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Old 10-22-2012, 02:37 PM   #21
 
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What the crux? These people should turn the camera off before speaking.

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^ I just saw that on facebook. It almost made me cry. It does happen, all too often. And to say it doesn't happen is a disgusting thing.
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Please go to "The New And Improved Say It Thread in 4a. The info is there about the curlie who died. She was 8 months pregnant. The baby is in ICU. Donations are needed, please.
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Anybody else see the NC.com post on Facebook just now? A curly recently passed away during childbirth. Very sad.
WHAT?

I meant to post a link. https://www.facebook.com/naturallycu...57527754342282

I don't know her screen name, but someone else might. I don't want to make someone's recent passing a political issue, but just having read this article/thread and then seeing this really brought it close to home.
Wow. That's devastating.
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this story reminded me of this thread:

Scandal in Ireland as woman dies in Galway 'after being denied abortion' | World news | The Guardian
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Pro-life is nothing but idolatry of the fetus. They are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees. That fetus was 17 weeks and had zero chance of surviving, but it still had a heartbeat, so she had to endure days of pain before dieing.

"This is a Catholic country."? **** them. I hope bad things happen to everyone involved.
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I read this story this morning and couldn't believe what I was reading.....the woman was already miscarrying - that's why she was at the hospital - but they couldn't remove the fetus while it was still alive. I guess they had to let her miscarry "naturally"???? WHY?? It makes ZERO sense. Instead of removing the fetus - which was in process of miscarrying and was never going to survive - they stood by and let this woman die painfully over the course of two to three days. When told that the reason they couldn't do anything was because "this is a Catholic country," the husband responded that they were not Catholic....this is exactly what happens when you allow church and state to mix. Catholics have their beliefs, but WHY are they being forced on non-Catholics? This is what some would have happen here in the U.S.

And I say all this, btw, as a believing Catholic myself. I just think that religion and government should be completely separated.

This story just upsets me on multiple levels.
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Pro-life is nothing but idolatry of the fetus. They are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees. That fetus was 17 weeks and had zero chance of surviving, but it still had a heartbeat, so she had to endure days of pain before dieing.

"This is a Catholic country."? **** them. I hope bad things happen to everyone involved.
Bingo! Idolotry of the fetus is exactly what it is.
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This is sad and depressing. in the end an innocent life was lost.
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^No. Two lives were lost, one of them needlessly because they cared more about a 17 week old fetus that had no chance of survival over a living breathing woman.
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^No. Two lives were lost, one of them needlessly because they cared more about a 17 week old fetus that had no chance of survival over a living breathing woman.
I used to have a friend who had a similar experience in 2000, at Good Samaritan Hospital. She was miscarrying (she was about 10 weeks along) and they left her on a gurney, in the hallway of the maternity ward, while they waited for the heartbeat to stop.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:05 AM   #32
 
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I'm wondering if other hospitals would've done it. Apparently it is legal in Ireland to have an abortion if the mother's life is in danger but there are no clear rules on it so the hospital might be in the wrong(legally).
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I read this story this morning and couldn't believe what I was reading.....the woman was already miscarrying - that's why she was at the hospital - but they couldn't remove the fetus while it was still alive. I guess they had to let her miscarry "naturally"???? WHY?? It makes ZERO sense. Instead of removing the fetus - which was in process of miscarrying and was never going to survive - they stood by and let this woman die painfully over the course of two to three days. When told that the reason they couldn't do anything was because "this is a Catholic country," the husband responded that they were not Catholic....this is exactly what happens when you allow church and state to mix. Catholics have their beliefs, but WHY are they being forced on non-Catholics? This is what some would have happen here in the U.S.

And I say all this, btw, as a believing Catholic myself. I just think that religion and government should be completely separated.

This story just upsets me on multiple levels.
That's it. Right there. And yet, the U.S. is filled with Catholic-run hospitals, which concerns me greatly. (But I think some get around the issue by having a separate, connected-but-not-quite-connected facility that offers some of these "forbidden" services).
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I read this story this morning and couldn't believe what I was reading.....the woman was already miscarrying - that's why she was at the hospital - but they couldn't remove the fetus while it was still alive. I guess they had to let her miscarry "naturally"???? WHY?? It makes ZERO sense. Instead of removing the fetus - which was in process of miscarrying and was never going to survive - they stood by and let this woman die painfully over the course of two to three days. When told that the reason they couldn't do anything was because "this is a Catholic country," the husband responded that they were not Catholic....this is exactly what happens when you allow church and state to mix. Catholics have their beliefs, but WHY are they being forced on non-Catholics? This is what some would have happen here in the U.S.

And I say all this, btw, as a believing Catholic myself. I just think that religion and government should be completely separated.

This story just upsets me on multiple levels.
That's it. Right there. And yet, the U.S. is filled with Catholic-run hospitals, which concerns me greatly. (But I think some get around the issue by having a separate, connected-but-not-quite-connected facility that offers some of these "forbidden" services).
Yes but you have the option not to go to a catholic hospital.
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You do have the option to go to a non-catholic hospital, but what if you are in an ambulance and that is the closest hospital? Would you tell them to go to a further away hospital, just to insure you will have a shot to live?

This woman was dying. the baby was dying. It seemed like the baby was going to die no matter what. the hospital let this woman die, imo. she could had been saved.
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And there are also some cities with only one hospital. I grew up in one. Not everyone can travel.

But yes, of course, we have more options here in the U.S. We are not exactly exactly analogous to Ireland, where church and state are not separate. This story is just horrific.
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You do have the option to go to a non-catholic hospital, but what if you are in an ambulance and that is the closest hospital? Would you tell them to go to a further away hospital, just to insure you will have a shot to live?

This woman was dying. the baby was dying. It seemed like the baby was going to die no matter what. the hospital let this woman die, imo. she could had been saved.
I know, I don't agree, but at least here there are other options if a catholic run hospital does that. What sucks is that you'd have to know ahead of time and just disregard religious hospitals.
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I read this story this morning and couldn't believe what I was reading.....the woman was already miscarrying - that's why she was at the hospital - but they couldn't remove the fetus while it was still alive. I guess they had to let her miscarry "naturally"???? WHY?? It makes ZERO sense. Instead of removing the fetus - which was in process of miscarrying and was never going to survive - they stood by and let this woman die painfully over the course of two to three days. When told that the reason they couldn't do anything was because "this is a Catholic country," the husband responded that they were not Catholic....this is exactly what happens when you allow church and state to mix. Catholics have their beliefs, but WHY are they being forced on non-Catholics? This is what some would have happen here in the U.S.

And I say all this, btw, as a believing Catholic myself. I just think that religion and government should be completely separated.

This story just upsets me on multiple levels.
That's it. Right there. And yet, the U.S. is filled with Catholic-run hospitals, which concerns me greatly. (But I think some get around the issue by having a separate, connected-but-not-quite-connected facility that offers some of these "forbidden" services).
Yes but you have the option not to go to a catholic hospital.
Not necessarily. In some places the Catholic hospital is the biggest around and takes over all the smaller, local hospitals, so there's no other option for several miles.
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You do have the option to go to a non-catholic hospital, but what if you are in an ambulance and that is the closest hospital? Would you tell them to go to a further away hospital, just to insure you will have a shot to live?

This woman was dying. the baby was dying. It seemed like the baby was going to die no matter what. the hospital let this woman die, imo. she could had been saved.
I know, I don't agree, but at least here there are other options if a catholic run hospital does that. What sucks is that you'd have to know ahead of time and just disregard religious hospitals.
Before you go anywhere you would have to research hospitals. What if Johns Hopkins Hospital was a catholic hospital? (I swear it seems they are taking over every hospital in Baltimore city.) there would be no non-catholic churches.

I remember my cousin's last pregnancy was high risk. The doctors were afraid they would have to be a choice between my cousin's life and the baby's. Having to make a horrible choice like that was hell for my cousin. But she had two other kids she had to think about. and she had to tell the doctors if anything should happen, try to save her. What if she was at this hospital where they just made the decision for her? she would be dead. and where would my two little cousins have gone? Thankfully, the baby survived and the choice between lives didnt have to be made.
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