Gosnell Trial

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Disgusting...but then again, I think abortion is, in general. I don't really distinguish btwn what he did and any other abortionists.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

I don't wanna be rude but I'mma go ahead and be rude and say it's probably because you don't know anything about abortions or bodies....at all. Period. Reaaaaddd.


If I didn't know you as a regular poster I would assume you were a troll with that sentence.
Originally Posted by murrrcat

Because she views a fetus as a baby, and abortion as murder, she probably doesn't distinguish between this and any other abortion. She considers it brutal and she is certainly entitled to her opinion.
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Disgusting...but then again, I think abortion is, in general. I don't really distinguish btwn what he did and any other abortionists.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

I don't wanna be rude but I'mma go ahead and be rude and say it's probably because you don't know anything about abortions or bodies....at all. Period. Reaaaaddd.
Originally Posted by murrrcat
I know this: it's a dead fetus.

What difference does it make if the doctor ends its life at 8 weeks or 38 weeks? If its head or spine gets severed in its mother's body or if its head or spine gets severed on a table? It's the same fetus.

I have ultrasound pics of both of my kids at 8 weeks and heard both of their heartbeats. And they weren't any less alive then and human then than they day they were born.

No one wants to say anything about this disgusting Gosnell situation bc we all know the ONLY difference btwn his practice and every other abortion doctor's is bigger corpses.

You can say whatever you want about me but I don't have the blood of anyone's fetus on my hands.
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Last edited by spiderlashes5000; 04-15-2013 at 02:56 PM.
I think this case is an example of what could happen if abortion was made illegal.

Women are going to get abortions and I'd rather they be regulated, safe, and definitely not like this.

I feel like this case is a good argument for why safe and healthy abortions should be made available for every woman. Or else more gosnells are going to prey on poorer and uneducated women.
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Disgusting...but then again, I think abortion is, in general. I don't really distinguish btwn what he did and any other abortionists.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000

I don't wanna be rude but I'mma go ahead and be rude and say it's probably because you don't know anything about abortions or bodies....at all. Period. Reaaaaddd.
Originally Posted by murrrcat
I know this: it's a dead fetus.

What difference does it make if the doctor ends its life at 8 weeks or 38 weeks? If its head or spine gets severed in its mother's body or if its head or spine gets severed on a table? It's the same fetus.

I have ultrasound pics of both of my kids at 8 weeks and heard both of their heartbeats. And they weren't any less alive then and human then than they day they were born.

No one wants to say anything about this disgusting Gosnell situation bc we all know the ONLY difference btwn his practice and every other abortion doctor's is bigger corpses.

You can say whatever you want about me but I don't have the blood of anyone's fetus on my hands.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
No, "we all" don't know this. Please don't speak for anybody but yourself, least of all the entire world.
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I don't wanna be rude but I'mma go ahead and be rude and say it's probably because you don't know anything about abortions or bodies....at all. Period. Reaaaaddd.
Originally Posted by murrrcat
I know this: it's a dead fetus.

What difference does it make if the doctor ends its life at 8 weeks or 38 weeks? If its head or spine gets severed in its mother's body or if its head or spine gets severed on a table? It's the same fetus.

I have ultrasound pics of both of my kids at 8 weeks and heard both of their heartbeats. And they weren't any less alive then and human then than they day they were born.

No one wants to say anything about this disgusting Gosnell situation bc we all know the ONLY difference btwn his practice and every other abortion doctor's is bigger corpses.

You can say whatever you want about me but I don't have the blood of anyone's fetus on my hands.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
No, "we all" don't know this. Please don't speak for anybody but yourself, least of all the entire world.
Originally Posted by mrspoppers

Oh sorry and a bigger mess to clean up...
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I think this case is an example of what could happen if abortion was made illegal.

Women are going to get abortions and I'd rather they be regulated, safe, and definitely not like this.

I feel like this case is a good argument for why safe and healthy abortions should be made available for every woman. Or else more gosnells are going to prey on poorer and uneducated women.
Originally Posted by annabananalise
This argument really makes no sense to me.Abortions ARE legal and there is still a market for this type of service. People who want them and people who will do them.

IMO all it shows is that people will do unconscionable things.

As a society, as a country, as a community and as individuals we often do not value human life and we do not protected or nurture it. To me, it is very sad. And that people would defend similar activity because it's done on a smaller fetus or because it's done on the younger fetus or because it's done inside a mother's womb or because it's done with this type of medical instrument vs that type is also very sad to me. That we are creating all kinds distinctions to justify this....


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I think this case is an example of what could happen if abortion was made illegal.

Women are going to get abortions and I'd rather they be regulated, safe, and definitely not like this.

I feel like this case is a good argument for why safe and healthy abortions should be made available for every woman. Or else more gosnells are going to prey on poorer and uneducated women.
Originally Posted by annabananalise
ITA, but what I would really like to see is improved access to birth control. Why isn't the pill OTC after 53 years, despite the fact that it is extremely effective and safe? And we all know what happened when Democrats tried to extend insurance coverage to include contraception.

Part of the problem is that few people remember what life was like for desperate pregnant women before Roe. In my American Government class, I have a slide with 2 images juxtaposed: a 24 week old fetus, & a coat hanger with a red slash through it. Only a handful of students under the age of 50 know what the second one means.

As for this pig, throw away the key.

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I think this case is an example of what could happen if abortion was made illegal.

Women are going to get abortions and I'd rather they be regulated, safe, and definitely not like this.

I feel like this case is a good argument for why safe and healthy abortions should be made available for every woman. Or else more gosnells are going to prey on poorer and uneducated women.
Originally Posted by annabananalise
This argument really makes no sense to me.Abortions ARE legal and there is still a market for this type of service. People who want them and people who will do them.

IMO all it shows is that people will do unconscionable things.

As a society, as a country, as a community and as individuals we often do not value human life and we do not protected or nurture it. To me, it is very sad. And that people would defend similar activity because it's done on a smaller fetus or because it's done on the younger fetus or because it's done inside a mother's womb or because it's done with this type of medical instrument vs that type is also very sad to me. That we are creating all kinds distinctions to justify this....


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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Surely you understood she meant making them financially available, not just legally. The women who sought out Gosnell couldn't afford going to a decent doctor. There wouldn't have been a market for him if those women had had an option.

People don't abort on a whim. Those women were desperate enough that they put their lives at risk. It's a problem that won't go away by simply banning abortion.

I live in a country where it isn't legal but we all know those with money make do and those who don't have any end up stuck with likes of people like Gosnell.
I think this case is an example of what could happen if abortion was made illegal.

Women are going to get abortions and I'd rather they be regulated, safe, and definitely not like this.

I feel like this case is a good argument for why safe and healthy abortions should be made available for every woman. Or else more gosnells are going to prey on poorer and uneducated women.
Originally Posted by annabananalise
This argument really makes no sense to me.Abortions ARE legal and there is still a market for this type of service. People who want them and people who will do them.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Almost 90% of US counties have no abortion provider. Abortion doctors have been harassed, threatened and even killed in a decades-long campaign of intimidation. Activists picket outside their homes and their children's schools. As a result, the number of doctors receiving medical training to perform abortions has dropped sharply out of fear for their personal safety.

There has also been a major escalation of anti-abortion laws in recent years, including transvaginal probes (!) and waiting periods. The primary objective is to humiliate women and to make abortion prohibitively expensive, thereby placing an undue burden on poor women.

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I just can't understand how a human being can hold a crying baby and snip it's spinal cord in order to kill it. This has to be a person with no conscience or empathy. How does someone become this way?
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I think this case is an example of what could happen if abortion was made illegal.

Women are going to get abortions and I'd rather they be regulated, safe, and definitely not like this.

I feel like this case is a good argument for why safe and healthy abortions should be made available for every woman. Or else more gosnells are going to prey on poorer and uneducated women.
Originally Posted by annabananalise
This argument really makes no sense to me.Abortions ARE legal and there is still a market for this type of service. People who want them and people who will do them.

IMO all it shows is that people will do unconscionable things.

As a society, as a country, as a community and as individuals we often do not value human life and we do not protected or nurture it. To me, it is very sad. And that people would defend similar activity because it's done on a smaller fetus or because it's done on the younger fetus or because it's done inside a mother's womb or because it's done with this type of medical instrument vs that type is also very sad to me. That we are creating all kinds distinctions to justify this....


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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Surely you understood she meant making them financially available, not just legally. The women who sought out Gosnell couldn't afford going to a decent doctor. There wouldn't have been a market for him if those women had had an option.

People don't abort on a whim. Those women were desperate enough that they put their lives at risk. It's a problem that won't go away by simply banning abortion.

I live in a country where it isn't legal but we all know those with money make do and those who don't have any end up stuck with likes of people like Gosnell.
Originally Posted by Dedachan
How do you know why the women went to him? Maybe he was cheaper. Maybe he was located close by. Maybe they had friends who went to him. Maybe he was the only one who would perform a later term abortion. Maybe he advertised. Maybe they were assured by other ppl that if your baby comes out crying, he will kill it right on the table while you watch. Maybe he had cable in the waiting room.

Yes, he performed these abortions mostly on women of a lower socioeconomic group. But do you really think there aren't White drs performing late term abortions and other nefarious acts in affluent White neighborhhoods? They're just not getting raided by the cops.
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This argument really makes no sense to me.Abortions ARE legal and there is still a market for this type of service. People who want them and people who will do them.

IMO all it shows is that people will do unconscionable things.

As a society, as a country, as a community and as individuals we often do not value human life and we do not protected or nurture it. To me, it is very sad. And that people would defend similar activity because it's done on a smaller fetus or because it's done on the younger fetus or because it's done inside a mother's womb or because it's done with this type of medical instrument vs that type is also very sad to me. That we are creating all kinds distinctions to justify this....


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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Surely you understood she meant making them financially available, not just legally. The women who sought out Gosnell couldn't afford going to a decent doctor. There wouldn't have been a market for him if those women had had an option.

People don't abort on a whim. Those women were desperate enough that they put their lives at risk. It's a problem that won't go away by simply banning abortion.

I live in a country where it isn't legal but we all know those with money make do and those who don't have any end up stuck with likes of people like Gosnell.
Originally Posted by Dedachan
How do you know why the women went to him? Maybe he was cheaper. Maybe he was located close by. Maybe they had friends who went to him. Maybe he was the only one who would perform a later term abortion. Maybe he advertised. Maybe they were assured by other ppl that if your baby comes out crying, he will kill it right on the table while you watch. Maybe he had cable in the waiting room.

Yes, he performed these abortions mostly on women of a lower socioeconomic group. But do you really think there aren't White drs performing late term abortions and other nefarious acts in affluent White neighborhhoods? They're just not getting raided by the cops.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
While it is understood you have a strong opinion on this subject, please refrain from the graphic depictions.
Guide 22, thats unfair. She hasn't said anything worse than anyone else, or the article said. Its hard to talk about this subject and not be graphic.
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Iroc, we have received complaints. The article isn't posted here. It is a truly horrible, ugly matter, but the discussion doesn't have to be. My request is for all.

Last edited by Guide22; 04-16-2013 at 11:02 AM.
What Gosnell did was graphic. It's impossible to talk about his crimes without being graphic.
Yes, he performed these abortions mostly on women of a lower socioeconomic group. But do you really think there aren't White drs performing late term abortions and other nefarious acts in affluent White neighborhhoods? They're just not getting raided by the cops.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
While it is understood you have a strong opinion on this subject, please refrain from the graphic depictions.
Originally Posted by Guide22
In SL's defense, it is simply not possible to discuss this specific topic without the shockingly gruesome details. The needless inhumanity of Kermit Gosnell's clinic is the heart of the matter.

But no, this does NOT happen to affluent white women, many of whom have access to a sympathetic OB-GYN who would perform an abortion in their safe, sanitary office. Several of the women who went to Gosnell were severely injured and at least one died. Rest assured, if that had happened to the Daughters of the Revolution, he would have been shut down in a New York minute.

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Last edited by yossarian; 04-16-2013 at 11:02 AM.
Iroc, we have received complaints. The article isn't posted here.
Originally Posted by Guide22
With all due respect - and I sincerely mean that - not trying to fan the flame or fight the system - but its an extremely graphic topic. Those who feel a need to complain should have the self restraint of adults and stay out of the thread. Its violent yes, but if you're going to have an opinion on any side of abortion you should know all the information.
What Gosnell did was graphic. It's impossible to talk about his crimes without being graphic.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
There you go talking sense.
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Surely you understood she meant making them financially available, not just legally. The women who sought out Gosnell couldn't afford going to a decent doctor. There wouldn't have been a market for him if those women had had an option.

People don't abort on a whim. Those women were desperate enough that they put their lives at risk. It's a problem that won't go away by simply banning abortion.

I live in a country where it isn't legal but we all know those with money make do and those who don't have any end up stuck with likes of people like Gosnell.
Originally Posted by Dedachan
How do you know why the women went to him? Maybe he was cheaper. Maybe he was located close by. Maybe they had friends who went to him. Maybe he was the only one who would perform a later term abortion. Maybe he advertised. Maybe they were assured by other ppl that if your baby comes out crying, he will kill it right on the table while you watch. Maybe he had cable in the waiting room.

Yes, he performed these abortions mostly on women of a lower socioeconomic group. But do you really think there aren't White drs performing late term abortions and other nefarious acts in affluent White neighborhhoods? They're just not getting raided by the cops.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
While it is understood you have a strong opinion on this subject, please refrain from the graphic depictions.
Originally Posted by Guide22
Graphic depictions??
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