regarded as a monolith unless you're talking about freedom of speech or guns or something.
Again, I don't see people having an issue with someone pointing out that America has some ignorant, racist, sexist etc etc politicians. I certainly have no issue with that. The problem is that the person pointing it out appears to be doing so from a position of superiority (at least that's how it comes across to some) and over-involvement in the affairs of others, while ignoring the same ignorance, racism, sexism etc etc etc in their own backyard (as well as generalizing.)

It's the same reason that it annoys me when Americans, or Canadians, or anyone else, go on and on and on about the terrorism or the anti-woman attitudes in the Middle East, or the corruption, violence and lack of development in Africa or elsewhere in the developing world, and ignore the sexism, violence, corruption and everything else going on at home.
I see your point. I wonder if it's because America is a superpower (is that word still even used?) and therefore their policies have more of an impact on other countries than the reverse?
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I really don't.

Her posts don't bother me much, although I can see how they could bother others. They're not that much different from all those "Omg, this brown person is a turrorist! Frisk every brown person, they're all terrorists" posts that were running through here last decade. I hated those, but it was in vogue to be a blatant xenophobe then (and in many ways, still is). I'd be lying if I said I didn't think "geez, another one?" when I saw the title of this thread.

Americans prefer to not be regarded as a monolith unless you're talking about freedom of speech or guns or something.
Again, I don't see people having an issue with someone pointing out that America has some ignorant, racist, sexist etc etc politicians. I certainly have no issue with that. The problem is that the person pointing it out appears to be doing so from a position of superiority (at least that's how it comes across to some) and over-involvement in the affairs of others, while ignoring the same ignorance, racism, sexism etc etc etc in their own backyard (as well as generalizing.)

It's the same reason that it annoys me when Americans, or Canadians, or anyone else, go on and on and on about the terrorism or the anti-woman attitudes in the Middle East, or the corruption, violence and lack of development in Africa or elsewhere in the developing world, and ignore the sexism, violence, corruption and everything else going on at home.
This is exactly it, Amneris. I don't have any problem with someone from any country posting a story like this and calling attention to the ignorance of this guy, or even the ignorance of the people in his district in Arkansas. We all need to know this type of thing is out there.

My issue is exactly as you said--the air of superiority and the questioning of the entire country as to how WE could elect this guy. Well WE didn't. A bunch of racists in Arkansas did.

FWIW, this particular story was all over Yahoo news and Facebook over the weekend. While it's understandable that people missed it, it's not like it only had visibility on liberal websites.
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Not having Facebook definitely puts me at a disadvantage. I can't believe Yahoo still exists. I probably just need to expose myself to more of this sort of stuff.
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Huff Po is left wing????? I don't think so!

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If it makes you feel better I'll change to left-leaning. It really doesn't matter for my original statement. My point is that the mainstream media (that's supposed to be left wing according to the Republicans) does NOT cover this stuff.
But the Huff Po story says they got the story from the Arkansas Times (which I don't imagine is left leaning?)and some business site, which I wouldn't think is left leaning either. And a google search of the man's name shows the story is on msn, amongst other blogs and sources. A lot of the other stories rou posts seem to me to be readily available - I mean, if she can find them, so can anyone, right? I'm not saying you can't post a commonly available story for comment, or what would be the point of this site, but I am saying that I would be very surprised if the posts were actually first time news or a surprise to many people here. (I hope I'm not wrong about that!)
I in no way know for sure, but the Arkansas Times could lean to the left. North Carolina is a red (or at least burgundy) state but many counties within (including mine), their papers, and local news networks are blue. It would all depend on the owners of the publication/station.

That was all I wanted to add. I'm not offended and I rarely talk politics in depth, especially with people I like
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Doesn't HuffPo only report on stuff that's already been reported by the mainstream media? I mean, it's already part of the mainstream media anyway. But I thought all they do is rehash articles written by real journalists.

A lot of this stuff doesn't get picked up for national news coverage. It tends to stay within the state. But that doesn't mean that the mainstream media refuses to report it.
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But if it doesn't get picked up by national news then it seems doubtful that someone in New England is going to hear about some POS senator in Arkansas.

I caption about 5 hours of news a day, three hours of which are national and you're right about national news not picking up on it.
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Honestly I get most of my news from you curlies. I dont drive so i dont hear the news via radio. i seldom have time to watch tv so when i do i really dont want to watch news. i hardly have the time to go thru news via internet, so i usually hear about things thru friends or here. So I am find with anyone posting things about american politics. I am not offended. IMO rou can keep posting. please enlighten me, rou!
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