Florida reform school--more graves found

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I wish I could have opened that pdf. I tried a couple of times. It just froze my computer. Maybe there were a lot of people trying to download it at the same time or something. I definitely want to look at it.

It is so distressing to imagine this happening for so long.
Originally Posted by Curlyminx
It's long...something like 100 pages or more. And it's pretty dry reading. I can't believe the amount of research that went into it (I knew it had to be founded in truth, of course, being a research project from FSU, but wow...the Bibliography page was something like 3 or 4 pages on it's own). They researched all the county records from 1900 on, tracked down death certificates, news clippings, looked through all the school record books since 1900 to 1970-whatever when the privacy act when into effect to find these kids records of entering and/or death. And at times I just wanted to stop reading, but I didn't want to miss anything important that might have been at the end. Some of it is blacked out and I'm not quite sure why. I have a laptop and figured out after the first couple sections that were blacked out that if I turned my screen a certain degree I could read the blacked out section. I don't know if it just didn't have the backup it needed to still be included with the report or they blacked it out because it didn't have much to do with the research or what, but I didn't see anything wrong with keeping it in. Of course, I'm not an expert.
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Yeah, my computer told me it was 121 pages before it crashed. I'm one of those readers that doesn't want to miss something either. So, while dry reading, I'm sure that I will read most if not all pages.

I just can't understand how this was allowed to continue for so long.




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y'all I've been trying to figure out what pdf y'all was talking about for the lONGEST TIME. I done went through these pages double reading everyones post and could not find a pdf....
y'all I've been trying to figure out what pdf y'all was talking about for the lONGEST TIME. I done went through these pages double reading everyones post and could not find a pdf....
Originally Posted by murrrcat
First post, first link.
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That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Our juvenile detention centers are hardware secured locked down facilities. The exterior fencing is the same as the adult facilities. Inside is very secure, I have not been inside the adult facilities so I cannot compare it. I don't believe an escapee is shot; however, I have only heard of attempted escapes where they have not gotten outside the building.
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Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Originally Posted by Poodlehead
I can not get this out of my head.

I work with boys who would possibly be sent there, if it was still open. It's overwhelming for me to think about
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Originally Posted by Poodlehead

Last edited by goldy; 12-12-2012 at 06:42 PM.
y'all I've been trying to figure out what pdf y'all was talking about for the lONGEST TIME. I done went through these pages double reading everyones post and could not find a pdf....
Originally Posted by murrrcat
First post, first link.
Originally Posted by CurlyCanadian

AND I'M STILL READING THE WRONG PDF

the link I posted had a pdf, of the article but with pictures.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...hoolReport.pdf
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I read half of what Murrrcat posted last night (good link btw) but I was so exhausted I was seeing double. I want to finish it soon and hopefully be able to open the above. I could not get the original to open last night or today.

I want to find information on a few different things. I read there had been an influenza outbreak at one point, and that counted for some of the bodies. That might be fact. Some (over the years) would be orphans or simply have their bodies unclaimed by family, so yes it would be possible for the to be buried there. BUT these un marked graves... That should never happen.

Did they prey upon the ones without families more? I do not doubt it. How many tried to claim their child? Ugh! 20 questions.

It will be horrifying and (I hate to use this word in this situation but...) interesting to find out exactly how many graves they uncover.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 12-12-2012 at 07:07 PM.
And I do know they can not determine specific things from the bodies they have found so far, but anything they can find to help uncover more and possibly answer some questions or shed some light will be a good thing.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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I kept meaning to come back here and tell the poster(s) having trouble w/their computer, that the pdf was 100+ pages. My bad, sorry about that. I wish I knew of a way to get it readable for those who can't pull it up.

I do want to try and look at it closer when I'm alone and can really peruse it. It's a lot to read over.

Also, I will try and find that mention I saw about locals possibly getting a share of the school's supplies/provisions. I will def look for it tomorrow and post the link.

I want to read some of the books written by former inmates there, but I'm not sure if I can handle it Sometimes I can, other times I can't.

I can't believe the men's case was dismissed due to statute of limitations, smdh.

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I can not get this out of my head.

I work with boys who would possibly be sent there, if it was still open. It's overwhelming for me to think about
Originally Posted by goldy
!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever hear of anything amiss about the place? I read that boys in other facilities would be threatened with being sent there if they didn't straighten up.

I also wonder how things were in more recent years, closer to its demise--were there any allegations/incidents of abuse in very recent years?



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Last edited by sinistral55; 12-12-2012 at 07:52 PM.
Yeah, it took me a little while to find the pdf, too. I was like, WTH pdf are you guys seeing that I can't find?!

I would have been horrified to have a kid I knew there, but I hardly think it has been the hell described for a while because of the certifications you have to go through. Back during the times described in the pdf report (largely roughly 1913-1960), there weren't regulations for any of this kind of stuff. We were pretty much in wars or recovering from wars during most of that time. Not to mention the Depression was going on, too. People lost their jobs, were having their wages cut, were dying because the health conditions were bad, etc. So no homes, bad homes, crime were all pretty prevalent. There were largely more "colored" people in this school than "white" people and being in the South, I can't imagine living and trying to get a job as a "colored" person could have been easy, so parents couldn't support their kids. For some kids, it might even have seemed like a reprieve because they had an actual place to sleep when they may have been homeless before.

As for shooting runaways and townspeople helping, I can't imagine it was so foreign a concept back in the beginning. Records don't actually say when townspeople were helping to hunt kids down. And they were in the country and a small town, right? It's hard to have a sufficient police force to hunt down kids that were running through farms and the country. I don't agree with it, but I can understand how it could happen.
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Where I'm from the youth detention centers (they are not called prisons) are not like this. they are not shot down unless they are threatening others lives. the most dangerous offenders are sent to places with fences and walls. and those who escaped are questioned about their motives. They are still children and are treated as such.
Originally Posted by thelio
not to mention these weren't even violent offenders. boys went there for skipping school, shoplifting. some boys were only there because they didnt have capable parents and this was the age before widespread foster care. some boys were as young as 10. omg could you imagine being a 10 year old child who just lost your parents, and the courts sent you to this hell hole? omfg
Originally Posted by naturaldoll
How do you know what each resident of this facility was in for?

Reform schools were not orphanages. They are/were correctional facilities. Age 12-12.

And they are full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, gang bangers, drug dealers, etc.

I'm not advocating kiling any of them. But they're no choir boys and there are armed guards on site for a reason.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

The article stated that not all were there for actual crimes. Some were there because of other reasons, and some were as young as 5. The number of violent to non-violent, we don't know.

But why have the townspeople hunt them down? Why not just put up a fence or have law enforcement handle it?


While I may not like criminals escaping, I also don't want my neighbors shooting at every shadow they see in the middle of the night
Just curious, Spidey, are you in corrections?
If anybody thinks it'll work better or differently, I can e-mail the pdf to you. I was able to access it again and save it to my computer.
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If this has been posted already, I apologize--


...it makes for very unpleasant reading. Be warned.


This article mentions that the school's own records show that many of these kids were in there for truancy, stealing, running away from home and other minor infractions, not hard serious crimes. Most of what I've read elsewhere stated the same thing. Many were also orphans who just got, I guess, lost in the shuffle and ended up there.

Last edited by sinistral55; 12-13-2012 at 07:34 AM.
That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Our juvenile detention centers are hardware secured locked down facilities. The exterior fencing is the same as the adult facilities. Inside is very secure, I have not been inside the adult facilities so I cannot compare it. I don't believe an escapee is shot; however, I have only heard of attempted escapes where they have not gotten outside the building.
Originally Posted by goldy
The big one here is very secure indoors but it consists of many buildings on a huge campus, and residents are often outdoors, being taken from bilding to building. Like the one here is the main medical center for all the juvenile facilities across the state. They all come through this facility and have to be processed and then taken for physicals, then taken for whatever tx they need, then taken to eat, then taken to class, then taken for recreation, etc. COs are always walking residents across the campus...and the residents are not restrained at all.

I've been in both (juv and adult prisons) and the adults ones are more secure...but IMO the juv inmates are worse!

I did an internship in a prison when I was in college (and my exbf has been a CO in juv prisons for 20 years) so I'm kinda interested in this topic.
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That's still how it is at juvenile prisons nowadays. If a resident escapes, he/sh will be shot. And there are no fences or walls. Totally typical.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Our juvenile detention centers are hardware secured locked down facilities. The exterior fencing is the same as the adult facilities. Inside is very secure, I have not been inside the adult facilities so I cannot compare it. I don't believe an escapee is shot; however, I have only heard of attempted escapes where they have not gotten outside the building.
Originally Posted by goldy
The big one here is very secure indoors but it consists of many buildings on a huge campus, and residents are often outdoors, being taken from bilding to building. Like the one here is the main medical center for all the juvenile facilities across the state. They all come through this facility and have to be processed and then taken for physicals, then taken for whatever tx they need, then taken to eat, then taken to class, then taken for recreation, etc. COs are always walking residents across the campus...and the residents are not restrained at all.

I've been in both (juv and adult prisons) and the adults ones are more secure...but IMO the juv inmates are worse!

I did an internship in a prison when I was in college (and my exbf has been a CO in juv prisons for 20 years) so I'm kinda interested in this topic.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
It is a huge deal to walk one of our youth from one building to the other. I believe it requires shackles & officers. They are allowed very limited time outside as well. They do get outside time in the fenced in basketball court & yard. They do attend school, at the center, each day so they're not just locked up in their cells. Each facility has its own medical clinic. However, at this time it's not 24hr nursing care.
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Originally Posted by Poodlehead
I can not get this out of my head.

I work with boys who would possibly be sent there, if it was still open. It's overwhelming for me to think about
Originally Posted by goldy
!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever hear of anything amiss about the place? I read that boys in other facilities would be threatened with being sent there if they didn't straighten up.

I also wonder how things were in more recent years, closer to its demise--were there any allegations/incidents of abuse in very recent years?



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Originally Posted by sinistral55
I just began working there in September of this year. But, a lot of my youth go to programs, which this was. I think DJJ has now privatized all the programs though. I don't know if any of my repeat offender youths ever were there. I haven't heard anything about it.
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Originally Posted by Poodlehead
15 year old girl battered by prison guards in FL juvenile prison video

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