Why no thread on Benghazi?

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kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?
Originally Posted by thelio
In fairness, there was an exhaustive investigation conducted by a bipartisan commission after 9/11.

NOLA was another matter altogether. Unconscionable.

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Originally Posted by yossarian
true about 9/11.

But I'm still waiting for him and his cronies to stand in front of a La. judge. I wont hold my breath. thanks for trying Hilary.

oh well, continue on.

Last edited by thelio; 11-16-2012 at 01:26 PM.
Ok I spent some time doing some research about this and all this controversy seems to be stemming from what Obama called this situation. Whether or not he called it terrorism and what he meant by "act of terror", because to those don't mean the same thing to some people. I really don't get it.

4 people died. Why does it matter so much what this tragedy is called? What more do they want Obama to do? Give up his seat? I'm sure that's what the republicans want. Maybe he should start closing embassies. And despite this being an unfortunate event (aka tragedy), this was no September 11, 2001. I'm just not that pressed about this.
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I think that the assassination of diplomats abroad is a really big deal. There was obviously a failing in intelligence or really bad judgement involved in placing the US ambassador somewhere he couldn't be kept safe. There needs to be a thorough investigation of how this happened and preventative measures to avoid another such.attack.

That said, I'm not even remotely concerned with what Obama or Rice said or didn't say about it after the fact. This isn't a partisan issue. The breakdown in security and intelligence happened *before* the attacks.

ETA: I don't really see why national security happenings are a matter for public discussion. They are supposed to be secret for reason.



Last edited by mad scientist; 11-16-2012 at 01:59 PM.
kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?
Originally Posted by thelio
Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
Originally Posted by poisonivy
Seriously? Bush didn't claim nobody could have seen 9/11 coming (the Aug 6 intelligence briefing, the 1993 WTC bombing, and similar plots notwithstanding)? He didn't state that Saddam Hussein had WMDs that could be given to terrorists to be used against us ("we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud")?

Bush lied, 5000+ American soldiers died. (not to mention 150000 Iraqi civilians.) Where is your outrage?

The info came from the CIA. Direct your ire where the evidence proves it belongs.

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Last edited by yossarian; 11-17-2012 at 05:08 AM.
I'd put a hell if a lot more stock in the claims the GOP is making about this incident if the GOP wasn't doing this only because of who our president is. But they've already stated and shown that their only concern is making President Obama fail, by any means necessary, no matter what effect it has on the country as a whole.

Those who are more concerned with the President failing than they are with the county succeeding have lost all credibility, as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what party they're part of.
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Can someone explain the basics of this situation to me, or point me in the right direction? What actually happened, what is Obama saying happened, and what the GOP is trying to make of the situation? On who the key players are?
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Fact check has a good but lengthy article about it.

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Fact check has a good but lengthy article about it.

FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline
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kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?
Originally Posted by thelio
Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
Originally Posted by poisonivy
This statement is such a crock of ***** that I can't believe it could have been written with a straight face. Please tell me you were joking. Bush absolutely did mislead the American public about 9/11. He either did it on purpose or he is a complete and utter moron. Take your pick.
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Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
Originally Posted by poisonivy
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And Im confused. Want obama criticized for moving too fast on the east coast.


If you don't llike him just say you don't like him. No need to make things up. He is human. He will make mistake. Why not wait until an actual issue

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I'm sure the house and the senate will get to the bottom of it. The truth will come out either for or against Obama.
Originally Posted by poisonivy
It already is coming out, which is why the Petraeus Affair(s) broke now. The look on Peter King's face after Petraeus testified yesterday said it all - shellshocked. The hearings were intended to ensnare Obama, but instead have taken down a military hero and likely GOP presidential candidate in 2016.

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Originally Posted by yossarian
Exactly. They're trying to find a way to impeach the president, just like they did Clinton....but I guess they better go call up Kenneth Starr or something because they're taking down "their own" in the process. LOL

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I'm confused about why this is still the primary topic of interest among the conservative circle. What exactly is the issue here as it applies to the Obama Administration? Besides the fact that 4 people were killed. He called it an act of terror. What else is the issue?
Originally Posted by CocoT
Ok, let me break it down for you.

Barack Obama's dad was Kenyan. Secretly, Obama is also a Kenyan terrorist, because he was not born here. When Obama was "campaigning" he was actually calling his friends to kill the Ambassador. That's how he knew it was a terrorist attack.

Got it?

Oh, and if Obama had lost the election, this would not have been a big issue. Which is why John McCain skipped a hearing on this to call a press conference on this. Because he's busy and ****.


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You know what's really big news? Israel and Gaza. Instead of sitting in rooms listening to Petraeus tell the truth they already knew about, they need to be trying to calm that mess down. Another big news story? This fiscal cliff mess. It's funny how the economy issues apparently don't exist anymore.

As far as Sandy is concerned, are you kidding?
This is the image burned into my brain from Katrina:


The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.

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Poisonivy, what actually happened in Benghazi. Explain to us how the Anti-Christ pulled the strings to start this rolling right along.

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Why no thread? Cause nobody had started one but since you did....

Did you know that the Battle of Bunker Hill was actually at Breed's Hill?
What caused WWI: the Alsace Lorraine, the assassination of some duke or the sinking of a ship (Lusitania?)?
Who killed John Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Tragic events have occurred throughout history and will again in the future. Distortions and confusion happen in the fog of war (Condoleeza Rice said that). There are some things that we will never have definitive answers for and my guess is that this is one of them. we should try to find out so reduce the chance of something similar happening again.
Real talk. There was no thread because we don't have the facts other than 1. The protests 2. The attack 3. The death of 4 diplomats.

The title of this story, terrorist attack v. spontaneous attack is irrelevant. The "tragedy" in Aurora Co was a terrorist attack & I suppose there was an Intel breakdown on the sikh temple "massacre". Don't see any hearings on that & America lost more than 4 those days. So ya'll can miss me with the linguistics of this.

But I will take the logistics if getting Israel to calm down or the fiscal cliff for 500 Alex.

The GOP is looking for scandal in Obama's camp. Hillary is the fall guy for Benghazi, if you didn't notice. Petraeus was a casualty, but don't worry he gets the Susan B. Anthony at the airport. Petraeus did his job well. He will be giving 100k speaking engagements before long & he'll find a new "biographer"

I imagine that what happened in Benghazi was a lot like what happened in Pakistan when they caught Bin Laden. A raid. Ask the Pakistani government what they knew before hand? Don't worry I'll wait. Their heads are still spinning. More security wouldn't have pushed back the attack timeline for the terrorist group. If Obama
gets impeached for this, there should be criminal trials for Bush, Cheney, Rice, & the rest of the last administration. The lies we were told led to the most economically destructive time in our country since the depression.

run tell dat.

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The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
As of yesterday (Nov 16) NJ Republican Gov Chris Christie still had nothing but glowing praise for Obama and the federal response. Guess he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should give him your expert insight.



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The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
As of yesterday (Nov 16) NJ Republican Gov Chris Christie still had nothing but glowing praise for Obama and the federal response. Guess he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should give him your expert insight.



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Originally Posted by yossarian
Ok, because I think I'm agreeing with him!

I was responding to poisonivy's comment indicating that the Superstorm and Hurricane Sandy disaster has been grossly mishandled, like the Hurricane Katrina response.

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