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jenfitz 11-17-2012 09:10 PM

What do you think of my character?
 
My character is a fourteen year old girl. Her name is Isabel(Izzy for a nickname) because thats what i want to name my daughter if i ever have one. She has long wavy dark brown hair. She has dark eyes and olive skin. She is a tomboy. She is sarcastic a lot and can be stubborn and hotheaded. She loves soccer and softball. She loves music and books. Music is her life. Her favorite music genre is rock music. She has two older siblings who she would die for. She has a nephew and a niece who she loves. Her favorite color is black. She hates mean girls and girls that act helpless. She loves video games. She hates dresses, skirts, high heels, and makeup. She hates shopping. She only fights when she needs too. She hates girls that physically fight over boys. She views guys as friends. She hates having girls as friends because of drama. She has dyslexia and ADHD. She lives in the south.

Eilonwy 11-17-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072101)
She hates mean girls and girls that act helpless. She loves video games. She hates dresses, skirts, high heels, and makeup. She hates shopping. She only fights when she needs too. She hates girls that physically fight over boys. She views guys as friends. She hates having girls as friends because of drama.

Why does your character think girls are always having catfights over guys, or that girls are the only ones who have drama? At the moment, all of my closest friends happen to be women and I really value my relationship with them. And I've known plenty of men with all sorts of drama, although I certainly don't use that to disqualify an entire gender as potential friends. I've been friends with a lot guys and I value those relationships too.

Also, it sounds like your character doesn't simply prefer not to wear traditionally feminine clothing. It sounds like she thinks it's bad to do culturally feminine things because women are bad. And it sounds like she also thinks that culturally masculine things are better because men are better than women. So in order to be a worthwhile person, a woman has to abandon everything that's considered feminine and instead pursue "masculine" hobbies, like playing video games.

jenfitz 11-17-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072106)
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Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072101)
She hates mean girls and girls that act helpless. She loves video games. She hates dresses, skirts, high heels, and makeup. She hates shopping. She only fights when she needs too. She hates girls that physically fight over boys. She views guys as friends. She hates having girls as friends because of drama.

Why does your character think girls are always having catfights over guys, or that girls are the only ones who have drama? At the moment, all of my closest friends happen to be women and I really value my relationship with them. And I've known plenty of men with all sorts of drama, although I certainly don't use that to disqualify an entire gender as potential friends. I've been friends with a lot guys and I value those relationships too.

Also, it sounds like your character doesn't simply prefer not to wear traditionally feminine clothing. It sounds like she thinks it's bad to do traditionally feminine things because women are bad. And it sounds like she also thinks that masculine things are better because men are better than women. So in order to be a worthwhile person, a woman has to abandon everything that's culturally feminine and instead pursue culturally masculine hobbies, like playing video games.

She is a tomboy because of her older brother and likes to be comfortable not because she thinks men are better than women. She doesn't think all girls catfight over boys but she hates the ones that do and it's a fact that girls cause more drama.

murrrcat 11-17-2012 09:42 PM

show me the receipts.


are you writing a story?

jenfitz 11-17-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by murrrcat (Post 2072111)
show me the receipts.


are you writing a story?

Yes. receipts?

Saria 11-17-2012 09:47 PM

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Fact --- I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Eilonwy 11-17-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072110)
She is a tomboy because of her older brother and likes to be comfortable not because she thinks men are better than women. She doesn't think all girls catfight over boys but she hates the ones that do and it's a fact that girls cause more drama.

Well I mean, I get the feeling that she thinks girly things are bad. Am I getting that wrong?

And trust me, girls do not cause more drama! There are plenty of women and plenty of men who like to stir up trouble. And you'll probably hear a whole lot about it too, since so many guys only feel comfortable talking about their emotions with girls.

:) Anyway, what is your story about? Are you writing it for school or just for fun? I like that you gave your character some real flaws, like being stubborn and hot headed, instead of saying that her flaw is "being too perfect."

jenfitz 11-17-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072116)
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Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072110)
She is a tomboy because of her older brother and likes to be comfortable not because she thinks men are better than women. She doesn't think all girls catfight over boys but she hates the ones that do and it's a fact that girls cause more drama.

Well I mean, I get the feeling that she thinks girly things are bad. Am I getting that wrong?

And trust me, girls do not cause more drama! There are plenty of women and plenty of men who like to stir up trouble. And you'll probably hear a whole lot about it too, since so many guys only feel comfortable talking about their emotions with girls.

:) Anyway, what is your story about? Are you writing it for school or just for fun?

Sorry I didn't mean for anyone to think that and she's just not in to girly things and she's been that way since she was little. It's just for fun :)

Saria 11-17-2012 09:55 PM

LOL, Eilonwy, you need to have a talk with the Korra fandom.

jenfitz 11-17-2012 09:58 PM

I like that you gave your character some real flaws, like being stubborn and hot headed, instead of saying that her flaw is "being too perfect."[/QUOTE]
Thanks :)

Eilonwy 11-17-2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072118)
Sorry I didn't mean for anyone to think that and she's just not in to girly things and she's been that way since she was little. It's just for fun :icon_smile:

Oh, there wasn't anything you needed to apologize for :)

What kind of story is it? Mystery, adventure, fantasy... maybe more than one kind? Is it about all your own characters or is it about characters from a movie or something?

Books meant a lot to me when I was a kid, so I'd like to write a story too someday. I can never think of an original plot, though!

jenfitz 11-17-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072123)
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Originally Posted by jenfitz (Post 2072118)
Sorry I didn't mean for anyone to think that and she's just not in to girly things and she's been that way since she was little. It's just for fun :icon_smile:

Oh, there wasn't anything you needed to apologize for :)

What kind of story is it? Mystery, adventure, fantasy... maybe more than one kind? Is it about all your own characters or is it about characters from a movie or something?

Books meant a lot to me when I was a kid, so I'd like to write a story too someday. I can never think of an original plot, though!

I have so any plots for the story and I don't know which one to use! I love books too :)

Saria 11-17-2012 10:08 PM

To expand on Eilonwy's first post, you can have a character who prefers all the things you listed without hating high heels and other things considered feminine. Or she can have a reason why she hates them that isn't that boyish things are better.
The thing is that there are too many female characters that fall into the super-girly, but kicks ass group and also too many that hate all things "girly". Characters who simply fall somewhere in between are rarer.

Eilonwy 11-17-2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072119)
LOL, Eilonwy, you need to have a talk with the Korra fandom.

Ha! In my younger and more vulnerable years I tried reading some fanfiction. What could go wrong with reading more stories about characters I liked? I mean, a lot of it probably would have bad writing but some of it had to be good!

I absolutely avoid anything having to do with "fandom" for things that I like, but I loooove hearing about crazy fandoms for stuff I'm not interested in (see: Supernatural). Not that I've ever seen Avatar or its sequel series.

Saria 11-17-2012 10:12 PM

Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!

murrrcat 11-17-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072130)
Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!


*whispers* twilight

jenfitz 11-17-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by murrrcat (Post 2072132)
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Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072130)
Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!


*whispers* twilight

I hate Bella!

Eilonwy 11-17-2012 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072130)
Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!

Flawlessness as a flaw is like the number one Mary Sue trait... along with having eyes that are some crazy color.

*whispers* twilight

jenfitz 11-17-2012 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Eilonwy (Post 2072134)
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Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072130)
Thankfully I've found a community of reasonable Korra fans, but just reading someone get that flaws make a character more interesting reminds me of the mind-numbing stupidity and offensiveness of the fandom, complete with people who have straight up said that a certain character's flaw is that she has no flaws. Nooo, stop, just stop!

Flawlessness as a flaw is like the number one Mary Sue trait... along with having eyes that are some crazy color.

*whispers* twilight

Like red

Narnia 11-17-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saria (Post 2072126)
To expand on Eilonwy's first post, you can have a character who prefers all the things you listed without hating high heels and other things considered feminine. Or she can have a reason why she hates them that isn't that boyish things are better.
The thing is that there are too many female characters that fall into the super-girly, but kicks ass group and also too many that hate all things "girly". Characters who simply fall somewhere in between are rarer.

I agree with this. She sounds to "typical".


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