I fired an intern. On my birthday. Or maybe not? Awkward awkward awkward...

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First and foremost, Happy Birthday!

Second, it didn't slip her mind. She knew she had this trip when she applied for the internship. It wasn't a spur of the moment situation. The responsible and mature thing to do would have been to mention it at the interview or once she accepted the internship and ask to take the time off. If she was told she couldn't take the time, then suck it up or quit. Now she knows, hard lesson to learn. Better to learn it early, when she has so little to lose.
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Yeah. Better to learn early. Sounds like a downside of being well off. She probably hasn't had to handle much responsibility yet.
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Yeah. Better to learn early. Sounds like a downside of being well off. She probably hasn't had to handle much responsibility yet.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Agreed!

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i think this thread is a subtle clever way to let us know its her BD.
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i think this thread is a subtle clever way to let us know its her BD.
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Subtle?
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Happy Birthday!

Makes you feel better my hubby had to go in the day after Christmas and fire 2 people. He hated it...they wanted them fired right before but he refused. I can't decide which is worse..fired before or after. Either stinks.
Calling BS on the vacation 'slipping her mind'. Who forgets they're going away?

It sucks for her but there you go. She'll learn from it.
Happy (happy happy) Birthday!!

I believe your boss made the right decision. A few years ago mine hired a girl who simply could not grasp the job, or protocol. She burst into tears on day 5, and did not stop crying. Anytime she messed up, or broke the rules, tears would flow and a story of her childhood neglect would randomly be thrown in to deflect from the matter at hand. I recommended termination, when asked about her progress, soon after she started. She was in no way mature enough to handle the job, and had no urge to correct her mistakes. She just wanted a pay check and to be pampered.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Yeah. Better to learn early. Sounds like a downside of being well off. She probably hasn't had to handle much responsibility yet.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I see this, with a specific age group, despite their families financial status. Sure, the ones who are well off seem to be a little worse, but they all have some of the same issues. The one I mentioned in my last post was being bribed with money, by her parents, to keep her job. She was 26. I think it's a result of helicopter parenting. I truly do hate to say it, but every employee my boss has hired in the past 5 years, with exception of ONE, that is in their 20's, has been a complete bust. Refusal to wash their dishes, clean up spilled food or drink,asking people to do their work for them on a daily basis because "it's too hard" or "I can't", walking away from the job if they can't take off, etc. Even ones who have been there for 5 years are still refusing to do specific aspects of the job and asking their partners to do it for them. Unfortunately, they work with ones who will. A great disservice has been done.

And don't get me wrong. I remember what it was like to be 21 (minimum age requirement to do my job). Would I have been ready? Oh no! Not even close, but if you come in at 26, cry until you get your way, ask people to do t for you, and at 30 you still can not fully do your job, there is a problem.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


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I've lucked out. Many of my co workers are in their 20s. Most of them are diligent, hard workers who are good team players. But, the company can afford to be picky. There are far more applicants than positions. If someone doesn't work out, they're gone and pretty easily replaced.
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I've lucked out. Many of my co workers are in their 20s. Most of them are diligent, hard workers who are good team players. But, the company can afford to be picky. There are far more applicants than positions. If someone doesn't work out, they're gone and pretty easily replaced.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
That is fantastic. We end up with many applicants that are frequent caller. Um, no. My boss goes with who seems best suited, but it rarely pans out. Many are excited by the prospect that they are surrounded by a sea of extended male co workers, many think the job sounds "cool" but when they learn the real in's and outs they do not want to put in the effort. It's much more than anyone bargains for.

I can not stand it when co workers cover for others. It's not that I want people to get in trouble. I want them to do good and be able to do the full job without blinking. Many can, or could have,they just won't. They are terrified of making a mistake and owning up to it. *Some refuse to believe they can ever do wrong and will try to throw everyone under the bus, over a simple mistake with no consequence than lesson learned, rather than admit and correct.* When their parent partner is out sick... It's not good. They are lost.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 01-10-2013 at 10:10 AM.
^To a small extent, I do agree with you Fifi, but then everyone is different. We have a couple of people in my department that are in their 20's. One of them is hardworking and responsible, the other one is a waste of oxygen. Then there were some former co-workers who were older that were total flakes. So you never know.

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^To a small extent, I do agree with you Fifi, but then everyone is different. We have a couple of people in my department that are in their 20's. One of them is hardworking and responsible, the other one is a waste of oxygen. Then there were some former co-workers who were older that were total flakes. So you never know.

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Originally Posted by LadyV69
Absolutely. What I said can not encompass every member of a generation, or every parenting style. Many Gen X'ers were latch key kids, or had absent parenting, so the next parenting shift tended to overcompensate this. Extremes are rarely effective. My office just seem to be getting a large number of sheltered people who have the same set of issues in the work place, which got me thinking...

I've actually read several interesting articles on it in the past few years. More people are calling for generational differences to be addressed in the work place, and some are offering training on how to deal with the next generations entering the work force because there are large differences.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

That just reminded me of one article I read. Someone had interviewed members of the work force, in their 20's, and found that many of them viewed a boss, superior or co worker with more experience as "yelling at them" because they were firm and disagreed with them. No one raised a voice, no one cussed, etc. This is a problem I have ran into over and over again, in my office.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

That just reminded me of one article I read. Someone had interviewed members of the work force, in their 20's, and found that many of them viewed a boss, superior or co worker with more experience as "yelling at them" because they were firm and disagreed with them. No one raised a voice, no one cussed, etc. This is a problem I have ran into over and over again, in my office.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I would hate to see what they would do if they had a boss that actually did those things like I did at age 16. SMH

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That just reminded me of one article I read. Someone had interviewed members of the work force, in their 20's, and found that many of them viewed a boss, superior or co worker with more experience as "yelling at them" because they were firm and disagreed with them. No one raised a voice, no one cussed, etc. This is a problem I have ran into over and over again, in my office.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I would hate to see what they would do if they had a boss that actually did those things like I did at age 16. SMH
Originally Posted by juanab
Right? One of my former bosses was ex military and always came across as firm, and spoke in a raised voice, but he wasn't mad. Most new employees are terrified of my current boss because they can not see that he is joking 99% of the time. When he has a real problem, you'll know it.

I have no problem with someone coming in, working for a while, learning the ropes, and offering suggestions. It's great. I do have a problem with those who come in, say "I know" when you try to train them, suggest things that won't work, and then get mad or cry when you explain why it won't or offer constructive criticism. It gets very frustrating, especially considering that my job is 99.9% on the job training.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 01-10-2013 at 01:27 PM.
That just reminded me of one article I read. Someone had interviewed members of the work force, in their 20's, and found that many of them viewed a boss, superior or co worker with more experience as "yelling at them" because they were firm and disagreed with them. No one raised a voice, no one cussed, etc. This is a problem I have ran into over and over again, in my office.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I would hate to see what they would do if they had a boss that actually did those things like I did at age 16. SMH
Originally Posted by juanab
Right? One of my former bosses was ex military and always came across as firm, and spoke in a raised voice, but he wasn't mad. Most new employees are terrified of my current boss because they can not see that he is joking 99% of the time. When he has a real problem, you'll know it.

I have no problem with someone coming in, working for a while, learning the ropes, and offering suggestions. It's great. I do have a problem with those who come in, say "I know" when you try to train them, suggest things that won't work, and then get mad or cry when you explain why it won't or offer constructive criticism. It gets very frustrating, especially considering that my job is 99.9% on the job training.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
It sounds like the boss I had. That is what I learned to do. Observe, ask questions, soak up knowledge. You make mistake, you own it. Once you learn the ropes and work out the kinks, then you can make some INTELLIGENT suggestions, instead of bumping your gums.

Most of my jobs have been OJT, so I can relate.

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I would hate to see what they would do if they had a boss that actually did those things like I did at age 16. SMH
Originally Posted by juanab
Right? One of my former bosses was ex military and always came across as firm, and spoke in a raised voice, but he wasn't mad. Most new employees are terrified of my current boss because they can not see that he is joking 99% of the time. When he has a real problem, you'll know it.

I have no problem with someone coming in, working for a while, learning the ropes, and offering suggestions. It's great. I do have a problem with those who come in, say "I know" when you try to train them, suggest things that won't work, and then get mad or cry when you explain why it won't or offer constructive criticism. It gets very frustrating, especially considering that my job is 99.9% on the job training.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
It sounds like the boss I had. That is what I learned to do. Observe, ask questions, soak up knowledge. You make mistake, you own it. Once you learn the ropes and work out the kinks, then you can make some INTELLIGENT suggestions, instead of bumping your gums.

Most of my jobs have been OJT, so I can relate.
Originally Posted by juanab
Amen! We offer some leeway once a employee feels comfortable with what they are doing. Everyone stays within guide lines (that are FCC or ...) but you adapt your own style. This doesn't mean learning the military phonetic alphabet, rather than the 10 codes and phonetic alphabet we use, because you think it sounds better. Lol. It's been a mess.

Again, I want to see those interested do good, and thrive, but you can only do so much. The rest is up to them.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Fifi, you make some really good points. I always find myself wondering what my current age group is going to be like once they graduate college. It's frightening, based on what I've witnessed. I realize a lot of people my age are already working, but I can just imagine what the rest of them (us) will be like in a year or two when they enter the workforce!

The other day, I heard someone reference a study (I don't know what it was, sorry!) where a group of new 20-something employees at a company were told that their supervisor had described them using a word beginning with "e", and then were asked to guess what it was. They all guessed words like excellent, efficient, and energetic. The actual word? Entitled. Hah!

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