African Queen editorial

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God, all these butthurt comments about white people in Africa on that page! Damn. I bet these are the same people who would loose their **** if there was an editorial with a Black model that was titled "European Queen".
Originally Posted by AnnieRose
But there aren't black people in Europe!1! All monarchs have been white~~
Originally Posted by annabananalise
Which isn't even true.... Queen Charlotte | FRONTLINE | PBS
Originally Posted by moodydove
Stop with your history and your logic and your facts. They aren't welcome here.
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We also have to keep inind that not all countries have the harsh history like the US and how it fought to have things so unfair between whites and blacks for so many years.

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Originally Posted by jmartinez
Including the countries in Africa that were colonized? Hm...
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I think the designer did the shoot exactly because of this. Whether it be controversy or positive and negative feedback. They wanted people everywhere to be talking about their work. Its a marketing tactic. Sneaky person. There may have had no racial pun intended but just wanted to strike up a buz to get more exposure=more money.

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Originally Posted by jmartinez
Um, I think they created the racial "pun" to create controversy.
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Other countries know about our past history even if we don't know about theirs...funny.
From Huff Post...

Some people have declared that they have been offended by the publication in Numéro magazine n°141 of March 2013, of an editorial realized by the photographer Sebastian Kim called “African Queen”, featuring the American model Ondria Hardin posing as an “African queen”, her skin painted in black.

The artistic statement of the photographer Sebastian Kim, author of this editorial, is in line with his previous photographic creations, which insist on the melting pot and the mix of cultures, the exact opposite of any skin color based discrimination. Numéro has always supported the artistic freedom of the talented photographers who work with the magazine to illustrate its pages, and has not took part in the creation process of this editorial.

For its part, Numéro Magazine, which has the utmost respect for this photographer’s creative work, firmly excludes that the latest may have had, at any moment, the intention to hurt readers’ sensitivity, whatever their origin.

Numéro Magazine considers that it has regularly demonstrated its deep attachment to the promotion of different skin-colored models. For instance, the next issue of Numéro for Man on sale on 15th march has the black model Fernando Cabral on the cover page, and the current Russian edition’s cover of our magazine features the black model Naomi Campbell on its cover. This demonstrates the completely inappropriate nature of the accusations made against our magazine, deeply committed to the respect for differences, tolerance and more generally to non-discrimination.

Considering the turmoil caused by this publication, the Management of Numéro Magazine would like to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by this editorial.
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We also have to keep inind that not all countries have the harsh history like the US and how it fought to have things so unfair between whites and blacks for so many years. When someone from Another country their artistic views on races may be totally different. For ex latinos come in all colors too. There were more blacks left in the carribean and south America than in us during the slave trade. Hence the term Afrolatino.

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Originally Posted by jmartinez
The photog is Sebastian Kim.
Born in Vietnam and raised in Tehran, Paris and Southern California, Sebastian Kim began his career assisting the legendary photographer Richard Avedon, and went on to assist famed fashion photographer Steven Meisel.
I don't know how old he was when he left VN, but VN knows a thing or two about colonization by Europeans and the related oppression.

The article I posted a minute ago suggests he was trying to turn the concept of race on its head. Meh, still think he shouldn't have gone there.
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We also have to keep inind that not all countries have the harsh history like the US and how it fought to have things so unfair between whites and blacks for so many years. When someone from Another country their artistic views on races may be totally different. For ex latinos come in all colors too. There were more blacks left in the carribean and south America than in us during the slave trade. Hence the term Afrolatino.

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Originally Posted by jmartinez
The photog is Sebastian Kim.
Born in Vietnam and raised in Tehran, Paris and Southern California, Sebastian Kim began his career assisting the legendary photographer Richard Avedon, and went on to assist famed fashion photographer Steven Meisel.
I don't know how old he was when he left VN, but VN knows a thing or two about colonization by Europeans and the related oppression.

The article I posted a minute ago suggests he was trying to turn the concept of race on its head. Meh, still think he shouldn't have gone there.
Originally Posted by The New Black
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck -- even if you want to call it an elephant -- it's still kind of a duck.

But I wouldn't really hold an nonAmerican to the exact same standard as an American on this issue, though.
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I get that its a french magazine, and the french (along with other european countries) have treated black people alot better than america in history. Josephine baker lived there because she felt black people were treated with more respect. i think we all get that europe doesnt have america's history. but they know the history, or should. so why do it?

people also have problem's with this because, they obviously wanted a model with darker skin (if not, why make her brown?) so why wouldnt they just hire a black model? why not any model who naturally has browner skin? why paint a white model brown? what was the point?
Originally Posted by thelio
UM, Europe caused America's history, started transatlantic slavery and colonized most of the people of colour on the planet, so let's not let them off the hook.
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I get that its a french magazine, and the french (along with other european countries) have treated black people alot better than america in history. Josephine baker lived there because she felt black people were treated with more respect. i think we all get that europe doesnt have america's history. but they know the history, or should. so why do it?
Originally Posted by thelio
Europeans have their own issues with race largely connected to fears surrounding immigration. Sure, famous Black Americans and tourists were/are treated well, but ask the average immigrant from Senegal or Cote d'ivoire and they'll tell you the real deal.

We're nowhere near post-racial, but Black people are far better off in North America than the rest of the Western world. Can't see a black head of state in any European country anytime soon.
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I get that its a french magazine, and the french (along with other european countries) have treated black people alot better than america in history. Josephine baker lived there because she felt black people were treated with more respect. i think we all get that europe doesnt have america's history. but they know the history, or should. so why do it?

people also have problem's with this because, they obviously wanted a model with darker skin (if not, why make her brown?) so why wouldnt they just hire a black model? why not any model who naturally has browner skin? why paint a white model brown? what was the point?
Originally Posted by thelio
UM, Europe caused America's history, started transatlantic slavery and colonized most of the people of colour on the planet, so let's not let them off the hook.
Originally Posted by Amneris
oh trust me, i would never! Who started the whole colonization to begin with? America wasnt even America, so i think we know who is at fault. I was mainly talking about europe in the days when black artist found more freedom and didnt have to be as fearful for their life, such as josephine baker, richard wright and others, so they moved to europe. they could atleast feel safe when hanging around white people and not afraid they would be lyched. or had to be seperate from their white counterparts because their skin was darker. i should had made that more obvious.

Last edited by thelio; 02-28-2013 at 03:31 PM.
We also have to keep inind that not all countries have the harsh history like the US and how it fought to have things so unfair between whites and blacks for so many years. When someone from Another country their artistic views on races may be totally different. For ex latinos come in all colors too. There were more blacks left in the carribean and south America than in us during the slave trade. Hence the term Afrolatino.

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Originally Posted by jmartinez
The photog is Sebastian Kim.
Born in Vietnam and raised in Tehran, Paris and Southern California, Sebastian Kim began his career assisting the legendary photographer Richard Avedon, and went on to assist famed fashion photographer Steven Meisel.
I don't know how old he was when he left VN, but VN knows a thing or two about colonization by Europeans and the related oppression.

The article I posted a minute ago suggests he was trying to turn the concept of race on its head. Meh, still think he shouldn't have gone there.
Originally Posted by The New Black
This photoshoot reminds me of that terrible YA Save the Pearls book that came out a few months ago that was trying to flip the script on racism. It didn't work there and it didn't work here, either.
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We also have to keep inind that not all countries have the harsh history like the US and how it fought to have things so unfair between whites and blacks for so many years. When someone from Another country their artistic views on races may be totally different. For ex latinos come in all colors too. There were more blacks left in the carribean and south America than in us during the slave trade. Hence the term Afrolatino.

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Originally Posted by jmartinez
The photog is Sebastian Kim.
Born in Vietnam and raised in Tehran, Paris and Southern California, Sebastian Kim began his career assisting the legendary photographer Richard Avedon, and went on to assist famed fashion photographer Steven Meisel
.
I don't know how old he was when he left VN, but VN knows a thing or two about colonization by Europeans and the related oppression.

The article I posted a minute ago suggests he was trying to turn the concept of race on its head. Meh, still think he shouldn't have gone there.
Originally Posted by The New Black

i smell BS. no self-respecting Viet male would take Sebastian as a name
Save the Pearls was a horrible book concept.... Horrible.
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I get that its a french magazine, and the french (along with other european countries) have treated black people alot better than america in history. Josephine baker lived there because she felt black people were treated with more respect. i think we all get that europe doesnt have america's history. but they know the history, or should. so why do it?
Originally Posted by thelio
Europeans have their own issues with race largely connected to fears surrounding immigration. Sure, famous Black Americans and tourists were/are treated well, but ask the average immigrant from Senegal or Cote d'ivoire and they'll tell you the real deal.

We're nowhere near post-racial, but Black people are far better off in North America than the rest of the Western world. Can't see a black head of state in any European country anytime soon.
Originally Posted by Layali
^THIS

I have no idea where everyone is getting their romantic ideal of Europe from. Racism is very casual here which makes it even worse (in my opinion) because it's not seen as a big deal. You need a certain quota of influential people to even be acknowledged.
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Very sensitive topic to be sarcastic on.

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Originally Posted by LoveInBetween
The Sariacasm was pretty obvious, especially to anyone who's been here more than a minute. Yeah, it's a sensitive issue. But I don't think sarcasm was inappropriate here.
Originally Posted by The New Black
To each his own. I as a black woman found it insensitive. It's awesome that you were able to pick it up easily, so happy for you.

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The whole painting a white girl black concept is dumb. The whole fashion industry is wack. Point blank.

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Very sensitive topic to be sarcastic on.

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Originally Posted by LoveInBetween
The Sariacasm was pretty obvious, especially to anyone who's been here more than a minute. Yeah, it's a sensitive issue. But I don't think sarcasm was inappropriate here.
Originally Posted by The New Black
To each his own. I as a black woman found it insensitive. It's awesome that you were able to pick it up easily, so happy for you.

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Originally Posted by LoveInBetween
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The Sariacasm was pretty obvious, especially to anyone who's been here more than a minute. Yeah, it's a sensitive issue. But I don't think sarcasm was inappropriate here.
Originally Posted by The New Black
To each his own. I as a black woman found it insensitive. It's awesome that you were able to pick it up easily, so happy for you.

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Originally Posted by LoveInBetween
Originally Posted by nynaeve77
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But there aren't black people in Europe!1! All monarchs have been white~~
Originally Posted by annabananalise
Which isn't even true.... Queen Charlotte | FRONTLINE | PBS
Originally Posted by moodydove
Stop with your history and your logic and your facts. They aren't welcome here.
Originally Posted by annabananalise
You're nobody to say who can and can't post things. People's posts are more than welcome on thread and anytime. Nobody owns anything here, people can join and leave the conversation at their leisure, not yours. What ever happened to gently correcting somebody?
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