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Do both come with AWD and 4WD? IDk anything about either of these cars but is the clearance on the Element high enough for high snow? What about a CR-V? They don't burn much gas and they have 4WD (or at least AWD). The older ones are a little higher off the ground.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
You find more elements that are AWD with "real time" 4WD. It's not standard 4WD at all, but you can feel the car self adjust, to a certain extent, when called for.

I personally have driven an Element, on the highway, in over 1 foot of fresh and un-scraped snow, with no problems what so ever. Elements will slide a bit more in mud than on snow and/or ice.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I know you couldn't get either but also keep in mind that generally Toyotas are a much smoother ride if that's what you prefer. My sister, brother, and dad had camries and avalons which I've driven and I didn't like the feel at all. I prefer a car I can feel that I'm driving with a more sporty/rough feel. Hondas and Nissans are way better for that. The Rav4 might be different though.
Originally Posted by Josephine
I agree. I have driven some vehicles with a quieter engine, and smoother ride, and wasn't sure if I was actually going anywhere or not. Is this thing even running? I like to hear it and feel it running.

Don't even get me me started on muscle cars. My eyes will roll back in my head due to the sound of a loud engine. But that's another story.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I know you couldn't get either but also keep in mind that generally Toyotas are a much smoother ride if that's what you prefer. My sister, brother, and dad had camries and avalons which I've driven and I didn't like the feel at all. I prefer a car I can feel that I'm driving with a more sporty/rough feel. Hondas and Nissans are way better for that. The Rav4 might be different though.
Originally Posted by Josephine
I agree. I have driven some vehicles with a quieter engine, and smoother ride, and wasn't sure if I was actually going anywhere or not. Is this thing even running? I like to hear it and feel it running.

Don't even get me me started on muscle cars. My eyes will roll back in my head due to the sound of a loud engine. But that's another story.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
LOL, I love sexy engines! I remember parking in the parking lot and I couldn't tell if the engine was even running or not on a Camry. And I feel like your foot is on the brake more than the gas pedal, how boring!
Longlivecurls, you keep mentioning auctions and how bad they are. I guess you don't realize how many thousands of cars are put through dealer auctions every week. That's how dealers fill up their used car lots. They're definitely not getting all those cars through trade-ins! Auctions are where lease returns go after being turned in.

I'd rather buy a certified used car through a dealer, knowing that it didn't sit in a flood after Sandy than buy a car from god knows who and have no idea what I'm getting.
Originally Posted by mrspoppers
Yes I know how dealers work which is why I don't trust them. I guess you don't realize that dealerships will still buy a car that has a "bad" history if they can make a profit. Unless you go to big name dealers which will charge you an arm and a leg or get a brand new car (and even then) nothing is guaranteed. Just because they label something "certified" doesn't make it official. It's what they use as a sales pitch. A lot of lease cars have unregistered history not everyone reports every ding or malfunction of a car so even if they show you a carfax report don't rely on it. Not to mention ppl who don't take good care of cars that aren't theirs (ex. leased or rented cars). And when I mention auctions I was referring to PRIVATE sellers you might want to re-read my comment. This is why I suggested being patient and really checking out the car inside and out. Whether from a dealer or not. There are ways to learn more about a car then a pitch or piece of paper will tell you. Like I said buying a car is not something you want to rush into. It might take you months and sometimes even more. But if you do it right it'll pay off at the end.
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I've been looking like crazy bit cannot find anything for sale by owner that I want and can afford within a 50 mile radius ugh!
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
I know it can get frustrating just hang in there it took me forever (at least it felt like it lol) to find my car. Only to have a drunk driver totaled it after 4 months and therefore was on the search again. But finally after all that I found a car that I'm in love with and has been good to me I know you will find the perfect car just got to keep looking.
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Fifi I agree muscle cars are sexy You can feel them roar lol.
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Longlivecurls, you keep mentioning auctions and how bad they are. I guess you don't realize how many thousands of cars are put through dealer auctions every week. That's how dealers fill up their used car lots. They're definitely not getting all those cars through trade-ins! Auctions are where lease returns go after being turned in.

I'd rather buy a certified used car through a dealer, knowing that it didn't sit in a flood after Sandy than buy a car from god knows who and have no idea what I'm getting.
Originally Posted by mrspoppers
Yes I know how dealers work which is why I don't trust them. I guess you don't realize that dealerships will still buy a car that has a "bad" history if they can make a profit. Unless you go to big name dealers which will charge you an arm and a leg or get a brand new car (and even then) nothing is guaranteed. Just because they label something "certified" doesn't make it official. It's what they use as a sales pitch. A lot of lease cars have unregistered history not everyone reports every ding or malfunction of a car so even if they show you a carfax report don't rely on it. Not to mention ppl who don't take good care of cars that aren't theirs (ex. leased or rented cars). And when I mention auctions I was referring to PRIVATE sellers you might want to re-read my comment. This is why I suggested being patient and really checking out the car inside and out. Whether from a dealer or not. There are ways to learn more about a car then a pitch or piece of paper will tell you. Like I said buying a car is not something you want to rush into. It might take you months and sometimes even more. But if you do it right it'll pay off at the end.
Originally Posted by longlivecurls
I reread what you said and I guess I understand what you were saying. It was tough to ferret out. However, reading it again, I'd say that you're giving even MORE reason (see, I can use random caps too!) to go to a reputable dealer than buy from a private party.

Just a point of clarification: I'm not the one that mentioned carfax; you are. I'm well aware of how unreliable they are and what people do to manipulate them.

Honestly, I think you and I are talking about two different types of cars. I'm not interested in old cars with a bunch of miles on them. We buy higher end cars that are a couple years old and still under warranty. Since my husband's in the business, I don't need to spend four months looking for my next car.
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^ My point is plain and simple dealers are just as bad as "bad" private sellers. It's about doing your HW and not taking anyone's word for it. I am not giving "MORE" of a reason to anyone. As for the carfax, I mentioned it because that's what a dealer would show you to convince you that the car is in "good" condition. Last time I checked the post mentioned a "Honda element 2003 with 107,000 miles or 2004 Toyota rav4 with 122,000" none of these are high end cars or still under warranty. This is why I gave the advice I did. If these are not cars you usually purchase and you don't have to wait "4 months" to buy a car then I'm not sure what the point of posting here was. But everyone's in title to their own opinion. Either way my advice was for the person asking the question.
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Last edited by longlivecurls; 03-27-2013 at 09:59 PM.
Tomorrow I'm going to see a Honda element. The car dealer has excellent reviews online. I have a good feeling about this one. *fingers crossed* only bad thing is that it's far from my house :-/
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Tomorrow I'm going to see a Honda element. The car dealer has excellent reviews online. I have a good feeling about this one. *fingers crossed* only bad thing is that it's far from my house :-/
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
Good luck!!! Keeping my fingers crossed for you
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Three cheers for muscle cars!! If I lived in a different location I would have one. I'd probably end up sinking way too much money into it. I know they become addicting, but I would love it.

@Josephine- haha. That is very true.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Tomorrow I'm going to see a Honda element. The car dealer has excellent reviews online. I have a good feeling about this one. *fingers crossed* only bad thing is that it's far from my house :-/
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
I hope it works out.

It sounds like you have researched the dealer, which is good. I lucked out. I was checking dealers for a car when I heard that a friend of their family was selling theirs. The owner is a car collector and mechanic who takes excellent care of his vehicles. At that time it was 3 years old, in perfect condition, and only had 12,000 miles. I had it paid off in 4 years.

It was not what I was originally looking at (wanted a CR-V) but it was a much better deal, and I fell in love with it. 5 years later and it has never been in the shop for anything other than service and one time to have fluid ran through lines.


Just in case... Elements will make a popping noise, during U turns or sharp turns, after so many miles are put on them. Many mechanics trick people and charge them $300 to fix it. It takes 20 minutes and $35 dollars. That is good to know and luckily I have a honest mechanic who shared this with me.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Legally don't all dealers have to disclose salvage and flood titles?

I would, at minimum, be looking for that.
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Legally don't all dealers have to disclose salvage and flood titles?

I would, at minimum, be looking for that.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
I think that goes on a state by state basis. **Don't 100% quote me on it but that was the situation the last time I checked** Some states have laws where it must be disclosed, and others do not have to say anything. It all depends on where she is and their laws.


I, at minimum, would research the particular make of the car, the blue book value, vehicle safety ratings, the dealership, and ask about anything and everything else I can think of. I'm a research freak like that, though.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 03-28-2013 at 02:30 PM.
Tomorrow I'm going to see a Honda element. The car dealer has excellent reviews online. I have a good feeling about this one. *fingers crossed* only bad thing is that it's far from my house :-/
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
I hope it works out.

It sounds like you have researched the dealer, which is good. I lucked out. I was checking dealers for a car when I heard that a friend of their family was selling theirs. The owner is a car collector and mechanic who takes excellent care of his vehicles. At that time it was 3 years old, in perfect condition, and only had 12,000 miles. I had it paid off in 4 years.

It was not what I was originally looking at (wanted a CR-V) but it was a much better deal, and I fell in love with it. 5 years later and it has never been in the shop for anything other than service and one time to have fluid ran through lines.


Just in case... Elements will make a popping noise, during U turns or sharp turns, after so many miles are put on them. Many mechanics trick people and charge them $300 to fix it. It takes 20 minutes and $35 dollars. That is good to know and luckily I have a honest mechanic who shared this with me.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
Thanks for telling me! I'm going to go have the Honda element checked out by a mechanic today. If everything pans out, I might just buy it. I'm going to see if I can get the price lowered though, because it is used and not in perfect shape afterall.
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Thanks for telling me! I'm going to go have the Honda element checked out by a mechanic today. If everything pans out, I might just buy it. I'm going to see if I can get the price lowered though, because it is used and not in perfect shape afterall.
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
Even if the car is brand new & in perfect condition you should negotiate the price. Did you look up the Kelly Blue Book value? Also check out edmunds.com Those are two resources to help you figure out the value of the car and will be a good starting point for figuring out what price to pay for the car.

I've driven over a hr away to get the price I wanted on a car. I did that for both for my new car purchase & new car lease. I negotiated the price over the phone for both cars.
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Originally Posted by Poodlehead
Tomorrow I'm going to see a Honda element. The car dealer has excellent reviews online. I have a good feeling about this one. *fingers crossed* only bad thing is that it's far from my house :-/
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
I hope it works out.

It sounds like you have researched the dealer, which is good. I lucked out. I was checking dealers for a car when I heard that a friend of their family was selling theirs. The owner is a car collector and mechanic who takes excellent care of his vehicles. At that time it was 3 years old, in perfect condition, and only had 12,000 miles. I had it paid off in 4 years.

It was not what I was originally looking at (wanted a CR-V) but it was a much better deal, and I fell in love with it. 5 years later and it has never been in the shop for anything other than service and one time to have fluid ran through lines.


Just in case... Elements will make a popping noise, during U turns or sharp turns, after so many miles are put on them. Many mechanics trick people and charge them $300 to fix it. It takes 20 minutes and $35 dollars. That is good to know and luckily I have a honest mechanic who shared this with me.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
Thanks for telling me! I'm going to go have the Honda element checked out by a mechanic today. If everything pans out, I might just buy it. I'm going to see if I can get the price lowered though, because it is used and not in perfect shape afterall.
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
You are welcome. This can start between 30 and 60k miles, and happen again from time to time. It can be a popping noise or/and a groan or grumbling sound when you take turns. It lets you know service (or a simple change) of the rear differential fluid (I double checked because I could not remember which fluid change it was, for sure) is needed.

Several people have been conned into replacing parts for a MUCH larger fee. This is more common with dealer mechanics but some personal mechanics will try to pull it too.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

When I was searching for the fluid info I also came across this recall for the 2003 & 04 Element.

http://repairpal.com/honda-element-recall-10v364000

It seems like a quick fix. They *might* know if this was taken care or not. That was the only recall I saw for that particular year, but it was just a quick glance.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Thank you Fifi for all the information. I really appreciate it. I wasn't able to get the Element I saw yesterday. I had it checked out by a mechanic and it need to have the exhuast system or w/e (idk much about cars ) fixed for $500, and it had a crack in the windshield. The dealer only went down $500 to give me the car completely as-is, meaning I'd have to get the windshield and muffler fixed, which retails about $1000 total. Also, he told me yesterday he would have the recall fixed by honda for the ignition switch and get the radio code while he was there (the battery died so it triggered the security code), but when I tried to get the price down because of the repairs needed, he said he wouldn't take it to honda either. So, for all that trouble I really think he should have gone doen at least $800. If he were to make all the repairs he went down $200. Well, what I hadn't realized was how much taxes would add on, so I just didn't have it in my budget. So, I'm looking for private owned Elements for sale since I can use the money I save from a lower price on the taxes. I found one that looks okay. It's a 2003 with 123k miles. More that I was hoping but if I can get it for a good price and it's running well I'll get it. I'm gonna see it tomorrow. Here I go again....

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