Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072101)

She hates mean girls and girls that act helpless. She loves video games. She hates dresses, skirts, high heels, and makeup. She hates shopping. She only fights when she needs too. She hates girls that physically fight over boys. She views guys as friends. She hates having girls as friends because of drama.

Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072106)

Why does your character think girls are always having catfights over guys, or that girls are the only ones who have drama? At the moment, all of my closest friends happen to be women and I really value my relationship with them. And I've known plenty of men with all sorts of drama, although I certainly don't use that to disqualify an entire gender as potential friends. I've been friends with a lot guys and I value those relationships too.

Also, it sounds like your character doesn't simply prefer not to wear traditionally feminine clothing. It sounds like she thinks it's bad to do traditionally feminine things because women are bad. And it sounds like she also thinks that masculine things are better because men are better than women. So in order to be a worthwhile person, a woman has to abandon everything that's culturally feminine and instead pursue culturally masculine hobbies, like playing video games.

Originally Posted by murrrcat (Post 2072111)

show me the receipts.


are you writing a story?

Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072110)

She is a tomboy because of her older brother and likes to be comfortable not because she thinks men are better than women. She doesn't think all girls catfight over boys but she hates the ones that do and it's a fact that girls cause more drama.

Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072116)

Well I mean, I get the feeling that she thinks girly things are bad. Am I getting that wrong?

And trust me, girls do not cause more drama! There are plenty of women and plenty of men who like to stir up trouble. And you'll probably hear a whole lot about it too, since so many guys only feel comfortable talking about their emotions with girls.

:) Anyway, what is your story about? Are you writing it for school or just for fun?

Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072118)

Sorry I didn't mean for anyone to think that and she's just not in to girly things and she's been that way since she was little. It's just for fun :icon_smile:

Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072123)

Oh, there wasn't anything you needed to apologize for :)

What kind of story is it? Mystery, adventure, fantasy... maybe more than one kind? Is it about all your own characters or is it about characters from a movie or something?

Books meant a lot to me when I was a kid, so I'd like to write a story too someday. I can never think of an original plot, though!

Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072119)

LOL, Eilonwy, you need to have a talk with the Korra fandom.

Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072130)

Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!

Originally Posted by murrrcat (Post 2072132)

*whispers* twilight

Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072130)

Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!

Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072134)

Flawlessness as a flaw is like the number one Mary Sue trait... along with having eyes that are some crazy color.

*whispers* twilight

Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072126)

To expand on Eilonwy's first post, you can have a character who prefers all the things you listed without hating high heels and other things considered feminine. Or she can have a reason why she hates them that isn't that boyish things are better.
The thing is that there are too many female characters that fall into the super-girly, but kicks ass group and also too many that hate all things "girly". Characters who simply fall somewhere in between are rarer.