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Old 01-11-2013, 10:17 AM   #1
 
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Pamela Geller's American Freedom Defense Initiative Brings Anti-Muslim Ads to NYC Subway | TIME.com

I'm kind of surprised by this, considering it's nyc. What is this supposed to accomplish?
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Really awful...but just articulating well-established US foreign policy. No big surprise to me

NYC transit authority opposed it but lost in court. (So don't go badmouthing NYC! )
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:54 PM   #3
 
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It's interesting the ads fall under free speech. We had a couple similar cases here last year and the transit people were within their rights to reject the ads. Free speech didn't apply but I would have to do a search to remember why.
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It's interesting the ads fall under free speech.
Yes, when it's clearly hate speech.
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Didn't a woman push a South Asian man off the subway platform to his death and justify it because she assumed he was Muslim? This happened in NYC. Not saying it was linked to the subway ads, but I'm sure someone is going to suggest it.

Inciting hate can also incite violence. Haven't we learned that from history?
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It's interesting the ads fall under free speech.
Yes, when it's clearly hate speech.
I thought that the laws against the hate speech would trump the free speech. I wonder why it went the other way, in not just one, but at least two cases.
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There's no easy answer to this. It's akin to the KKK being allowed to march. According to the 1st amendment, they have that right, even though they sicken me. Same with these ads. The rights of individuals vs. those of society sometimes clash. If there's any consolation, these ads won't be featured all over the system. There are 469 subway stations in NYC. These ads will be shown in only a small number of them.
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If hate speech trumped free speech, those Westboro Baptist nutbars wold be out of business.
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Pretty sure hate speech is legal in the US. You can't threaten someone's life, and hate crimes are pretty illegal, though.

It is illegal in Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong, Canadians!
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Yeah, hate speech is still free speech. I wasn't saying that there's no freedom of speech for hate speech, just that bus ads weren't covered under freedom of speech.

ETA: I looked it up and it was because Metro Transit changed their policy so they only accept commercial advertising and the decision to bad the ads was viewpoint neutral. The controversy that this article is about was about some anti-Israel ads and planned rebuttal ads, but there was a controversy just prior that had to do with those anti-religion ads that the atheists always insist on placing at Christmastime.

There are a bunch of articles but this is the most recent thing I could find.
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Ah. I was wondering because I'm pretty sure hate speech is illegal round these parts (falls under racial/religious discrimination).
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Ah. I was wondering because I'm pretty sure hate speech is illegal round these parts (falls under racial/religious discrimination).
Oh, I just assumed you are American. (I know, I shouldn't assume.) Yeah, hate speech is protected under the first ammendment in the US.
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