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View Poll Results: Who is your favorite potential president?
Kerry 3 8.33%
Dean 8 22.22%
Lieberman 0 0%
Kucinich 5 13.89%
Edwards 0 0%
Moseley Braun 0 0%
Clark 5 13.89%
Gephardt 1 2.78%
Sharpton 3 8.33%
Bush 11 30.56%
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Old 12-30-2003, 10:40 AM   #21
 
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Do you have a link to the match your position with the candidate sites? That might be fun.
http://www.selectsmart.com/PRESIDENT/

I think there are better, but this is the one I managed to find.
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Old 12-30-2003, 11:04 AM   #22
 
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I really don't want to debate this. I am just stating my views since so many asked about Bush supporters.

First off, I voted for him, but he was never my first choice. I wanted McCain (sp?). But since the only other choice turned out to be Gore I went with Bush. I can't stand Gore and I'm not really sure why. I do honestly believe that if he had been president when 9/11 happened we would have had another serious attack on our soil since then.

None of the current Dems have shown me that they will stick to what they say (although I haven't paid close attention to them). That is my main reason for liking Bush. Of course, every politician backtracks some, that's being a human being, but I think with Bush you mostly get from him what he says he will do. I admire that and I admire his stance on good and evil. People seem to forget that we had terroist attacks long before 9/11. I have a friend who had a sister and brother-in-law who worked at the WTC in 1993 the first time it was bombed. Their car was blown up. There was also that Pan Am flight that got blown apart. That old Jewish guy that was shot and thrown off the the cruise ship and the embassies in Africa in 1998. We did basically nothing after those attacks.

I wholeheartedly supported Bush going into Afghanastan. I wish we were doing a better job of controlling the country and bringing law and order to them.

On Iraq I've always had mixed feelings. I have heard on a radio talk show that there is actual evidence linking Iraq to Al-Queda and a repporter wrote about it in some magazine. But why is that being kept quiet if true? But now that we are there we have to finish the job. I am disappointed with how that is going also, but I'm afraid a Dem might pull us out too soon.

I also am more in tune with Republicans economically. I happen to like the tax cuts, I believe that businesses have to have tax relief to create new jobs. It amazes me that people seem to forget that big corporations provide hundreds of thousands of jobs. I am unhappy about all of the spending, (and with the war a lot of it can't be helped right now), but I hope an improving economy will help the deficit. I live in CA and we are taxed to death. Only NY pays more in taxes than us (from what I've heard). I think if people could keep more of the money they make it would help everyone in the long run. I know I would donate more to charity than I do now if I had more take home pay.

I think with Bush in office we might make much more progress against terror than without him and that is my number 1 priority. I feel safer with Bush in office than any democrat.

These are my opinions.
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The reason I support President Bush is twofold:
a) I truly believe that he is a man of integrity and I trust that he is doing/will do the best he can to protect our country/make it continue to be the best place to live, and

b) WHY, oh WHY, would I, or anyone else for that matter, want to vote for someone who believes that "we should not prejudge Osama bin Laden" , a.k.a. Howard Dean?
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b) WHY, oh WHY, would I, or anyone else for that matter, want to vote for someone who believes that "we should not prejudge Osama bin Laden" , a.k.a. Howard Dean?
''As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves,'' Dean told The Associated Press in a phone interview."

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b) WHY, oh WHY, would I, or anyone else for that matter, want to vote for someone who believes that "we should not prejudge Osama bin Laden" , a.k.a. Howard Dean?
''As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves,'' Dean told The Associated Press in a phone interview."

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Thank you for proving my point, pongwench. Why should we follow "the process of the rule of law" for a criminal who masterminded the murder of 3,000 americans, who is not even a U.S. citizen? Anyone who could even think such a thing is not presidential material in my mind. But, as a republican, I do hope he gets the nomination, and that he keeps saying things like that.
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Thank you for proving my point, pongwench. Why should we follow "the process of the rule of law" for a criminal who masterminded the murder of 3,000 americans, who is not even a U.S. citizen? Anyone who could even think such a thing is not presidential material in my mind. But, as a republican, I do hope he gets the nomination, and that he keeps saying things like that.
Because we elect a president to be better than we can be. To do the "right" thing when the right thing is not easy or satisfying. And to always uphold the law, even when it's not politically beneficial.

For more practical reasons, catching Osama and killing him w/o a trial would simply make more people who hate us, and possibly lead to more 9-11 type occurrences.

My need for revenge is not so great as to blind me to all of this.
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Old 12-30-2003, 11:57 AM   #27
 
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I think sdcurly and I think alike on this issue. I couldn't have stated my views any better than she did.

As sdcurly said, I don't wish to debate my stand but will offer some reasons why I support Bush.

I have avoided a lot of the arguments regarding the war but will state what I feel, whether you agree or not -- I wish there had been a better solution, but I believe what Bush did was right. I believe in my mind that if we had not gone into Iraq now, the situation would have only gotten worse and the consequences would be far greater to the US years down the road. I think the link between Iraq and terrorists was just beginning and was only going to get stronger. There are an awful lot of Americans who don't want to do something, but then again are the first ones to ask why we didn't so something after a situation has gotten out of hand. I don't feel that Bush made any of his decisions based on his personal (or family) vendetta with Hussein. I believe he is truly doing what he believes is the best for our country. I too am afraid a Democrat might get us out of Iraq too soon.

I also have to agree with sdcurly regarding the Republicans and their views on business and finance. They are the ones with the money who are able to invest, provide the jobs we all need and stimulate the economy. They aren't the "bad guy" in my mind. This alone is probably the biggest reason I am a Republican rather than a Democrat.

These are a few of the reasons I backed Bush before and still do. I will honestly say I have been listening to the Democrats. At one time I thought I liked Kerry because he had a seriousness and sophistication about him. . . then he opened his mouth and I haven't agreed with about 75% of what he stands for. I saw an interview with Edwards a while ago and would like to hear more of what he believes in.
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I think anyone who is elected will be for Osama getting what he deserves, if he's ever caught... Maybe if our administration spent more time rooting out Osama and his allies, esp. the ones lurking around in our OWN country instead of dropping bombs on Iraq, he'd be found sooner. There are more terrorists in this country than Iraq, guaranteed. There are supposedly more terrorists harboured in Spain than anywhere else - why don't we bomb Spain? Point is bombing one or two countries will not prevent future terrorist attacks - if anything, it will fuel anger and cause more attacks. That doesn't make me feel any safer. Terror is all over the world - I think starting with our own country will better secure us from imminent danger than focusing attention elsewhere. The Democrats are preying on Bush's mistakes, and that's their ticket in. I'm not saying that a Democrat, once in office, will not repeat the same mistakes, but I have much more faith in them than in Bush at this point. I fear that Bush will put us in another pre-emptive war, which will just mean trouble for this country.
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Bush is winning this poll? Woo boy, I'm sad now. What's it gonna take...?
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b) WHY, oh WHY, would I, or anyone else for that matter, want to vote for someone who believes that "we should not prejudge Osama bin Laden" , a.k.a. Howard Dean?
''As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves,'' Dean told The Associated Press in a phone interview."

--Dean
Thank you for proving my point, pongwench. Why should we follow "the process of the rule of law" for a criminal who masterminded the murder of 3,000 americans, who is not even a U.S. citizen? Anyone who could even think such a thing is not presidential material in my mind. But, as a republican, I do hope he gets the nomination, and that he keeps saying things like that.
Because some of us love this country as a place in which every accused criminal gets due process of the law. Because some of us wish to keep this a place in which the accused are fairly tried for their crimes, rather than jailed and held with no charges pressed, or convicted without the right to defend themselves. Some of us see the scary way in which our country has gone due to the patriot act and understand the Constitution and the way the country works well enough to find it scary that we are holding people without trial, without formal charges pressed, and not allowing those individuals to seek legal counsel or contact the outside world.

If you wish to live under the kind of government you propose above-may I suggest Cuba? There are Cuban members of this board who would love to be there if it were not for the government, but your statement, lemondaisy, suggests you would like the governmnent as it is.
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I understand and respect Dean's sentiment, but in this case, bin Laden has admitted to being responsible and when you admit guilt, no trial is necessary, proceed to punishment. Which means this was yet another misstatement that Dean had to clarify and amend.
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I understand and respect Dean's sentiment, but in this case, bin Laden has admitted to being responsible and when you admit guilt, no trial is necessary, proceed to punishment. Which means this was yet another misstatement that Dean had to clarify and amend.
Trial is still necessary. If nothing else, just to show he didn't make a "confession" while a gun was aimed at his head or something.

For the record-I am of the "fry the rat" sentiment, I just believe in following the rules of justice (in this case, international law and Geneva Convention) rather than immediately fry him like he deserves.
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I don't think I've heard anything positive about him on this board (look at this thread) or anywhere else, just negativity - well deserved, I think.
IMO, I think the reason there is more negativity on this board is because the majority of the members here seem to be liberals. On all of the other boards I go to, which are more conservative, it's the total opposite.

I support Bush for the same reasons sdcurly and munchkin do. He does seem to be a man of honor and integrity, or at least much more than what we've had in the past.
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Well, it's pretty obvious by the thread I started that I've chosen Kucinich. He's just cool. When I see him on TV or hear him speak I get the impression that there's a human being behind those words, just not a PR machine.

I used to like Dean, but then he pissed me off by flipfloppin' on the war issue and saying he would not support a Canada-style healthcare system. He wants to keep the private insurance-based system...and that system has been screwing me and my DH for the past 2 years. I'm sick of the BS.
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I support Bush for the same reasons sdcurly and munchkin do. He does seem to be a man of honor and integrity, or at least much more than what we've had in the past.
How is lying to Americans about the specter of mushroom clouds and WMDs when you know the evidence doesn't support the warnings honorable? Who with any bit of integrity concocts evidence? How is "bring it on" courageous? Most of the world is angry with the US, don't you think there's a reason for it?
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I support Bush for the same reasons sdcurly and munchkin do. He does seem to be a man of honor and integrity, or at least much more than what we've had in the past.
How is lying to Americans about the specter of mushroom clouds and WMDs when you know the evidence doesn't support the warnings honorable? Who with any bit of integrity concocts evidence? How is "bring it on" courageous? Most of the world is angry with the US, don't you think there's a reason for it?
That's your opinion. You have no proof that GW concocted anything. The anger that most of the world has towards the US, didn't start 3 years ago. The US has never been popular with Eastern cultures.

Even if no WMD are ever found, the oppressed people in Iraq and Afghanistan deserve to live in freedom just like we do. They have been denied basic human rights that so many of us take for granted. Liberating these people should have been reason enough for the US, as well as other "super powers" to get involved. How can we call ourselves a great nation and just go about our daily pampered lives knowing that these people are being raped, tortured, and murdered on a daily basis? Most people can't even begin to comprehend the hell Iraqis have lived in. I know I can't.

Before the flaming starts, remember that Bush supporters were asked what their reasons were and I clearly indicated that these were only my opinions. I have no desire to get into a debate over this.
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Since I am only 18 I was not able to vote in the last presidential election. However, I would not have changed the outcome for anything. Bush, above all, is a strong man. and his moral foundation and integrity are alot stronger than his speaking skills...and isn't that what is important? The WTC was previously attacked while a democrat was in office and look what happened after a serious lack in consequences! Bush is Proactive. Another thing I admire. He sees something that needs to be done and he does is...a major act of war on american soil? a major a$$ kicking for one of the terrorists group's major supporters, mad cow disease in Canada? beef shipment closed. The stock market is back up and and in my 18 years I have never seen nearly this much patriotism, the pledge of allegiance actually means something to me now. Most of all, Bush has released a down trodden country from the grips of an evil, tyranical ruler.
Bush has my vote in the next presidential election
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Most of the world is angry with the US, don't you think there's a reason for it?
No one is ever happy with the US...hehehe and I dont remember (from history class) the last time the US cared. We are annoying yet useful at the same time....
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I support Bush for the same reasons sdcurly and munchkin do. He does seem to be a man of honor and integrity, or at least much more than what we've had in the past.
How is lying to Americans about the specter of mushroom clouds and WMDs when you know the evidence doesn't support the warnings honorable? Who with any bit of integrity concocts evidence? How is "bring it on" courageous? Most of the world is angry with the US, don't you think there's a reason for it?
I do want to state one thing regarding WMD. I don't feel Bush was lying to us. I believe the evidence presented looked like there were WMD. I read an article that the reason you have not heard Clinton and top people from his administration come out against the WMD argument is because they all believed they were there too. Hussein wanted the world to believe they were there and painted things to look like that was the case.
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