Why no thread on Benghazi?

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Poisonivy, what actually happened in Benghazi. Explain to us how the Anti-Christ pulled the strings to start this rolling right along.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I have no idea what your talking about.
The response to (and prep for) Sandy has been much, much better. Please don't even open your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
As of yesterday (Nov 16) NJ Republican Gov Chris Christie still had nothing but glowing praise for Obama and the federal response. Guess he doesn't know what he's talking about. You should give him your expert insight.



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Originally Posted by yossarian
Ok, because I think I'm agreeing with him!

I was responding to poisonivy's comment indicating that the Superstorm and Hurricane Sandy disaster has been grossly mishandled, like the Hurricane Katrina response.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
Yossarian was also responding to PoisonIvy. Governor Chrisitie, a Republican, has been very vocal in his criticism of President Obama in the past, but he's had nothing but positive things to say about Obama and the federal response. I agree with both of you. It's ridiculous to even try to compare the response to these two tragic events. But I guess the point is to get a reaction.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to start mess.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I agree with you. Very transparent.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...s-obama-romney

Again, why is this a political issue, when there were 7 embassy and consulate attacks under GW?? If the attack under Obama is a sign of American weakness or whatever the hell conservatives are spouting right now then GW's America must have been the weakest of them all.

Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of War Defense between 2001 and 2006, so none of this should be news to him:

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

As for Obama, the attacks in Cairo and Benghazi are the first two attacks on a U.S. diplomatic mission in an ostensibly peaceful country during his entire presidency—and they were sparked by that idiot wingnut Islamophobe Terri Jones. The embassy in Afghanistan was targeted by the Taliban last Sept. 13, but that's a country at war. So conservatives want to claim that obamas "weak" administration caused these riots. Tally the numbers.
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Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
Originally Posted by poisonivy
I'm on the Jersey Shore and yes it's a disaster, but I'm wondering if you think a different president would have the entire coast cleaned up and rebuilt by now. After all it's been three weeks.

What exactly are you expecting Obama to do? I don't mean that in a snarky way, I'm really curious. The recovery is not perfect, but people are doing the best they can, and I think Christie has done a good job and he thinks the president is doing a good job. What more do you want?

As for Benghazi, I don't think regular people are that up in arms over what the White House said the cause of the attacks were and when they said it. It's just not sticking as a major issue. I kind of think most people really don't care. Figuring out where intelligence and security failed and preventing it from happening again - that's what's important.

I don't blame Bush for 9/11 and I don't blame Obama for this. Terrorists are crazy and they are the ones to blame.
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I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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Originally Posted by CocoT
Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.


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Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
Originally Posted by poisonivy
I'm on the Jersey Shore and yes it's a disaster, but I'm wondering if you think a different president would have the entire coast cleaned up and rebuilt by now. After all it's been three weeks.

What exactly are you expecting Obama to do? I don't mean that in a snarky way, I'm really curious. The recovery is not perfect, but people are doing the best they can, and I think Christie has done a good job and he thinks the president is doing a good job. What more do you want?

As for Benghazi, I don't think regular people are that up in arms over what the White House said the cause of the attacks were and when they said it. It's just not sticking as a major issue. I kind of think most people really don't care. Figuring out where intelligence and security failed and preventing it from happening again - that's what's important.

I don't blame Bush for 9/11 and I don't blame Obama for this. Terrorists are crazy and they are the ones to blame.
Originally Posted by Jenny C
I agree with you. What's interesting is that during the week between Sandy and the election, the republicans were saying Obama--get this--acted to quickly and did too much too soon. Which is it, a disaster or too much?

When 9/11 happened, I had pretty positive things to say about Bush in the first weeks. I remember feeling like he was trying really hard to pull the country together in those first weeks. In fact, I'd say a lot of people, regardless of party, felt pretty much the same thing to say. Even when it came out that "they should have known" it was going to happen, I didn't blame Bush or even Clinton personally for that.

The racing to blame Obama for this is crazy. When I hear someone blaming him for Benghazi and saying he didn't call it an act of terrorism soon enough, I completely disregard every other word that comes out of that person's mouth because I know they are full of *****. Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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Originally Posted by CocoT
Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Do you think he was napping?
I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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Originally Posted by CocoT
Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Do you think he was napping?
Originally Posted by poisonivy
Oh, so you're one of them! No more need to say a word to you then.
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I'm noticing the majority of this animosity about Benghazi is targeted toward Obama and not the terrorists/attackers. That's ridiculous to me.



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Originally Posted by CocoT
Some conspiracy theorists (not sure if Fox has joined in on this) are saying Obama watched the whole thing happen live by video feed.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
Do you think he was napping?
Originally Posted by poisonivy
he was probably sitting on his booty collecting a welfare check, etc etc.
Four of our citizens were murdered, it's a bad thing, our politicians should treat this with the solemnity it deserves and work together to assess what happened and how similar events can be prevented in the future.


Not that I'd ever expect that to actually happen.
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^ Exactly.

It was Nov. 8, sometime in the afternoon that I made a sudden and sobering realization. That not a single conservative person I personally know seems to have even a slender grasp on reality. They are all operating in the bubble, fueled by the media of their choosing which only serves to reinforce their existing beliefs.

It's gotten to the point I cannot even track what they are talking about -- their version of the events of the day is so different from the one the rest of the world seems to be grappling with.

I'm not saying there are NO conservatives operating in the same reality I recognize. It stands to reason there are quite a few. I'm just saying I personally don't know of any right now. Not a one.

I found myself trying, quite hard, that day, to have a reasonable, sane conversation with a couple of them, one a friend, the other a cousin. Both appeared to be, quite objectively, bat**** crazy and completely out of touch, spouting conspiracy theories and a lot of other nonsense.

Sad.
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Originally Posted by scrills
I recommend the freeze dried grapes. Better texture than the freeze dried mangos.
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do they last more than four scores and seven years? you never know how long this war will last
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i think this was a tragic event. in stead of focusing on the president, shouldnt we be focusing on getting the terriorist who did this? now if it comes to light that he knew about the attacks before hand and did nothing to stop it, he needs to be punshing right along side the terriorist.

And I so dont want to derail this thread, but obama is doing an amazing job as far as Sandy goes. I wish He was in office when Katrina hit. Where was bush? On freaking vacation!!! When the gov and mayor was begging for help? he was Celebrating Mccain's birthday!! when firefighters came to help what did he do? Instead of letting them help he used them as props in a photo opt. I dont have to look at pictures or hear about other peoples experiences, I was there and I know what happen. I know Bush took forever to help us. He seemed to ignore us. He lied when he said he knew nothing about the possibility of the levees breaking. He was video taped when he was notified by Michael Brown that the levees may not hold. His administration claimed that they had no clue, but everyone and their momma has been saying the levees would not hold for the pass 20 billion years!! Bush is full of ish and did nothing to help the people in new orleans. point blank!!

As far as 9/11 is anyone is really that delusional if they think Bush was honest. first of all, how the help we go from searching for bin laden, to "Iraq has WMD's and is going to kill us. oh yeah, we havnt found them yet but we know they are there. trust us. they are terrorist trying to kill us" Colin Powell has even said that was the biggest mistake America has ever made.
The reason why info was slow coming out from Benghazi because it had become a base of operation for the CIA. Two of the four victims were CIA operatives.

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