Teen suicide- Amanda Todd

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I also saw this a few days ago.



Like people are actually comparing suicides now and using that as a determining factor for doling out sympathy. I can't.
Originally Posted by Saria
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This is just horrible. When I was reading what those people were saying about her after she committed suicide it made my stomach turn. I can't understand how human beings can be so cruel and heartless. Bullies make me sick, I dealt with a lot of bullies between kindergarten to 5th grade, it finally stopped when I started homeschooling. I remember always being told the saying sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me, I hate that saying, mainly because I find it completely untrue (at least for myself). Words stay with you and I feel they cut just as deep, if not deeper then physical bullying. Of course any bullying is completely disgusting and horrible. I just feel so horrible for this poor girl. And comparing suicides is just sick and twisted!
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there is an Amanda Todd Reporting Team on Facebook that is working to take down any of these vile pages and groups popping up. when you come across one, report it to them and they will look after it.
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and this is how you deal with it - don't call it "bullying", name it for what it is: criminal harrassment.

Bullying bust nets 8 girls at South | Local | News | The London Free Press

i love one of the comments:

This is how it's done. Consequences. It's not "bullying" girls, it's "criminal harassment" and now you have to live with it, be accountable. I hope the judge makes you wear sandwich boards up and down the public streets detailing your cowardly acts. But not as the snivelling pack you are, but as individuals ON YOUR OWN. It's so easy in groups isn't it. Not so easy being individuals. I hope you are made to face audiences and explain yourselves. Maybe you can go through a scared straight prison program and come out the other side with a conscience. And some brains. Maybe then you'll be fit for civilized society. Until then, it's bye bye.
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the local school board has suspended those 8 students indefinitely; all have been charged with criminal harassment and police said additional charges are pending.

here's what our Criminal Code defines as "criminal harassment":

264. (1) No person shall, without lawful authority and knowing that another person is harassed or recklessly as to whether the other person is harassed, engage in conduct referred to in subsection (2) that causes that other person reasonably, in all the circumstances, to fear for their safety or the safety of anyone known to them.
Prohibited conduct

(2) The conduct mentioned in subsection (1) consists of
  • (a) repeatedly following from place to place the other person or anyone known to them;
  • (b) repeatedly communicating with, either directly or indirectly, the other person or anyone known to them;
  • (c) besetting or watching the dwelling-house, or place where the other person, or anyone known to them, resides, works, carries on business or happens to be; or
  • (d) engaging in threatening conduct directed at the other person or any member of their family.
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I don't think bullying is the problem, the problem is attitudes about sex. Amanda Todd got bullied because of a picture of her chest, that seems pretty stupid to me. But it shows how conservative our culture is. Showing your chest as a woman = slut. Showing your chest as a man = doesn't matter. It's a bit twisted. And then she got beat up for sleeping with a guy who had a girlfriend...come on. If my boyfriend slept with another woman, I'd be kicking his ass, not the mistress!
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I don't think bullying is the problem, the problem is attitudes about sex. Amanda Todd got bullied because of a picture of her chest, that seems pretty stupid to me. But it shows how conservative our culture is. Showing your chest as a woman = slut. Showing your chest as a man = doesn't matter. It's a bit twisted. And then she got beat up for sleeping with a guy who had a girlfriend...come on. If my boyfriend slept with another woman, I'd be kicking his ass, not the mistress!
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They were 15-16.
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the local school board has suspended those 8 students indefinitely; all have been charged with criminal harassment and police said additional charges are pending.

here's what our Criminal Code defines as "criminal harassment":

264. (1) No person shall, without lawful authority and knowing that another person is harassed or recklessly as to whether the other person is harassed, engage in conduct referred to in subsection (2) that causes that other person reasonably, in all the circumstances, to fear for their safety or the safety of anyone known to them.
Prohibited conduct

(2) The conduct mentioned in subsection (1) consists of
  • (a) repeatedly following from place to place the other person or anyone known to them;
  • (b) repeatedly communicating with, either directly or indirectly, the other person or anyone known to them;
  • (c) besetting or watching the dwelling-house, or place where the other person, or anyone known to them, resides, works, carries on business or happens to be; or
  • (d) engaging in threatening conduct directed at the other person or any member of their family.
Originally Posted by rouquinne
Rather than make it an either-or thing, I'd prefer that the public come to realize bullying is criminal harassment. Some minor things, I wouldn't consider criminal though.
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Last edited by The New Black; 10-19-2012 at 01:36 PM.
nearly every comment i read about amanda todd was so ****ed up and anyone that thinks that it was nothing or she deserved it or anything on that line can all rot in hell.
the local school board has suspended those 8 students indefinitely; all have been charged with criminal harassment and police said additional charges are pending.

here's what our Criminal Code defines as "criminal harassment":

264. (1) No person shall, without lawful authority and knowing that another person is harassed or recklessly as to whether the other person is harassed, engage in conduct referred to in subsection (2) that causes that other person reasonably, in all the circumstances, to fear for their safety or the safety of anyone known to them.
Prohibited conduct

(2) The conduct mentioned in subsection (1) consists of
  • (a) repeatedly following from place to place the other person or anyone known to them;
  • (b) repeatedly communicating with, either directly or indirectly, the other person or anyone known to them;
  • (c) besetting or watching the dwelling-house, or place where the other person, or anyone known to them, resides, works, carries on business or happens to be; or
  • (d) engaging in threatening conduct directed at the other person or any member of their family.
Originally Posted by rouquinne
I'm working on a criminal harassment case right now and have been reading dozens of cases on it!

With the facts we have here, I'm not sure it's criminal harassment. CH has to cause the person to fear for their safety, and I don't know if Amanda feared for her safety as much as she became hopeless/depressed/discouraged, which is what bullying does. I can also see a debate as to whether they were communicating "with" her or about her. I guess it's worth a shot though. The Code hasn't really caught up with the Internet and technology.
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Last edited by Amneris; 10-19-2012 at 07:47 PM.
criminal harassment is the charge against the 8 girls in London - no other details have been released.
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criminal harassment is the charge against the 8 girls in London - no other details have been released.
Originally Posted by rouquinne
Yeah, we don't know the facts in that case, so it may be that someone fears for their safety as a result of those girls' actions. But in the Amanda Todd case, I don't see that criminal harassment fits. I don't see bullying and criminal harassment as the same at all, because the goal of criminal harassment is to terrify people, whereas bullying doesn't necessarily do that - it is generally intended to humiliate or exclude people. I don't know if there is an offence that fits the Amanda Todd situation other than the child pornography angle. The Code doesn't really cover most Internet situations, unfortunately - it needs an update.

The other problem is that it's hard to say that the actions of the bullies directly caused Ms Todd's suicide. Was she unstable or vulnerable or experiencing other problems? Were her parents sufficiently attentive? Their actions undoubtedly contributed, but how much so? I kind of feel there is more to this story. A lot of people are bullied but most do not commit suicide, so what makes it different for those who do?
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