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Old 11-19-2012, 10:57 AM   #41
 
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That's it. Right there. And yet, the U.S. is filled with Catholic-run hospitals, which concerns me greatly. (But I think some get around the issue by having a separate, connected-but-not-quite-connected facility that offers some of these "forbidden" services).
Yes but you have the option not to go to a catholic hospital.
Not necessarily. In some places the Catholic hospital is the biggest around and takes over all the smaller, local hospitals, so there's no other option for several miles.
yes, even though there are other hospitals, a hospital is not a school.....it can be very hard to walk out of one and just go to another. Especially if you are there for an emergency. This is a super tricky issue because of the nature of hospitals....I remember hearing stories about women who had been raped being denied Plan B at faith-based hospitals. Churches have the right to run hospitals and schools without interferance from the government, but individuals also the have the right to not have their care dicated by someone else's religion. I'm not really sure what the answer is, or if I'm comfortable *forcing* Catholic hospitals to do certain procedures. Maybe an easier way of getting patients who need those procedures to hospitals that do provide them, without any judgement or interference.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:14 AM   #42
 
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You do have the option to go to a non-catholic hospital, but what if you are in an ambulance and that is the closest hospital? Would you tell them to go to a further away hospital, just to insure you will have a shot to live?

This woman was dying. the baby was dying. It seemed like the baby was going to die no matter what. the hospital let this woman die, imo. she could had been saved.
I know, I don't agree, but at least here there are other options if a catholic run hospital does that. What sucks is that you'd have to know ahead of time and just disregard religious hospitals.
Before you go anywhere you would have to research hospitals. What if Johns Hopkins Hospital was a catholic hospital? (I swear it seems they are taking over every hospital in Baltimore city.) there would be no non-catholic churches.

I remember my cousin's last pregnancy was high risk. The doctors were afraid they would have to be a choice between my cousin's life and the baby's. Having to make a horrible choice like that was hell for my cousin. But she had two other kids she had to think about. and she had to tell the doctors if anything should happen, try to save her. What if she was at this hospital where they just made the decision for her? she would be dead. and where would my two little cousins have gone? Thankfully, the baby survived and the choice between lives didnt have to be made.
Wow that's weird, I always assumed it's a given you save the mother's life. Why would it ever logically be the other way around unless you specify or a religious church?
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Yes but you have the option not to go to a catholic hospital.
Not necessarily. In some places the Catholic hospital is the biggest around and takes over all the smaller, local hospitals, so there's no other option for several miles.
yes, even though there are other hospitals, a hospital is not a school.....it can be very hard to walk out of one and just go to another.
It is hard, but you still can. If a life is in danger, you have nothing to lose. My bfs dad was in a hospital and the doctor told them he had hours to days to live. They called around and found another hospital that had a better solution. They took him out (of course the hospital tried to stop it), put him on a train for a few hours and went to another hospital. That was years ago and he is doing okay now.
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I know, I don't agree, but at least here there are other options if a catholic run hospital does that. What sucks is that you'd have to know ahead of time and just disregard religious hospitals.
Before you go anywhere you would have to research hospitals. What if Johns Hopkins Hospital was a catholic hospital? (I swear it seems they are taking over every hospital in Baltimore city.) there would be no non-catholic churches.

I remember my cousin's last pregnancy was high risk. The doctors were afraid they would have to be a choice between my cousin's life and the baby's. Having to make a horrible choice like that was hell for my cousin. But she had two other kids she had to think about. and she had to tell the doctors if anything should happen, try to save her. What if she was at this hospital where they just made the decision for her? she would be dead. and where would my two little cousins have gone? Thankfully, the baby survived and the choice between lives didnt have to be made.
Wow that's weird, I always assumed it's a given you save the mother's life. Why would it ever logically be the other way around unless you specify or a religious church?
I always thought the same thing. The doctor's wanted to keep the baby in as long as possible. My cousin eventually had to be admitted in to the hospital at 5 months. she had so many issues I cant even begin to list them. but the doctors told her, one or both might die and she would had to let them know what she wanted. a month later she delivered the baby knowing it may had died, but if she waited any longer, she would had most likely had died. At least they gave her the choice. this was ten years ago and I cant recall if the hospital was religious affiliate or not.
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Not necessarily. In some places the Catholic hospital is the biggest around and takes over all the smaller, local hospitals, so there's no other option for several miles.
yes, even though there are other hospitals, a hospital is not a school.....it can be very hard to walk out of one and just go to another.
It is hard, but you still can. If a life is in danger, you have nothing to lose. My bfs dad was in a hospital and the doctor told them he had hours to days to live. They called around and found another hospital that had a better solution. They took him out (of course the hospital tried to stop it), put him on a train for a few hours and went to another hospital. That was years ago and he is doing okay now.
Unbelievable that they tried to stop him...

I was thinking more in terms of situations where you don't have the support or information. For example when I first moved to this city I had no family or friends here - if something had happened to me and I was in a hospital, and not fit or able to make big decisions or get up and leave, I would be basically at the mercy of the doctors and staff. Or what if the patient does have some family able to be there, but the family doesn't understand the issues, or there is a language barrier, etc?

We're still in agreement about things being better here than in countries with NO alternatives though
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yes, even though there are other hospitals, a hospital is not a school.....it can be very hard to walk out of one and just go to another.
It is hard, but you still can. If a life is in danger, you have nothing to lose. My bfs dad was in a hospital and the doctor told them he had hours to days to live. They called around and found another hospital that had a better solution. They took him out (of course the hospital tried to stop it), put him on a train for a few hours and went to another hospital. That was years ago and he is doing okay now.
Unbelievable that they tried to stop him...

I was thinking more in terms of situations where you don't have the support or information. For example when I first moved to this city I had no family or friends here - if something had happened to me and I was in a hospital, and not fit or able to make big decisions or get up and leave, I would be basically at the mercy of the doctors and staff. Or what if the patient does have some family able to be there, but the family doesn't understand the issues, or there is a language barrier, etc?

We're still in agreement about things being better here than in countries with NO alternatives though
Oh yea then you are screwed unless you get lucky. Most doctors and nurses really don't have the best interests for you. It's just like any other service/profession.
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