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Old 01-23-2013, 07:57 AM   #1
 
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New Mexico teen accused of gunning down family 'lost sense of conscience' - CNN.com

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(CNN) -- The chilling acts the 15-year-old boy is accused of defy imagination:

Pumping his mother, brother and two younger sisters with bullets.

Gunning down his dad when he returned home.

Texting a picture of his lifeless mother to his 12-year-old girlfriend.

Plotting to kill strangers outside a supermarket.

But, family members say, Nehemiah Griego is no monster. They can't fathom what could have gone so terribly wrong.
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this is so sad.

but what was the point of stating he was "'involved heavily' with violent video games"? this had nothing to do with what video games he played, but most likely the effect of some mental problems that was either ignored or not noticed.
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^^^I'm not so sure about that, thelio.
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I think video games and movies have a way of desensitizing people, and maybe for certain people who already have problems, it can cause them to harm real life people or see violence on real life people and not feel any issue with it, where as someone can play call of duty and go out and see someone actually get shot in the head in real life, and have a break down.

I don't know. I don't think anyone knows for sure.

I don't think you can blame video games for it though.


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After the slayings, Griego "spent the majority of the day with his girlfriend," Houston said.
He even sent his girlfriend a picture of his slain mother, Houston said.
Authorities arrested the teen after he attended his family's church with his girlfriend, and a staff member called deputies.


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this is so sad.

but what was the point of stating he was "'involved heavily' with violent video games"? this had nothing to do with what video games he played, but most likely the effect of some mental problems that was either ignored or not noticed.
Agreed. Violent video games are not going to cause a sane, healthy kid to gun down his family.
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I wonder if the GF is the one who reported him. Or what was her reaction after she got his text?
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I wonder if the GF is the one who reported him. Or what was her reaction after she got his text?

I wonder that too. What'd he do at church. How'd the person think to report him?

I wonder if the girlfriend knew he was planning this. I mean he'd been planning this, did he tell her? Was she scared of him? Did she care? or was she happy he was going to this?

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I also was bothered that his girlfriend is 12 and he's 15, I just feel that's odd because they're in two different school levels. I think, unless it's like a combined school. Why would a high schooler date a middle schooler. That was always frowned upon in high school.
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I think video games and movies have a way of desensitizing people, and maybe for certain people who already have problems, it can cause them to harm real life people or see violence on real life people and not feel any issue with it, where as someone can play call of duty and go out and see someone actually get shot in the head in real life, and have a break down.

I don't know. I don't think anyone knows for sure.

I don't think you can blame video games for it though.

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I agree with your comment. I've read over some studies where groups of people were asked to play violent and non violent video games, and then watch brutal footage of real life violence. Physical reaction *alone* was then noted. The group that played non violent games had a huge increase in heart rate and skin reaction while watching the film. The ones playing violent games had less of a 'flight' physical reaction, if you will. It makes sense. It explains why the military has often used combat related video games before entering battle. It improves reaction times, calms the physical flight symptoms, and increases chances of allowing ones cooler head to prevail.

On that same note- Desensitization is needed in many fields, and is done through repetition. If they did the same study and allowed people to play a medical related surgery game, while others played Mario Brothers, and then watched footage from OR's, one group would probably be less squeamish.

It's the missing link (mental health issues/lack of separating reality & fiction due to MH or drugs...) that causes a disconnect. Regardless of what I watched or played, I still had to choose to de sensitize at work, during real life situations, in order to help others. It is a very hard choice that people in several fields have to make, and it should be, regardless of what one watches or plays. This is why I can not support blaming games or... If it's the games fault, this kid was fine, desensitization = root of all evil, problem deflected, and the actual issue is tucked away in a nice little box. Never mind the fact that millions do this without actual murderous urges.
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^^^I'm not so sure about that, thelio.
mental problems are the cause.

Video games do not make you act violently. It is a mental defect to think that what you see in the video game would be cool to do in real life.

So many people do not get this. If there were a causal relationship between watching violence and being violent, I would have been cut lots of people, put some spells on some people and summoned the devil by now.

There are LOT of people who are violent, who've never played any video game in their life. And there are lots of bad a$$ people who play non violent video games and they are still bad as hell.
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^^^I'm not so sure about that, thelio.
mental problems are the cause.

Video games do not make you act violently. It is a mental defect to think that what you see in the video game would be cool to do in real life.

So many people do not get this. If there were a causal relationship between watching violence and being violent, I would have been cut lots of people, put some spells on some people and summoned the devil by now.

There are LOT of people who are violent, who've never played any video game in their life. And there are lots of bad a$$ people who play non violent video games and they are still bad as hell.
Of course, one can't blame video games for all violence. They're not necessarily the cause. But that doesn't mean they aren't an aggravating factor. If you're surrounded with violence in one form or another, violence will probably become a part of who you are and how you think or act. Sorry, but you can't convince me otherwise.
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Blaming video games is just a cop out. I watched a short doc about it, not very scientific but very insightful. they gathered a group of kids who played violent video games (grand theft auto, max payne, resident evil, ect) then they took them to the shooting range with real guns. guess what happened when they exposed these mentally stable kids who played violent video games to guns? they freaked out. some cried. others refused to even touch the guns.

If they do some further research they most likely discover the real reason for this kid killing off his family.
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^^^I'm not so sure about that, thelio.
mental problems are the cause.

Video games do not make you act violently. It is a mental defect to think that what you see in the video game would be cool to do in real life.

So many people do not get this. If there were a causal relationship between watching violence and being violent, I would have been cut lots of people, put some spells on some people and summoned the devil by now.

There are LOT of people who are violent, who've never played any video game in their life. And there are lots of bad a$$ people who play non violent video games and they are still bad as hell.
Of course, one can't blame video games for all violence. They're not necessarily the cause. But that doesn't mean they aren't an aggravating factor. If you're surrounded with violence in one form or another, violence will probably become a part of who you are and how you think or act. Sorry, but you can't convince me otherwise.
I'm not trying to convince you.

Blaming video games for violent sprees is just as bogus as blaming vaccines for autism (no offense intended to anyone who is close to autism). There is simply no correlation.
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I did a research project on the link between video games and violence. after reading hundreds of papers, it was determined there is no definitive proof. there was correlation, but that does not mean causation. focusing the blame on video games will take away from actually finding the root cause of kids going on murder sprees.
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I did a research project on the link between video games and violence. after reading hundreds of papers, it was determined there is no definitive proof. there was correlation, but that does not mean causation. focusing the blame on video games will take away from actually finding the root cause of kids going on murder sprees.
Ok. Not to get technical. But Thelio, do you remember the average correction of all the studies? And effect sizes? Were the correlations statistically significant.

ok /end science talk.
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I did a research project on the link between video games and violence. after reading hundreds of papers, it was determined there is no definitive proof. there was correlation, but that does not mean causation. focusing the blame on video games will take away from actually finding the root cause of kids going on murder sprees.
So then how is blaming video games a cop out? I don't think anyone is saying there's a causal relationship but, as you said, a correlation.
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I did a research project on the link between video games and violence. after reading hundreds of papers, it was determined there is no definitive proof. there was correlation, but that does not mean causation. focusing the blame on video games will take away from actually finding the root cause of kids going on murder sprees.
Ok. Not to get technical. But Thelio, do you remember the average correction of all the studies? And effect sizes? Were the correlations statistically significant.

ok /end science talk.

oh gosh! I so dont remember. it was for a pyshc calss. i just did what i had to do to get a A. LOL

that was where i also saw the short doc. another doc i would recommend that could really shed some light on some of the possible causes for this increase of violence in kids is one called, "the war on kids" i believe that is the name.
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Although I don't think video games can be blamed for violence, TNB does have a point in that if there is already mental illness present, then a violent video game *could* be a trigger. Somebody could become obsessed with it and want to reenact it, but there would need to be serious mental illness for that to happen. So you can't really blame video games, but I can see how in some cases, they could trigger violence. But then, so could movies, books, famous criminals, just about anything really.
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I did a research project on the link between video games and violence. after reading hundreds of papers, it was determined there is no definitive proof. there was correlation, but that does not mean causation. focusing the blame on video games will take away from actually finding the root cause of kids going on murder sprees.
So then how is blaming video games a cop out? I don't think anyone is saying there's a causal relationship but, as you said, a correlation.
Correlation means that two things occur in a related way somehow, usually in the sense that they occur together, or at the same time. For example, the more money people make, the bigger their houses usually are. Thatís a correlation.

Causation means if A happens, then B will occur. If you kick a ball, it will move.

Now, for causation to be valid, there are many rules, and correlation does not always fulfill those requirements. Its hard to explain, so I will use an example again.

Here is the oldest example in the book:

- The more firefighters at a fire, the bigger the fire tends to be.
- Therefore, firefighters cause fires.
Can you see a problem here? I hope so.
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Ok. Not to get technical. But Thelio, do you remember the average correction of all the studies? And effect sizes? Were the correlations statistically significant.

ok /end science talk.

oh gosh! I so dont remember. it was for a pyshc calss. i just did what i had to do to get a A. LOL

that was where i also saw the short doc. another doc i would recommend that could really shed some light on some of the possible causes for this increase of violence in kids is one called, "the war on kids" i believe that is the name.
Thanks! I'm a social psychologist so human behavior interests me, but I did not study violence (but for a while I was involved with studies on memory for traumatic events--no the same thing, but that's as close as I got to violence).

Thanks for the recommendation.
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Although I don't think video games can be blamed for violence, TNB does have a point in that if there is already mental illness present, then a violent video game *could* be a trigger. Somebody could become obsessed with it and want to reenact it, but there would need to be serious mental illness for that to happen. So you can't really blame video games, but I can see how in some cases, they could trigger violence. But then, so could movies, books, famous criminals, just about anything really.
yes a video game could be a trigger.

a man tried to kill the president after watching taxi Driver. A man killed john lennon after reading a catcher in the rye. these may have been triggers, but its a waste of time to focus on them and not the fact these men had serious mental issues.
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