Florida reform school--more graves found - Page 2

thelio · 12-12-2012, 09:48 AM

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Oh yes!! The hunting down of the boys! How extreme was that? There were boys who were shot down like animals. If i lived there, I would wonder why they felt these boys were so dangerous they had to hunt them down like harden criminals, but yet have no barracades keeping the general public safe? I would had begin questioning things like that for the safety of my family. But yet, no one did. I find that strange.

That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.

I'm just thinking about the alleged murders. I would be stunned if the locals knew about and condoned that.

Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

naturaldoll · 12-12-2012, 10:33 AM

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Oh yes!! The hunting down of the boys! How extreme was that? There were boys who were shot down like animals. If i lived there, I would wonder why they felt these boys were so dangerous they had to hunt them down like harden criminals, but yet have no barracades keeping the general public safe? I would had begin questioning things like that for the safety of my family. But yet, no one did. I find that strange.

That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.

I'm just thinking about the alleged murders. I would be stunned if the locals knew about and condoned that.

Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

not to mention these weren't even violent offenders. boys went there for skipping school, shoplifting. some boys were only there because they didnt have capable parents and this was the age before widespread foster care. some boys were as young as 10. omg could you imagine being a 10 year old child who just lost your parents, and the courts sent you to this hell hole? omfg

this makes me think of a story I heard of as a kid. took place during this time period. a 4 year old girl is at the store with her mother and not knowing any better she pocketed a piece of candy. she ended up being arrested for grand theft and sentenced to hard labor on a chain gang until she was 21. along side grown male hardened criminals, away from her family. because of physical punishments inflicted on her during this time she grew up to have a host of medical problems, including infertility. I remember hearing this at 12 and being horrified, thinking this couldnt have happened often, my mom said it did. she said this is why black parents were super strict in the old days. the fear was your child would make some normal childish mistake and something like this would definately happen. so to protect your kids you had to have complete unwaivering control over them at all times.

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spiderlashes5000 · 12-12-2012, 10:38 AM

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Oh yes!! The hunting down of the boys! How extreme was that? There were boys who were shot down like animals. If i lived there, I would wonder why they felt these boys were so dangerous they had to hunt them down like harden criminals, but yet have no barracades keeping the general public safe? I would had begin questioning things like that for the safety of my family. But yet, no one did. I find that strange.

That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.

I'm just thinking about the alleged murders. I would be stunned if the locals knew about and condoned that.

Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

What's the name of the State-run juvenile correctional facility near you? Just curious.

spiderlashes5000 · 12-12-2012, 10:43 AM

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That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.

I'm just thinking about the alleged murders. I would be stunned if the locals knew about and condoned that.

Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

not to mention these weren't even violent offenders. boys went there for skipping school, shoplifting. some boys were only there because they didnt have capable parents and this was the age before widespread foster care. some boys were as young as 10. omg could you imagine being a 10 year old child who just lost your parents, and the courts sent you to this hell hole? omfg

How do you know what each resident of this facility was in for?

Reform schools were not orphanages. They are/were correctional facilities. Age 12-12.

And they are full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gang bangers, drug dealers, etc.

I'm not advocating kiling any of them. But they're no choir boys and there are armed guards on site for a reason.

juanab · 12-12-2012, 10:55 AM

A book was written called The White House Boys. This is a clip of a short film based on the book
http://youtu.be/I1TSCrrlabo

CurlyCanadian · 12-12-2012, 10:59 AM

This is the guy the youtube video is about.

author, Roger Dean Kiser

The whole thing is just sickening

juanab · 12-12-2012, 11:10 AM

I know the area they talking about and yes, there were those who had knowledge of what was going on.

spiderlashes5000 · 12-12-2012, 11:19 AM

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I know the area they talking about and yes, there were those who had knowledge of what was going on.

Do you know what the reason was?

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It's ironic bc "reform schools" were created as a reformation to the old, abusive practices of housing juvenile criminals along side of adult adult criminals in adult prisons. But now the juvenile residents are just being abused my the staff rather than by older inmates.

juanab · 12-12-2012, 11:24 AM

$$$$ was the reason. That area is rural and quite poor. Also, there is a thought process that if you were sent there, you deserved it and whatever happened to you.

Nallia · 12-12-2012, 11:26 AM

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Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

not to mention these weren't even violent offenders. boys went there for skipping school, shoplifting. some boys were only there because they didnt have capable parents and this was the age before widespread foster care. some boys were as young as 10. omg could you imagine being a 10 year old child who just lost your parents, and the courts sent you to this hell hole? omfg

How do you know what each resident of this facility was in for?

Reform schools were not orphanages. They are/were correctional facilities. Age 12-12.

And they are full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gang bangers, drug dealers, etc.

I'm not advocating kiling any of them. But they're no choir boys and there are armed guards on site for a reason.

There was a huge exposé done on this place a few years ago. There were violent underage criminals there, yes, but there are also a lot of children sent there who were not violent. A link to one of the older articles was posted earlier int the thread:

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For 109 years, this is where Florida has sent bad boys. Boys have been sent here for rape or assault, yes, but also for skipping school or smoking cigarettes or running hard from broken homes. Some were tough, some confused and afraid; all were treading through their formative years in the custody of the state. They were as young as 5, as old as 20, and they needed to be reformed.

It's so sad that it got so little attention that so few know about it even now.

spiderlashes5000 · 12-12-2012, 12:21 PM

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not to mention these weren't even violent offenders. boys went there for skipping school, shoplifting. some boys were only there because they didnt have capable parents and this was the age before widespread foster care. some boys were as young as 10. omg could you imagine being a 10 year old child who just lost your parents, and the courts sent you to this hell hole? omfg

How do you know what each resident of this facility was in for?

Reform schools were not orphanages. They are/were correctional facilities. Age 12-12.

And they are full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gang bangers, drug dealers, etc.

I'm not advocating kiling any of them. But they're no choir boys and there are armed guards on site for a reason.

There was a huge exposé done on this place a few years ago. There were violent underage criminals there, yes, but there are also a lot of children sent there who were not violent. A link to one of the older articles was posted earlier int the thread:

Of course, the residents were convicted of all different crimes. But I'm asking about the ones who escaped and were hunted down in the community. The previous poster is implying only the nonviolent ones were being targeting (see red). How does she know that?

I think we're all in aggreement that the murders and abuse were unconscienable.

But there were objections made to them being chased and hunted by the locals when they escaped. And I'm saying "so what" to that part.

thelio · 12-12-2012, 12:45 PM

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That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.

I'm just thinking about the alleged murders. I would be stunned if the locals knew about and condoned that.

Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

What's the name of the State-run juvenile correctional facility near you? Just curious.

the Charles Hickey School, i think its called or at aleast was called when i was growing up. i think they opened in the early 1900's. maybe even before this school. hate to admit, but i had some family sent there. it was for "bad kids" but they had programs to rtry to reform them. they learn trades, got an education, and counsling. i dont know the entire track record the the school. they could had treated kids very similar to the way the boys in florida was treated. What i do know is that when my relatives attended, they tried to help them. they did change policies over the years. i think it starting out olding kids under 13. now the ages are 13-17. im not 100% of how it is now.

naturaldoll · 12-12-2012, 01:04 PM

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How do you know what each resident of this facility was in for?

Reform schools were not orphanages. They are/were correctional facilities. Age 12-12.

And they are full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gang bangers, drug dealers, etc.

I'm not advocating kiling any of them. But they're no choir boys and there are armed guards on site for a reason.

There was a huge exposé done on this place a few years ago. There were violent underage criminals there, yes, but there are also a lot of children sent there who were not violent. A link to one of the older articles was posted earlier int the thread:

Of course, the residents were convicted of all different crimes. But I'm asking about the ones who escaped and were hunted down in the community. The previous poster is implying only the nonviolent ones were being targeting (see red). How does she know that?

I think we're all in aggreement that the murders and abuse were unconscienable.

But there were objections made to them being chased and hunted by the locals when they escaped. And I'm saying "so what" to that part.

I didnt imply anything of the kind, I was saying not every child there was some super violent drug dealer/rapist/murderer. some of the children in detention there were no violent offenders, and some werent offenders at all. the state did send orphaned boys to the school. and they weren't all 12-21. and even if the children were all violent offenders, the idea of having the townspeople hunt them down like dogs is highly disturbing.

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spiderlashes5000 · 12-12-2012, 01:13 PM

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Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.

What's the name of the State-run juvenile correctional facility near you? Just curious.

the Charles Hickey School, i think its called or at aleast was called when i was growing up. i think they opened in the early 1900's. maybe even before this school. hate to admit, but i had some family sent there. it was for "bad kids" but they had programs to rtry to reform them. they learn trades, got an education, and counsling. i dont know the entire track record the the school. they could had treated kids very similar to the way the boys in florida was treated. What i do know is that when my relatives attended, they tried to help them. they did change policies over the years. i think it starting out olding kids under 13. now the ages are 13-17. im not 100% of how it is now.

Hickey is definitely a juvenile corrections facility...and the site of a few infamous riots. Yes, they have armed guards and some very violent residents (inmates).

But yeah, I'm sure they do a great job of helping some of these kids.

spiderlashes5000 · 12-12-2012, 01:20 PM

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There was a huge exposé done on this place a few years ago. There were violent underage criminals there, yes, but there are also a lot of children sent there who were not violent. A link to one of the older articles was posted earlier int the thread:

Of course, the residents were convicted of all different crimes. But I'm asking about the ones who escaped and were hunted down in the community. The previous poster is implying only the nonviolent ones were being targeting (see red). How does she know that?

I think we're all in aggreement that the murders and abuse were unconscienable.

But there were objections made to them being chased and hunted by the locals when they escaped. And I'm saying "so what" to that part.

I didnt imply anything of the kind, I was saying not every child there was some super violent drug dealer/rapist/murderer. some of the children in detention there were no violent offenders, and some werent offenders at all. the state did send orphaned boys to the school. and they weren't all 12-21. and even if the children were all violent offenders, the idea of having the townspeople hunt them down like dogs is highly disturbing.

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Didn't you say, "not to mention these weren't even violent offenders."?

Would you feel better if an escaped criminal was left to run loose in your community?

thelio · 12-12-2012, 01:25 PM

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What's the name of the State-run juvenile correctional facility near you? Just curious.

the Charles Hickey School, i think its called or at aleast was called when i was growing up. i think they opened in the early 1900's. maybe even before this school. hate to admit, but i had some family sent there. it was for "bad kids" but they had programs to rtry to reform them. they learn trades, got an education, and counsling. i dont know the entire track record the the school. they could had treated kids very similar to the way the boys in florida was treated. What i do know is that when my relatives attended, they tried to help them. they did change policies over the years. i think it starting out olding kids under 13. now the ages are 13-17. im not 100% of how it is now.

Hickey is definitely a juvenile corrections facility...and the site of a few infamous riots. Yes, they have armed guards and some very violent residents (inmates).

But yeah, I'm sure they do a great job of helping some of these kids.

I dont really know anything about it now. But in baltimore city, the public schools have infamous riots. my high school had armed police on staff, so if the hinkey school is like that now i wouldnt be surprised. but i do now that if anyone escapes, the police go after them, not the citizens.

naturaldoll · 12-12-2012, 02:21 PM

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Of course, the residents were convicted of all different crimes. But I'm asking about the ones who escaped and were hunted down in the community. The previous poster is implying only the nonviolent ones were being targeting (see red). How does she know that?

I think we're all in aggreement that the murders and abuse were unconscienable.

But there were objections made to them being chased and hunted by the locals when they escaped. And I'm saying "so what" to that part.

I didnt imply anything of the kind, I was saying not every child there was some super violent drug dealer/rapist/murderer. some of the children in detention there were no violent offenders, and some werent offenders at all. the state did send orphaned boys to the school. and they weren't all 12-21. and even if the children were all violent offenders, the idea of having the townspeople hunt them down like dogs is highly disturbing.

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Didn't you say, "not to mention these weren't even violent offenders."?

Would you feel better if an escaped criminal was left to run loose in your community?

1. okay, I apologize I phrased that wrong

2. no I would rather the escaped child be apprehended by a trained police officer. not any fool with a gun looking for a check.

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SunshineGrrl · 12-12-2012, 02:22 PM

Hot holy hell. Did anybody make it through that whole pdf doc? That was some difficult and strange reading. And while it didn't discuss anything about beatings, it did disclose a lot of inhumane treatment and huge discrepancies of recording and reporting of deaths.

Curlyminx · 12-12-2012, 03:56 PM

I wish I could have opened that pdf. I tried a couple of times. It just froze my computer. Maybe there were a lot of people trying to download it at the same time or something. I definitely want to look at it.

It is so distressing to imagine this happening for so long.

Nallia · 12-12-2012, 03:59 PM

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How do you know what each resident of this facility was in for?

Reform schools were not orphanages. They are/were correctional facilities. Age 12-12.

And they are full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gang bangers, drug dealers, etc.

I'm not advocating kiling any of them. But they're no choir boys and there are armed guards on site for a reason.

There was a huge exposé done on this place a few years ago. There were violent underage criminals there, yes, but there are also a lot of children sent there who were not violent. A link to one of the older articles was posted earlier int the thread:

Of course, the residents were convicted of all different crimes. But I'm asking about the ones who escaped and were hunted down in the community. The previous poster is implying only the nonviolent ones were being targeting (see red). How does she know that?

I think we're all in aggreement that the murders and abuse were unconscienable.

But there were objections made to them being chased and hunted by the locals when they escaped. And I'm saying "so what" to that part.

Gotcha. Looks like I need better reading comprehension skills today.