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Living in Texas, I am surrounded by people who are not happy with the election results. I voted for Obama, not because I believe he is a great president but he is the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. No party is without its faults but one party just has a lot more faults.

I believe both campaigns did a poor job trying to win over the "women's" vote (as if we are a homogenous group who only have one or two interests) but I believe Romney did a much poorer job.

I get the impression from my repub friends and family that they buy into the stereotypes of repubs being for less spending, smaller government, better at national defense, and has some moral superiority. I, as a moderate, as a woman, as someone who has really tried to listen to both sides and make sense of it all, didn't see it that way. Many repubs think there is equality between the sexes and that we make too much out of perceived inequities that they can rationalize away, that the rape-talk/stricter abortion regulations/possible overturn of Roe v Wade if Supreme Ct adds more conservatives are just minor issues that women do not need to worry about or our hoping women again just stand by their man and just take one for the team. Giving up rights for a promise of a better financial future (that I'm still doubting Romney could have delivered on) is not something I can respect within myself.

The talk of cutting money on education for children, double-talk about Medicare/social security without really talking about how their alternative vision is really going to fix things; the hints of wanting to make an amendment for the defense of marriage act to do what? to try to stifle any progress homosexuals are making?

Look, you don't have to be pro-choice or even pro-gay marriage to see the bullying that is in their underlying message.

If they want to win in the mid-term elections or in four years, they need to stop creating their narrative at Fox and talk-shows, look at reality, go more moderate in their social issues, and do a much better job explaining their economic policies. Stop calling the President a Muslim, a Kenyan...stop trying to discredit him...instead positively promote your policies using reality-based evidence (rather than manufactured fear tactics). If you can acknowledge real problems that women, children, minorities, the elderly, etc...and explain why you are better than what we have, I would gladly support a Republican. I am a moderate.
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I really agree with what you wrote here. I feel as if I had to use my vote to maintain my own civil rights as a woman (control of my own body and my fertility is something that should be up to me, not the government) and try to achieve them for others (i.e. homosexuals). As women, we really have nothing if we don't have control of our fertility. Education, careers, equal partnership, the ability to care for our children--none of this is possible if we don't have control of our fertility.

I would LOVE to be able to engage in a real debate about economic and foreign policy. To feel free (yes, FREE) to make a decision on these issues, because I know my own basic civil liberties are accepted.


Not exactly on this topic, but I would also completely respect people who had differing views than my own if they could back them up with any kind of data, instead of religious beliefs and "feelings".
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I'm with you, Boomy. I had to log off from facebook because a lot of the people on my friends list are posting all these anti-Obama statements. About how this country is going to be overtaken, we're paying for our sins, etc., how their faith in the United States people is gone...

Yeahhhh...I can't read that kind of crap. Be supportive of our president. I know you may not like him, but he's got a hell of a mess to dig us out of. Having to field all these attacks instead of focusing on fixing us is ridiculous and pointless. And I'm sorry, but 4 years is a heck of a short time to dig us out of the crap previous presidents have gotten us into.
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Well said, Boomy. Critical thinking, logical explanation, and moderate/liberal social views would behoove the Republican party on the next go-round.
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The funny thing is that most of the liberals I know are all for fiscal conservatism. I can't think of any who are all, "Spend the money frivolously!" They might differ on what to spend money on, but I don't think anyone's saying they want the federal government to do whatever they want and spend like crazy.

That being said, I'm with others in the thread who would love to have more options. I'm not 100% down with the Democratic party, but at this point, the Republicans are so far in the weeds. I used to vote Republican but they've gone so far out of bounds on civil rights issues that I can't in good conscience support that party. Should they ever decide to stop pandering to the racists, misogynists, and other lunatic fringe, I'll be happy to reconsider them.
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I agree both sides did a poor job courting women voters. I am pro-life/anti-abortion rights and I think Obama had to sell out his true pro-life position to win this election, and that makes me sick. But it's the way of the world anymore, sadly. So he lost stripes w/ me over that one. But redeemed himself slightly w/ the Ledbetter Bill.

Mitt Romney...not doing anything one way or another for women and he's smarmy, elist, racist prick, so there you go.
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Boomy, I hear you! I'm from Texas, so most of my friends on FB are from there. I got so sick of them that I deleted my FB account. I'm sure they are going crazy today.

What's been really hard for me is that my daughter and her husband are Republicans and so is my bf and all of his family. I think my daughter is just following her husband and his beliefs and not really doing any research on her own.
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I think I realized this time around that I am a Libertarian. Gary Johnson ran for this party and his explanation of what Libertarians are (fiscally conservative and socially accepting) really hit home with me. In the end I voted for tweedle dumb instead of tweedle dumber (just to help keep tweedle dumber out), but I learned about a new party that I may relate to, but lets be real, how many lifetimes will it be before a libertarian or green candidate gets invited to a debate, let alone takes the presidency. Until then, we are left voting for lesser evils to try to keep the greater evils out *sigh*
I think I realized this time around that I am a Libertarian. Gary Johnson ran for this party and his explanation of what Libertarians are (fiscally conservative and socially accepting) really hit home with me. In the end I voted for tweedle dumb instead of tweedle dumber (just to help keep tweedle dumber out), but I learned about a new party that I may relate to, but lets be real, how many lifetimes will it be before a libertarian or green candidate gets invited to a debate, let alone takes the presidency. Until then, we are left voting for lesser evils to try to keep the greater evils out *sigh*
Originally Posted by sus811
Remember that the candidates don't come from no where. We all should be doing our part to make sure that candidates we DO like get on the ballot. This means, primarily, voting in the local elections. The candidates are previous governors and senators. And most governors and senators held some kind of local office first, too. Let's all work to get the right people into the right positions. Waiting until there's 2 candidates for president and then complaining about them is a failure on the part of the American people.

I made a point to publicly state yesterday that anyone who's not happy with the candidates for president should feel even more incentive to vote, to make sure you get better candidates in the future.
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Part of dysfunctionality of life (and political parties here in US) is dichotomizing. Us vs Them. Superior/inferior; the in-crowd/the "others"...both parties benefit from this lack of choices. Repubs need to step up in winning voters, Dems need to stop taking their constituents for granted...but why bother making REAL changes under this system? Women have made progress in the past 20 years, but not enough in my mind. We still get sold short. Real change isn't going to take place (not quickly) as long as we have "the lesser of two evils" to vote for. I think more can be done, but at least we aren't going backwards.
Repubs turn away and say "there is no sexism/racism/etc" Dems see it but are often ineffective or minimally effective in doing something about it. We sell ourselves short. Of course, govt isn't always the answer but they can provide a push to help us while we fight our own fights...whether its for wage equity, reducing violence against women/children, etc.
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I think I realized this time around that I am a Libertarian. Gary Johnson ran for this party and his explanation of what Libertarians are (fiscally conservative and socially accepting) really hit home with me. In the end I voted for tweedle dumb instead of tweedle dumber (just to help keep tweedle dumber out), but I learned about a new party that I may relate to, but lets be real, how many lifetimes will it be before a libertarian or green candidate gets invited to a debate, let alone takes the presidency. Until then, we are left voting for lesser evils to try to keep the greater evils out *sigh*
Originally Posted by sus811

Remember Ross Perot and his running mate (can't remember his name, the senile old Korean War hero or whatever lol) got to debate back in 92? (Was it the Korean War? Maybe it was Vietnam? I suppose I could look some of this up...but you get what i'm saying.)

How did they get in? Did they buy their way in? They actually didn't do badly in the election.
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I do remember...hope it happens again someday!!
I get the impression from my repub friends and family that they buy into the stereotypes of repubs being for less spending, smaller government, better at national defense, and has some moral superiority. I, as a moderate, as a woman, as someone who has really tried to listen to both sides and make sense of it all, didn't see it that way. Many repubs think there is equality between the sexes and that we make too much out of perceived inequities that they can rationalize away, that the rape-talk/stricter abortion regulations/possible overturn of Roe v Wade if Supreme Ct adds more conservatives are just minor issues that women do not need to worry about or our hoping women again just stand by their man and just take one for the team. Giving up rights for a promise of a better financial future (that I'm still doubting Romney could have delivered on) is not something I can respect within myself.
Northwest Louisiana here and I'd have to agree with the above. A good friend of mine and a rational human being loves to inform me of why I should be voting republican that my number one priority is the economy. I don't think he pays attention when I give him the reasons why I don't vote like him.
I get the impression from my repub friends and family that they buy into the stereotypes of repubs being for less spending, smaller government, better at national defense, and has some moral superiority. I, as a moderate, as a woman, as someone who has really tried to listen to both sides and make sense of it all, didn't see it that way. Many repubs think there is equality between the sexes and that we make too much out of perceived inequities that they can rationalize away, that the rape-talk/stricter abortion regulations/possible overturn of Roe v Wade if Supreme Ct adds more conservatives are just minor issues that women do not need to worry about or our hoping women again just stand by their man and just take one for the team. Giving up rights for a promise of a better financial future (that I'm still doubting Romney could have delivered on) is not something I can respect within myself.
Northwest Louisiana here and I'd have to agree with the above. A good friend of mine and a rational human being loves to inform me of why I should be voting republican that my number one priority is the economy. I don't think he pays attention when I give him the reasons why I don't vote like him.
Originally Posted by papayahed
Would be pretty awesome if it could be just about the economy, but government is involved in stuff that affects us way deeper than fiscally. I'm dating a passionate democrat and I'm not hugely concerned with politics other than when it's time to vote (not much I can do any other time so why stress about it?). I am glad I can stop seeing political ads and stop listening to my bf b***h lol
I agree both sides did a poor job courting women voters. I am pro-life/anti-abortion rights and I think Obama had to sell out his true pro-life position to win this election, and that makes me sick. But it's the way of the world anymore, sadly. So he lost stripes w/ me over that one. But redeemed himself slightly w/ the Ledbetter Bill.

Mitt Romney...not doing anything one way or another for women and he's smarmy, elist, racist prick, so there you go.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
I don't think that he's selling out, I honestly think he is pro- choice, as a huge percentage of women are. I respect those who choose to be pro-life, but I don't respect the notion of forcing that on other women. What of the tables were turned, and abortions were forced on women who were pregnant out of wedlock? It sounds preposterous, and almost laughable to think that would ever happen, right? Why is it not preposterous to for others to force their opinion on women who choose to abort? Why is it still a debate? I feel the same way about gay marriage. Why are straight, homophobic people forcing their opinion on gay people? If Obama were not pro-choice, I don't think I could vote for him. That's obviously not the only reason why I voted for him, but if he spoke out against my rights to control my body, I couldn't vote for him.
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I agree both sides did a poor job courting women voters. I am pro-life/anti-abortion rights and I think Obama had to sell out his true pro-life position to win this election, and that makes me sick. But it's the way of the world anymore, sadly. So he lost stripes w/ me over that one. But redeemed himself slightly w/ the Ledbetter Bill.

Mitt Romney...not doing anything one way or another for women and he's smarmy, elist, racist prick, so there you go.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
I don't think that he's selling out, I honestly think he is pro- choice, as a huge percentage of women are. I respect those who choose to be pro-life, but I don't respect the notion of forcing that on other women. What of the tables were turned, and abortions were forced on women who were pregnant out of wedlock? It sounds preposterous, and almost laughable to think that would ever happen, right? Why is it not preposterous to for others to force their opinion on women who choose to abort? Why is it still a debate? I feel the same way about gay marriage. Why are straight, homophobic people forcing their opinion on gay people? If Obama were not pro-choice, I don't think I could vote for him. That's obviously not the only reason why I voted for him, but if he spoke out against my rights to control my body, I couldn't vote for him.
Originally Posted by seamelody14
i have to agree. i think obama believes women are intelligent enough to be able to make choices concerning their own bodies. You can have your beliefs just dont force them on others.

sidenote: a friend from a small phillipino village asked me about md allowing gays to marry. she said is was disgusting because it goes against the bible. I told her would she like laws passed based on people's religion? "you like pork? well muslims and jews dont eat pork. would you like a lay passed saying because they dont eat pork no one can eat pork?" she said no! "so you get it? america is huge. you can not make laws based on one religion. you can have your beliefs but you have no right to pass it on to others. unless you plan to marry a women you dont have to concern yourself with gay people's private lives."
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When I was a little girl I would line up my stuffed toys and give my presidental speeches. I cant remember all my platforms but I know one of them was no more homework! oh and every kid gets to go to disney world.
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