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Old 01-16-2013, 02:21 PM   #21
 
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there is a Twitter account that tracks gun deaths in the US and according to all the information they have been able to compile, in the month since the Newtown shooting, almost 1,000 Americans have died due to shooting.

about 30 people - every single day...
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Before I understood the difference between the terms "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" and what exactly those things are I would have agreed 100% they should be banned. I thought what they were trying to ban was a machine gun style type weapon that could fire multiple rounds continuously and couldn't figure out why anyone would be against that, but from the reading I've done I now know what I thought and what the reality is are two different things.

Ban assault rifles because they're fully automatic? Absolutely. Ban assault weapons (which is a term I totally don't get, ALL guns are assault weapons, so I don't know where this term originates since it's referring to certain things that are added to rifles that change their look), I haven't figured out what good that does when a rifle is still a rifle even if it has a pistol grip, collapsible stock and flash suppressor on it.

I 100% agree with stricter background checks and was shocked today when I heard you don't even need one to buy at a gun show. This should definitely be a requirement for anyone buying a gun be it a private sale, gun shop or gun show.

I'm certainly no gun expert, far from it, but after doing a little reading trying to figure out where I stand on all of this instead of just jumping to a conclusion because I don't like guns, it seems like the gun ban and magazine restriction they're proposing wouldn't do much to keep a tragedy like the one in Newtown from happening again and I'd like to see a real solution instead of terms thrown around that scare the people who aren't gun savvy (like me).

There is probably more reading to be done on my part and information to process, but I have to start somewhere and these are my views thus far.
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the gun stores are going crazy it's like black friday but with guns.
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I was just watching some forensic show about 2 teenage thrill killers during the 1920's. During the trial, they were putting the blame on reading too many detective novels.

I guess some things never really change.
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Before I understood the difference between the terms "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" and what exactly those things are I would have agreed 100% they should be banned. I thought what they were trying to ban was a machine gun style type weapon that could fire multiple rounds continuously and couldn't figure out why anyone would be against that, but from the reading I've done I now know what I thought and what the reality is are two different things.

Ban assault rifles because they're fully automatic? Absolutely. Ban assault weapons (which is a term I totally don't get, ALL guns are assault weapons, so I don't know where this term originates since it's referring to certain things that are added to rifles that change their look), I haven't figured out what good that does when a rifle is still a rifle even if it has a pistol grip, collapsible stock and flash suppressor on it.

I 100% agree with stricter background checks and was shocked today when I heard you don't even need one to buy at a gun show. This should definitely be a requirement for anyone buying a gun be it a private sale, gun shop or gun show.

I'm certainly no gun expert, far from it, but after doing a little reading trying to figure out where I stand on all of this instead of just jumping to a conclusion because I don't like guns, it seems like the gun ban and magazine restriction they're proposing wouldn't do much to keep a tragedy like the one in Newtown from happening again and I'd like to see a real solution instead of terms thrown around that scare the people who aren't gun savvy (like me).

There is probably more reading to be done on my part and information to process, but I have to start somewhere and these are my views thus far.
The "gun show loop hole" absolutely needs to be closed. Some licensed gun dealers do sell at them, and do back ground checks on the spot. They can phone them in. You run into problems with private dealers. A person from *insert state here* can sell to another person from *exact same state* without any checks. There are a few other little cracks.

The background checks are pretty thorough. They check several record systems, but again, you have the legal loop holes.

*A longer waiting period and perhaps more personal checks (speak with family or...) would be a good addition. That would not always be ideal (people lie) either, but... It might be helpful.
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I was just watching some forensic show about 2 teenage thrill killers during the 1920's. During the trial, they were putting the blame on reading too many detective novels.

I guess some things never really change.

Yeah, some outside influence has always been blamed. A novel, art, radio shows, music, tv, movies, and video games.
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there's more background checking involved with getting insurance than with guns. it seems more people are denied healthcare than guns.
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there are no words...

Rush Limbaugh: 'You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun' - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic



and people take this man *seriously*?????

apparently, yesterday he was mocking the children of Newtown who wrote to the president...

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here it is:

Rush Limbaugh: Kids were ?human shields? - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com
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They could do like with college loans or leases and have a cosigner for getting a gun and if the person who gets the gum gets in any trouble with it some of it falls on the other person. Okay that's kinda crazy I know but it could inhibit bad things because the other person would be like oh snap they're acting sketch let me report them before I get in trouble.
But there are a million ways that could go wrong. Or not change anything at all. The cosigner could steal their gun but that wouldn't change anything that happens now anyway. Or there'd be less guns BC no one would sign for anyone cause everyone crazy anyway and ya can't trust no one.

That's what I would do in my world but in my world we wouldn't have guns we'd have wands and the ministry *cough* I mean government would know once your wand did an illegal curse.
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Rou, I'm not even going to open those links because I can without a doubt say that he's an asinine idiot. I refuse to give his thoughts even a millisecond of attention.
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^^^but millions of people in your country DO believe what he says.

it's sick.

and the sad thing is that the right-wing in Canada is picking up on it; now they have a TV network of their own with their very own versions of Glen Beck and Ann Coulter...

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Springy, with my personal feelings out of it, and from an information and idea stand point only, I wish you the best of luck when it comes to reading and making up your own mind.

The amount of misinformation on the interwebs in criminal. I found myself reading so many different articles and cussing. It's the biggest cluster **** I have ever seen.
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i have gotten some great information from people i actually know. i have several friends or relatives in the military i also have a friend who is a certified intructor and member of the NRA. they all agree we need tougher gun laws, but other things in this country has to change along with it. one friend said, which i kinda agree with, that everyone knows things are effened up but are so busy not wanting to be blamed and wanting to blame others that nothing is really going to change. they may pass something to try to please everyone, but in the end nothing will change.
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Before I understood the difference between the terms "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" and what exactly those things are I would have agreed 100% they should be banned. I thought what they were trying to ban was a machine gun style type weapon that could fire multiple rounds continuously and couldn't figure out why anyone would be against that, but from the reading I've done I now know what I thought and what the reality is are two different things.

Ban assault rifles because they're fully automatic? Absolutely. Ban assault weapons (which is a term I totally don't get, ALL guns are assault weapons, so I don't know where this term originates since it's referring to certain things that are added to rifles that change their look), I haven't figured out what good that does when a rifle is still a rifle even if it has a pistol grip, collapsible stock and flash suppressor on it.

I 100% agree with stricter background checks and was shocked today when I heard you don't even need one to buy at a gun show. This should definitely be a requirement for anyone buying a gun be it a private sale, gun shop or gun show.

I'm certainly no gun expert, far from it, but after doing a little reading trying to figure out where I stand on all of this instead of just jumping to a conclusion because I don't like guns, it seems like the gun ban and magazine restriction they're proposing wouldn't do much to keep a tragedy like the one in Newtown from happening again and I'd like to see a real solution instead of terms thrown around that scare the people who aren't gun savvy (like me).

There is probably more reading to be done on my part and information to process, but I have to start somewhere and these are my views thus far.
Here is an interesting link with some information to go along with your post.

The Truth About Assault Weapons
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I never realized this until now. The NRA lobby has blocked research on gun injuries and deaths, which hopefully is now changing.
http://www.pressconnects.com/article...o-gun-violence

.....But wait! I thought the NRA's position was that gun ownership makes people safer.
NRA-ILA | Statement from the National Rifle Association of America
If this is true, wouldn't they want research done so it could support their stance and strengthen their argument?
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I don't believe that making more laws will create that much change. If someone wants to get a gun and go shoot some people do you think they will mind breaking some laws to obtain the gun? No. It might deter some if they can't readily find a gun but its just like drugs. There are all sorts of laws to stop people from buying and using drugs yet it still happens.

I think we need to determine what is the underlying reason as to why violence is so prevalent in our society. I don't know what it is but something is wrong when so many people have such a lack of respect for others and life.
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The amount of misinformation on the interwebs in criminal. I found myself reading so many different articles and cussing. It's the biggest cluster **** I have ever seen.
You've certainly got that right. We're lucky to have access to so much information, but in a lot of instances finding out the source of the information you're reading and if it's factual is almost as involved as the topic you're researching.

Krayt, thanks for the link. It certainly explains the differences and is exactly the confusion I had about the difference. I'm married to an avid gun enthusiast who is a walking gun encyclopedia and I didn't even have a clue what the differences were because guns are just not something I'm interested in.

One thing I'm trying to understand is why the huge push to ban those types of rifles when it seems handguns and smaller weapons are what is more likely to be used in a crime?
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i have gotten some great information from people i actually know. i have several friends or relatives in the military i also have a friend who is a certified intructor and member of the NRA. they all agree we need tougher gun laws, but other things in this country has to change along with it. one friend said, which i kinda agree with, that everyone knows things are effened up but are so busy not wanting to be blamed and wanting to blame others that nothing is really going to change. they may pass something to try to please everyone, but in the end nothing will change.
I get frustrated because almost every site has different info on background checks. It makes me mad for people. One person might read something that says no states do background check, and another seemingly up and up source says 20 states do them, and another seemingly legit source says "if the people entering the information into NCIC put the address in wrong, by mistake, the whole background check will be messed up and that person might get a gun anyway."

#1. I have been working on NCIC for 10 years. We do a signed double check system.
#2. It's not checked by address. Addresses can be trivial. People move.
#3. I hope people have read the Brady Act. This is why the president is discussing closing the gun show loop holes.

It just gets more frustrating for me, on behalf of others who might be trying to make an informed decision, because I know the ins and outs of the background check system.
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The amount of misinformation on the interwebs in criminal. I found myself reading so many different articles and cussing. It's the biggest cluster **** I have ever seen.
You've certainly got that right. We're lucky to have access to so much information, but in a lot of instances finding out the source of the information you're reading and if it's factual is almost as involved as the topic you're researching.

One thing I'm trying to understand is why the huge push to ban those types of rifles when it seems handguns and smaller weapons are what is more likely to be used in a crime?
Oh yes to number one. I would rather people make their own informed decisions, no matter what they might be, but half this stuff is enough to make you mad as a hatter.


I would say they want the ban on that type of weapon because it is the most likely to be used in mass shootings, and causes the maximum loss of lives. It is also a huge problem for law enforcement on the streets. It's much harder to handle a situation where someone is using a weapon that sprays bullets, and can cut through cars and building, than someone with a handgun. *and you have the questions of types, modifications, clips, etc. and being able to buy large supplies of bullets in one purchase, on and on* :-/

One more thing and then I will hush. I believe high capacity magazines were used at SHE. If I am not mistaken you can buy mags for the AR-15 that hold 30, 60 and 100 rounds. Perhaps more, I am not sure. That's a great deal of fire power.
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