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Old 01-04-2013, 11:49 AM   #21
 
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I'd personally bring it up with management but that's just me. Maybe suggest they send out a memo to everyone, and if that doesn't work, management should contact them directly - this is not something that I think should be handled by you, as you risk your job if she takes it wrong (why wouldn't she, you're telling her she stinks, right?).

In that link posted (diseases that cause people to stink) I can vouch for the diabetes one. Before I was diagnosed I smelled like fruit loops. Even though I showered daily.

... I to this day cannot stand the smell of fruit loops or anything that smells even remotely like fruit loops.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:14 PM   #22
 
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Once something REALLY bothers me, I take a more direct approach. I pull the person aside and start off by saying "do you mind if I offer you some unsolicited advice...."

I would be weery about signs or memos. She may not think they apply to her.
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She will if they are posted as mandatory to follow.^^
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:23 PM   #24
 
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^^ If the rules are general, she could still ignore it. Can you really make it mandatory to shower at least every 4 days? What would the rule(s) be?
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During college I worked at a cosmetics store, and one of the employees had eleven cats. She smelled like someone who lived with eleven cats. Like, your eyes would tear if you got too close, and there were days where you could smell her from yards away. The rest of us finally begged the manager to do something because holy hell no one should walk around smelling like. While she was never pleasant-smelling up close (dude, 11 cats), it got a lot better.
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^^ If the rules are general, she could still ignore it. Can you really make it mandatory to shower at least every 4 days? What would the rule(s) be?
Yeah, you could. But there's no way to know for certain how often people shower. Hence, the possibility of illness being the cause of her BO.
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Could you go to mgmt and say that a customer had complained to you about her (but that the customer wanted to keep it quiet, so to speak)? You could say that you and your colleagues had noticed it and were now concerned that customers were noticing too. They may be more inclined to address it if they think it's affecting business.
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Could you go to mgmt and say that a customer had complained to you about her (but that the customer wanted to keep it quiet, so to speak)? You could say that you and your colleagues had noticed it and were now concerned that customers were noticing too. They may be more inclined to address it if they think it's affecting business.
That is a great suggestion. If customers notice it, then they'll probably go elsewhere.

I once went to a Subway restaurant where an employee smelled so much like cigarette smoke that I never went back to that location. It disgusted me because his smell was so strong that it overpowered the smell of the food. Although this location was close to me, I would drive farther to another location because I was that grossed out.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:59 PM   #29
 
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Good idea Starmie.

Would it be acceptable to email management about this?
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I don't see why not. they tend to like having things in writing ime.
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Thing is, everytime there's a problem at work the others seem to expect me to say something because they won't. I've been the one who brought up everyone's complaints before.
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A bar of soap on her desk? Isn't that a little mean?
Definitely! I would feel really offended and sad, maybe even bullyied if someone ever did this to me!



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i agree. i wouldnt do that. the idea about sending a memo to everyone is a better approach.

we had a situation where a co-worker would bring curry to work for lunch. another co-worker didnt like the smell and wrote a letter and left it on the coworkers desk. we all veiwed it offensive mainly because she did it secretly. if she had gone to the co worker and told her privatley the coworker could had easily begin to eat her lucnh in the lunchroom. our boss didnt like the lady's approach or the way she worded her letter either so she was fired (i never read the letter, but it apparently came off as bullying, rude, and racist. i'm unsure if this was the lady who wrote it intent). i wouldnt live a bar of soap on someones desk, it could put your job at risk. it could come off in a way you did not mean.
I would definitely think there is a high potential of racism if someone is complaining about a curry smell. A lot of foods have odour. If there is a lunch room where food is to be eaten, people may eat things that have a strong smell and there's nothing wrong with that. If you are sensitive to or bothered by a smell then you are the one who needs to eat elsewhere. If people are bringing food into other areas of the workplace, there could be a rule that no food of any kind is to be eaten there because of the smells*, but to single out curry in particular definitely seems racist - there are plenty of other foods with strong smells (fish, microwave popcorn, many kinds of meat, certain cheeses, vinegar,certain salad dressings, etc. etc. etc. )

*not counting someone snacking on, say, an apple or crackers at their desk, but no hot foods or something like that?
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:31 AM   #33
 
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A friend of a friend has really bad BO, and she says it is due to a medical condition - some kind of hormonal disorder. She also has very bad acne, excessive facial and body hair, excessive oiliness of her hair, and is obese with great difficulty losing the weight, all as a result of the disorder. She apparently is very sad because all of these things and especially the BO make her feel it is impossible to date and get married. I don't know the exact nature of the disorder or why it isn't treatable, as she claims her doctor told her. She's been approached at work before about her BO but she says she can't do anything about it. It would in fact potentially violate her human rights to have her workplace make an issue of this if it is due to a medical condition.

I guess I would only go to the wall on this if there are concrete problems with the BO. Are the co-workers really suffering from it, or are they just catching the occassional whiff here and there? ie. if someone is pregnant or otherwise has a weak stomach or some extra sensitivity to smells and is getting sick, or it's giving someone headaches and dizziness, or something like that, then there is a health concern. Are customers complaining or likely being affected by being forced to smell her for a significant period of time? Are there suspicions that she's not washing her hands or is otherwise contaminating the work space or product? I would think in a pharmacy, good hygiene would be extremely important, and also the impression and appearance of good hygiene. At least in one pharmacy where my friend works, you can't have your hair out or wear nailpolish or rings at work. I would definitely approach it from this angle and make sure it doesn't come across as "ewww, gross, she smells and we all don't like her."

I agree that the personal space thing can be addressed one on one as different people have different understandings of personal space in a conversation. Perhaps once that is addressed the BO will be less bothersome.
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It's also cowardly. Either you take the bull by the horns and say something, you try and address the issue more generally realizing that it may or may not make a difference, or you suck it up. But doing stuff like this anonymously is unlikely to do much other than offend and upset the person. And I doubt it is that simplistic of a problem. I would imagine that someone who works in a pharmacy has access to soap.
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i agree. i wouldnt do that. the idea about sending a memo to everyone is a better approach.

we had a situation where a co-worker would bring curry to work for lunch. another co-worker didnt like the smell and wrote a letter and left it on the coworkers desk. we all veiwed it offensive mainly because she did it secretly. if she had gone to the co worker and told her privatley the coworker could had easily begin to eat her lucnh in the lunchroom. our boss didnt like the lady's approach or the way she worded her letter either so she was fired (i never read the letter, but it apparently came off as bullying, rude, and racist. i'm unsure if this was the lady who wrote it intent). i wouldnt live a bar of soap on someones desk, it could put your job at risk. it could come off in a way you did not mean.
I would definitely think there is a high potential of racism if someone is complaining about a curry smell. A lot of foods have odour. If there is a lunch room where food is to be eaten, people may eat things that have a strong smell and there's nothing wrong with that. If you are sensitive to or bothered by a smell then you are the one who needs to eat elsewhere. If people are bringing food into other areas of the workplace, there could be a rule that no food of any kind is to be eaten there because of the smells*, but to single out curry in particular definitely seems racist - there are plenty of other foods with strong smells (fish, microwave popcorn, many kinds of meat, certain cheeses, vinegar,certain salad dressings, etc. etc. etc. )

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that's what everyone at work thought and why our boss was so angry. as you said about the bar of soap, its cowardly and the situation wasnt even that serious to us that would warrant a secret letter. we are unsure if it was racist or not, the coworker with the curry was from Sri lanka and the co worker who wrote the letter was mixed with black, white, and something else i forget. what grind our cares was how she left a letter on her desk and it really hurt the lady's feelings. I would imagine someone coming to their desk to find a bar of soap would make them feel horrible. what would that accomplish?

cl, if the smell doesnt bother you, i wouldnt say anything then your coworkers would learn that they have to deal with some situations themselves. but if it does, and no one else is willing to bring it up, i guess it falls on your shoulders again. hope you can get this resolved soon.
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The way CL described it, that the woman starts out the week smelling fine but is getting BO by mid to end of week, makes me think it is not a medical condition but simply not bathing enough.

The best suggestion to me is to have the management send a memo or notice to all employees about personal hygiene. That way she's not being singled out and embarrassed.
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^^ If the rules are general, she could still ignore it. Can you really make it mandatory to shower at least every 4 days? What would the rule(s) be?
Every 4 days??????? LOL
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i agree. i wouldnt do that. the idea about sending a memo to everyone is a better approach.

we had a situation where a co-worker would bring curry to work for lunch. another co-worker didnt like the smell and wrote a letter and left it on the coworkers desk. we all veiwed it offensive mainly because she did it secretly. if she had gone to the co worker and told her privatley the coworker could had easily begin to eat her lucnh in the lunchroom. our boss didnt like the lady's approach or the way she worded her letter either so she was fired (i never read the letter, but it apparently came off as bullying, rude, and racist. i'm unsure if this was the lady who wrote it intent). i wouldnt live a bar of soap on someones desk, it could put your job at risk. it could come off in a way you did not mean.
I would definitely think there is a high potential of racism if someone is complaining about a curry smell. A lot of foods have odour. If there is a lunch room where food is to be eaten, people may eat things that have a strong smell and there's nothing wrong with that. If you are sensitive to or bothered by a smell then you are the one who needs to eat elsewhere. If people are bringing food into other areas of the workplace, there could be a rule that no food of any kind is to be eaten there because of the smells*, but to single out curry in particular definitely seems racist - there are plenty of other foods with strong smells (fish, microwave popcorn, many kinds of meat, certain cheeses, vinegar,certain salad dressings, etc. etc. etc. )

*not counting someone snacking on, say, an apple or crackers at their desk, but no hot foods or something like that?
I believe she was asked to eat in the lunch room and not at her desk because of the odor. Most people can't stand the smell of curry but are okay with other food smells since that's what they are used to. It's a majority rules situation.
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There's a woman at work who quite frankly stinks. She starts the week not smelling but by mid-week she starts to smell and then stinks at the end of it. It's like she only bathes once a week.

How do I bring this up? And who do I mention it too? Or do I and everyone else just have to accept it?
Does she look dirty and unkempt?

Everytime I hear about ppl who stink due to medical reasons beyond their control, they usually make a big effort to be very neat in appearance, so as to try to counter any judgments or generalizations about them. And to try to minimize the offense.

So you don't want to say much to ppl like that bc it's out of their control and they are doing the best they can.

But if someone is just dirty and gross, I wouldn't hold back as much. Ppl like that are unprofessional and even kinda antisocial. I wouldn't have much patience for them. There may even be MH issues at play. They just need to be told what's expected. respectfully. But very firmly and directly IMO.

I have literally vomited bc ppl around me were gross and malodorous
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No she's not dirty or messy. It's just as the week goes on she starts to pong. I'm wondering if she's wearing the same clothes more than once or twice? Or just doesn't use deoderant.
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