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Democrats and Republicans used to be the opposite of what they are today. This changed in the mid 20th century.
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^Exactly. Somebody else hinted at it upthread, but the South was mainly Democratic until the mid 1960's. Lyndon Johnson, who was a Texas Democrat, knew at the time he signed the Civil Rights Act that the South wouldn't be Democratic for at least a generation and he was proven right as the old Dixiecrats felt he was a traitor, among other things. Most of the Dixiecrats fled to the Republican party within a decade and that party made things easy for them by pandering to their racism. The Democrats quickly saw that if they were to remain a viable party that they had to expand their base. The result over 40 years later was Barack Obama as President.
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Damn, I love Rachel Maddow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=SVwXA7sHUlE
Ohio really did go to President Obama last night. And he really did win. And he really was born in Hawaii. And he really is legitimately President of the United States. Again. And the Bureau of Labor Statistics did not make up a fake unemployment rate last month. And the Congressional Research Service really can find no evidence that cutting taxes on rich people grows the economy. And the polls were not skewed to oversample Democrats. And Nate Silver was not making up fake projections about the election to make conservatives feel bad. Nate Silver was doing math. And climate change is real. And rape really does cause pregnancy sometimes. And evolution is a thing! And Benghazi was an attack ON us, it was not a scandal BY us. And nobody is taking away anyone's guns. And taxes have not gone up. And the deficit is dropping, actually. And Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. And the moon landing was real. And FEMA is not building concentration camps. And UN election observers are not taking over Texas. And moderate reforms of the regulations on the insurance industry and the financial services industry in this country are not the same thing as Communism.

Listen. Last night was a good night for liberals and for Democrats for very obvious reasons. But it was also, possibly, a good night for this country as a whole. Because in this country we have a two party system, in government. And the idea is supposed to be that the two sides both come up with ways to confront and fix the real problems facing our country. They both propose possible solutions to our real problems. And we debate between those possible solutions. And by the process of debate, we pick the best idea. That competition between good ideas, from both sides, about real problems in the real country should result in our country having better choices, better options, than if only one side is really working on the hard stuff. And if the Republican party, and the conservative movement, and the conservative media is stuck in a vacuum sealed, door locked, spin cycle of telling each other what makes them feel good, and denying the factual, lived truth of the world, then we are all deprived, as a nation, of the constructive debate between competing, feasible ideas about real problems.

Last night the Republicans got shellacked. And they had no idea it was coming. And we saw them, in real time, in real humiliating time, not believe it even as it was happening to them. And unless they're going to secede, they're going to have to pop the factual bubble they have been so happy living inside, if they do not want to get shellacked again. And that will be a painful process for them, I'm sure, but it will be good for the whole country - left, right, and center. You guys, we're counting on you. Wake up.

There's real problems in the world. There are real knowable facts in the world. Let's accept those and talk about how we might approach our problems differently. Let's move on from there. If the Republican party, and the conservative movement, and conservative media are forced to do that by the humiliation they were dealt last night, we will all be better off as a nation. And in that spirit, congratulations everybody. Big night.
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Saw that live last night. Love that woman.
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Classic. Traffic reporter shows people the most direct route to Canada. *snort*

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Oh, and not that we really need more evidence that he's a doosh, but apparently Romney cancelled all his campaign staffers' credit cards right after he lost.

http://http://www.forbes.com/sites/h...-of-the-night/


Obamacare is not a blueprint for socialism. You're thinking of the New Testament. ~~ John Fugelsang



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im shocked that Asian Americans went 73% for Obama more than Latinos' 71%
Oh, and not that we really need more evidence that he's a doosh, but apparently Romney cancelled all his campaign staffers' credit cards right after he lost.

http://http://www.forbes.com/sites/h...-of-the-night/
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Honestly, I didn't think this sounded like a big deal at first until I clicked on the article and read this:

Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked.
What a jerk. Well, we do know how much he likes firing people...
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Paul Ryan not only lost his state but he lost his county too.
Originally Posted by seamelody14
That is true but he kept his Congress seat. Supposedly he is running in the next presidential election.
Originally Posted by multicultcurly
Considering he lost, and most people hated him more than Romney , that's a, Uhh, good idea?
Originally Posted by seamelody14
IMO, if Republicans want to win, it isn't a good idea. Ryan's views on social issues are too rigid for voters in the general election. And although I feel he is a fiscal conservative - maybe a tad too much - but his proposed changes to social security don't sit well with many elderly voters who receive social security benefits, and this is a large voting constituent that skews Republican.
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In news that will surprise no one, GOP poll watcher freaks out over POCs voting.
Originally Posted by legends
He didn't seem to freak out to me. Although it seems he thinks there is some sort of conspiracy. Moron.
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im shocked that Asian Americans went 73% for Obama more than Latinos' 71%
Originally Posted by OBB
Why?

That is true but he kept his Congress seat. Supposedly he is running in the next presidential election.
Originally Posted by multicultcurly
Considering he lost, and most people hated him more than Romney , that's a, Uhh, good idea?
Originally Posted by seamelody14
IMO, if Republicans want to win, it isn't a good idea. Ryan's views on social issues are too rigid for voters in the general election. And although I feel he is a fiscal conservative - maybe a tad too much - but his proposed changes to social security don't sit well with many elderly voters who receive social security benefits, and this is a large voting constituent that skews Republican.
Originally Posted by multicultcurly
I'm sure Ryan will want to run, but he will have to get the nomination. I really wonder if any other Republican could beat Chris Christie should he throw his hat into the GOP ring.

As a Republican who voted for Obama, the Republican party needs to move away from the far right extreme. I agree with many of the GOP fiscal policies, but they are just too radical on some issues to keep me from going to the other side if I don't like their candidate. I think they need to reevaluate before 2016.
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Considering he lost, and most people hated him more than Romney , that's a, Uhh, good idea?
Originally Posted by seamelody14
IMO, if Republicans want to win, it isn't a good idea. Ryan's views on social issues are too rigid for voters in the general election. And although I feel he is a fiscal conservative - maybe a tad too much - but his proposed changes to social security don't sit well with many elderly voters who receive social security benefits, and this is a large voting constituent that skews Republican.
Originally Posted by multicultcurly
I'm sure Ryan will want to run, but he will have to get the nomination. I really wonder if any other Republican could beat Chris Christie should he throw his hat into the GOP ring.

As a Republican who voted for Obama, the Republican party needs to move away from the far right extreme. I agree with many of the GOP fiscal policies, but they are just too radical on some issues to keep me from going to the other side if I don't like their candidate. I think they need to reevaluate before 2016.
Originally Posted by munchkin
munchkin, my husband and I were just having this conversation last night. I was telling him that a lot of people are being disenfranchised and marginalized by the Republican party. They feel they have to disregard the fiscal message they like because they will lose their civil rights if the Republicans get their way. He said he hadn't really thought of it that way before (because he's a white Christian dude...LOL) but it made sense to him.

I hope the Republican party gets back on track. We need a healthy second party, and right now it's a snake eating its own tail.
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IMO, if Republicans want to win, it isn't a good idea. Ryan's views on social issues are too rigid for voters in the general election. And although I feel he is a fiscal conservative - maybe a tad too much - but his proposed changes to social security don't sit well with many elderly voters who receive social security benefits, and this is a large voting constituent that skews Republican.
Originally Posted by multicultcurly
I'm sure Ryan will want to run, but he will have to get the nomination. I really wonder if any other Republican could beat Chris Christie should he throw his hat into the GOP ring.

As a Republican who voted for Obama, the Republican party needs to move away from the far right extreme. I agree with many of the GOP fiscal policies, but they are just too radical on some issues to keep me from going to the other side if I don't like their candidate. I think they need to reevaluate before 2016.
Originally Posted by munchkin
munchkin, my husband and I were just having this conversation last night. I was telling him that a lot of people are being disenfranchised and marginalized by the Republican party. They feel they have to disregard the fiscal message they like because they will lose their civil rights if the Republicans get their way. He said he hadn't really thought of it that way before (because he's a white Christian dude...LOL) but it made sense to him.

I hope the Republican party gets back on track. We need a healthy second party, and right now it's a snake eating its own tail.
Originally Posted by nynaeve77
I'm a democrat but have voted republican in some senate races in the past. I voted for President Obama. There was a time when yes the republicans haven't been on the same page with the democrats when it came to some things, but there was a mutual respect for one another. Now, that respect is gone. The GOP spends too much time demonizing candidates and lying to the people and this time, it backfired. Boenheur and the GOP has no choice but to concede to President Obama, who has shown that his views are the views of the majority of the American people, or next year when most of the house will be up for reelection, there will be a LOT of red turning BLUE.
In news that will surprise no one, GOP poll watcher freaks out over POCs voting.
Originally Posted by legends
This is a mess. I worked at the polls on Tuesday and we also had a Republican poll watcher. After the precinct closed she said that if Obama wins she was going to prepare for the rapture. Hot mess... She better get ready! But, she'll probably get left behind anyway

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