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Old 10-29-2012, 01:10 PM   #1
 
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Did anyone else see this great editorial?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/op...-pro-life.html

I apologize if it's been posted before.
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I agree with him. Thanks for posting.
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I just read it. Perfectly stated.
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I was a little unsure about reading the article, as we all know this is a hot topic for debate, but I was pleasantly surprised at the tone and intent of the article.

Very well said, and I agree.
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I just read it. Perfectly stated.
I agree.
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I tend to agree and be on the side of supporting all these "life affirming" issues.

But I don't think it's fair to imply a person is a hypocrite if she buys into one or some but not all. People have their own reasons for supporting certain issues and not others, and that is their right.

I think it is also a person's right to vigorously want to protect the sanctity of human fetal life and and not water that the right down or whitewash it or feel they have to kow to a liberal agenda to be legitimated.
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It's perfectly fair and consistent. This whole "poor fertilized eggs" mess needs to stop. What about those eggs when they're born? It's kind of like math, you can't pick and choose when 2+2=4 just because you have a good reason, e.g., I need more money in my paycheck this time. A reason does not always make sense. And it's not a right. You can disagree, but it's not a right.

Side note: I think we have a real problem in this country, every opinion is labeled a right. We're all supposed to just la di da on our merry way because it is someone's opinion? Don't get it.
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So, abortion is murder, but only if the woman is guilty of wanting sex. If she conceived through rape, then aborting her fetus is A-OK! And the actually has the nerve to accuse the no-abortion-ever guy of hypocrisy and inconsistent views.

I'm not surprised to see this was written by Thomas Friedman.

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So, abortion is murder, but only if the woman is guilty of wanting sex. If she conceived through rape, then aborting her fetus is A-OK! And the actually has the nerve to accuse the no-abortion-ever guy of hypocrisy and inconsistent views.

I'm not surprised to see this was written by Thomas Friedman.
I haven't read the article but I do believe if one is really against abortion then he/she should not have any exceptions and that makes sense to me.
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Plus, if we're talking about legality and not just morality, what system could be in place the ensure that every girl or woman who conceives through rape is eligible have an abortion, but no one else is? Most people never report it, of those most never pursue a case, and of those only some of the accused are found guilty. And even when a guilty verdict comes in, it will probably be too late for an abortion to take place. So how could such a system work?
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I think that's SOOOOME people's problems. They want to make laws based on feelings and you just can't do that. My main concern about abortion being illegal is that it takes away a safe option for women who are going to go for it regardless its legality. It's just like sex, drugs, speeding limits, whatever: if a person wants to do it they're going to find ways. And (IMO) I'd much rather respect the privacy of others and let them have their safe options than for there to be an influx of women AND fetal deaths because they try to have abortions in dangerous conditions.

This article is dope though and I totally agree with it.
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Plus, if we're talking about legality and not just morality, what system could be in place the ensure that every girl or woman who conceives through rape is eligible have an abortion, but no one else is? Most people never report it, of those most never pursue a case, and of those only some of the accused are found guilty. And even when a guilty verdict comes in, it will probably be too late for an abortion to take place. So how could such a system work?
That's exactly why many anti-choice politicians are willing to make exceptions for rape, I think. It makes them sound reasonable and compassionate, but they know that there's no way that those abortions will happen because of how rape cases are handled. Unless a woman goes to an er beaten half to death and obviously raped, she won't be allowed an abortion.


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I think that's SOOOOME people's problems. They want to make laws based on feelings and you just can't do that. My main concern about abortion being illegal is that it takes away a safe option for women who are going to go for it regardless its legality. [...] And (IMO) I'd much rather respect the privacy of others and let them have their safe options than for there to be an influx of women AND fetal deaths because they try to have abortions in dangerous conditions. [...]
Yeah, I completely agree with, uh, the parts that I quoted . Abortion per se presents a complex moral question. But as a distinct issue, we already know what will happen if we outlaw or strictly limit abortion: fetuses will still die, but girls and women will die with them. And to me, increasing the death toll isn't pro-life.

e: Sorry I rewrote this! I realized that what I originally posted wasn't what I meant to say.
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Plus, if we're talking about legality and not just morality, what system could be in place the ensure that every girl or woman who conceives through rape is eligible have an abortion, but no one else is? Most people never report it, of those most never pursue a case, and of those only some of the accused are found guilty. And even when a guilty verdict comes in, it will probably be too late for an abortion to take place. So how could such a system work?
I totally agree which I why I think it's important that abortion remain a viable option for all women. It's between a woman, her doctor, and God. There does not need to be a government department of Conception Analysis.
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Whether ur pro choice or pro life, i dont think my tax dollars shld hav to pay for it. I've taken care of women who hav 3 abortions n 1 yr on tax payers money. And im tired of reading articles that continue to divide all of else in subgroups. All republicans dont think 1 way and all Dems dont think another. And sum point during gestation an abortion shld b illegal thats y third trimester abortions r illegal. As for the other issues of morality the woman and the dr hav to answer to whatever higher power they believ in when the time comes...
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Whether ur pro choice or pro life, i dont think my tax dollars shld hav to pay for it. I've taken care of women who hav 3 abortions n 1 yr on tax payers money. And im tired of reading articles that continue to divide all of else in subgroups. All republicans dont think 1 way and all Dems dont think another. And sum point during gestation an abortion shld b illegal thats y third trimester abortions r illegal. As for the other issues of morality the woman and the dr hav to answer to whatever higher power they believ in when the time comes...

Taxpayer money has been unable to be used for abortion services since 1973, when the Hyde Amendment was passed. Only money from private donations can be utilized for these services. And considering the witch hunt that conservatives have been on, you can bet that the books at Planned Parenthood have been gone through with a fine tooth comb multiple times. If there was anything illegal going on, it would be reported by more than just Fox News.

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So, abortion is murder, but only if the woman is guilty of wanting sex. If she conceived through rape, then aborting her fetus is A-OK! And the actually has the nerve to accuse the no-abortion-ever guy of hypocrisy and inconsistent views.

I'm not surprised to see this was written by Thomas Friedman.
I haven't read the article but I do believe if one is really against abortion then he/she should not have any exceptions and that makes sense to me.
But it's aso saying you have to support all environmental conservation laws and not own a gun, etc., etc.

And maybe some people just do not agree with all of that. Not everyone's beliefs have to be packaged neatly into someone else's political agenda.
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I think the real issue is giving women a choice. If you think abortion is wrong then don't have one. But you have to wonder about a political party who claims that the government has no right to restrict their right to purchase an assault weapon, but that same government should be intimately involved in the goings on of my uterus.

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I am strongly pro-choice. Here are my reasons why.

I do not personally believe a fertilized egg is a human life. I consider it to be a potential life.

But, even if you do consider it to be a full human life with all the rights of a person, we do not live in a society where we compel people to give up their bodily autonomy against their will to save someone else's life.

For example, there are tens of thousands of people on organ waiting lists. We do not require people to donate organs to save them, even though you can life a very healthy life with, say, only one kidney. You could be the only match for someone who needs a donation, and they will otherwise die, but we do not legally compel you to donate.

Or suppose there's a building on fire, and people are trapped inside. If you are a bystander, we do not require you to put yourself at risk and go inside and rescue them, even if they will die.

Vaccinations are well-established to prevent the spread of deadly diseases, and scientists and doctors are in agreement that they are very safe. When people fail to get vaccinations, they risk not only contracting the disease themselves, but also spreading it to people with vulnerable health. Universal vaccination would prevent sickness and death, but we do not legally require people to get vaccinated.

I believe that making any of those a legal requirement would be seen as an outrageous infringement against personal liberty and authority over one's body. But why is it not so in the case of terminating a pregnancy?
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Technically the police power of the state does allow people to be forcibly vaccinated....but the full force of this power has yet to be seen (Typhoid Mary's quarantine comes to mind, but that was quite awhile back) in more modern times...

BUT I think that's kind of your point!
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