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Old 04-22-2013, 07:18 AM   #161
 
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Yes, I mentioned upthread that his wife, Katherine Russell, had converted to Islam for him and they had a daughter Zahara together. However, she moved back in with her parents a year ago, so they were not together anymore.

The thing that strikes me is that he had a wife, child, a Mercedes and an apartment in an expensive area ... but no job. His younger brother also had an apartment and owned a Mercedes, yet was unemployed. Their father was back in Russia, where he worked as an auto mechanic. Who was paying their expenses (not to mention the cost of the large amount of firearms, ammo and explosives they had)?

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Where are you getting the info about the Mercedes and the expensive apartment? I had not seen that anywhere.
I think I originally read about the Mercedes on MSN but if you google Tamerlan + Mercedes, you'll see a bunch of articles and pics.
I've seen the one pic of Tamerlan with the Mercedes. I was curious where the prev poster had heard that the younger brother also had a Mercedes and about the apartment in an expensive area
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Where are you getting the info about the Mercedes and the expensive apartment? I had not seen that anywhere.
The younger brother (Dzokhar) had a white Mercedes wagon that had was in for repairs at the time of the bombing. He went in the next day to retrieve it, even though it had not been fixed and was still missing the bumper and taillight. (I'm curious how that damage was incurred.)

He lived in a dorm at the University of Massachusetts (not an apartment as I originally stated), where he was failing badly, receiving 7 F's and 2 D's over three semesters. This must have come as a huge disappointment, as he was widely described by his high school teachers and classmates as highly intelligent, and was expected to do very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us...anted=all&_r=0

The older brother (Tamarlan) owned a silver Mercedes sedan, as shown and described in an online photo gallery entitled "Will Box for Passport". He was also known as a flashy dresser. He had an apartment in Cambridge, a suburb of Boston where Harvard and MIT are located. (Boston is the 10th most expensive city in the US, so you need a good income to live in that area.)



The two also carjacked a black Mercedes SUV during their rampage, so they obviously had a jones for Benzes!

Their mother, Zubeidat, was arrested last June after she stole $2000 worth of dresses from a Lord & Taylor in Natick, MA. (Perhaps that was the reason she returned to Russia.)

One last tidbit that caught my eye:

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[Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.
Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.
Two brothers, two paths - Metro - The Boston Globe

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The owner of the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts in Allston, John Allan, told reporters that Tsarnaev described Mess to him as his "best friend."

So the Cambridge crew were surprised in the fall of 2011 that Tsarnaev didn't show up at his best friend's funeral. Now, they see it as a clue.

"Tam wasn't there at the memorial service, he wasn't at the funeral, he wasn't around at all," Ray said. "And he was really close with Brendan. That's why it's so weird when he said 'I don't have any American friends.'"
"He was somebody who was in contact with Brendan on a daily basis. Anybody like that you would think they would have been around," Ray said.
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"Those three guys all had their throats cut and they had marijuana dumped all over their bodies," Ray said. "It's really gruesome how they were killed. It's not something typical you'd see in Waltham. Not some home invasion gone wrong or something."

Police indicated the three men had "sharp force injuries of the neck," and $5,000 was left at the scene, and believe the murders were "targeted and not a random act of violence."
"Boston Bomber's" Former Friends Suspect Him In Triple Murder

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Seems like the older brother had some mental issues and was very troubled. Apparently he wasn't religious and possibly used this 'cult' or whatever as an outlet.

I can't even imagine how the wife is feeling.
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Where are you getting the info about the Mercedes and the expensive apartment? I had not seen that anywhere.
The younger brother (Dzokhar) had a white Mercedes wagon that had was in for repairs at the time of the bombing. He went in the next day to retrieve it, even though it had not been fixed and was still missing the bumper and taillight. (I'm curious how that damage was incurred.)

He lived in a dorm at the University of Massachusetts (not an apartment as I originally stated), where he was failing badly, receiving 7 F's and 2 D's over three semesters. This must have come as a huge disappointment, as he was widely described by his high school teachers and classmates as highly intelligent, and was expected to do very well.

The older brother (Tamarlan) owned a silver Mercedes sedan, as shown and described in an online photo gallery entitled "Will Box for Passport". He was also known as a flashy dresser. He had an apartment in Cambridge, a suburb of Boston where Harvard and MIT are located. (Boston is the 10th most expensive city in the US, so you need a good income to live in that area.)
I read that the white mercedes was Dzokhar's and also that it was his girlfriend's, so that is in dispute.

As far as Boston being expensive, New York is also one of the most expensive cities in the U.S., it still includes Brownsville, Hunts Point and other really poor neighborhoods. Just because Cambridge has fancy parts does not mean it is all fancy. I lived in Somerville, near the part of Cambridge where the Tsarnaevs lived, for a while. The part of Cambridge they lived in is not at all expensive, it is very middle-middle to lower-middle class, lots of immgrants and students and such.
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I read that the white mercedes was Dzokhar's and also that it was his girlfriend's, so that is in dispute.
I haven't seen it described as his girlfriend's in any articles or interviews. The mechanic was pretty emphatic that it was Dzokhar's. Where'd you see that?

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As far as Boston being expensive, New York is also one of the most expensive cities in the U.S., it still includes Brownsville, Hunts Point and other really poor neighborhoods. Just because Cambridge has fancy parts does not mean it is all fancy. I lived in Somerville, near the part of Cambridge where the Tsarnaevs lived, for a while. The part of Cambridge they lived in is not at all expensive, it is very middle-middle to lower-middle class, lots of immgrants and students and such.
Yes, but ever since Cambridge ended rent control 19 years ago, even the less-affluent areas have become much more costly. And he had no apparent means to pay the rent (or his Mercedes payment, or his food bills etc).

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Also, do you think the carjacked guy could have been....involved? That is weird that they killed a random campus cop, but let a carjacked random guy go...
The driver of the carjacked Mercedes (who does not want to be identified) said that they let him go because he "wasn't American".

Details Emerge of Alleged Carjacking by Bomber Suspects - WSJ.com

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This is interesting.

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IMHO, the focus on nationality was a way for the media to avoid the question of religion. Most people immediately assumed they were Muslim, and by focusing on Chechnya, reporters were able to avoid that minefield (at least temporarily). As it turns out, religion WAS a crucial factor in the bombing, as well as the US wars in Muslim countries.

Similarly, the CBC did not disclose the national origins of the two men accused of planning to blow up a train. (Other outlets did, however, reveal that they were from Tunisia and the United Arab Emirates.)

Religious fundamentalism kills, whatever its stripe:

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PHILADELPHIA — A Philadelphia couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another of their children has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing.

Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner said at a hearing they violated the most important condition of their probation: to seek medical care for their remaining children.

The Schaibles have yet to be charged in the death of the 8-month-old boy last week, after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for days. Authorities are awaiting autopsy results.

Catherine Schaible's lawyer says the couple are good parents, and that they are deeply distraught over the loss of another child.
ETA: I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that people are learning about Chechnya (although I wish it had occurred under different circumstances). Few nations have suffered more than the Chechens, and their history is a case study in how people can become radicalized by decades of oppression. There's more than a few lessons for US foreign policy.

And everyone should read Tolstoy and Pushkin, for their own sake.
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As someone who captions the media, I can tell you I HATED THE MEDIA. 24/7 of rehashed, adlibbed coverage where we learned very little new.
+1. I was really surprised at how much more informative & accurate British media outlets were than ours. This is especially surprising since the event occurred in a city with some of the best universities in the world, with no shortage of scholars, and the major networks are in a city filled with experts (there's one on every corner!

What really embarrassed me was the fact that so many Americans on Twitter and Facebook confused Chechnya for the Czech Republic that the Czech embassy had to release a statement explaining the difference.

The sheer ignorance of so many people is truly staggering.
But we shouldn't have to know about other countries. This is Amurrrica: the only important country. Why are you interested in other countries? (eyes you suspiciously)
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LOL, the BBC ought to know its geography, since the good ol' British empire forcibly took over more than half the globe not too long ago.

Agreed about fundamentalism. In this case though, I don't think we know enough yet to know what role religion and/or nationality played, if any, and speculation causes more harm if anything, as it can lead to more people feeling isolated and targeted for who they are. The media have been appalling through this.
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As someone who captions the media, I can tell you I HATED THE MEDIA. 24/7 of rehashed, adlibbed coverage where we learned very little new.
+1. I was really surprised at how much more informative & accurate British media outlets were than ours. This is especially surprising since the event occurred in a city with some of the best universities in the world, with no shortage of scholars, and the major networks are in a city filled with experts (there's one on every corner!

What really embarrassed me was the fact that so many Americans on Twitter and Facebook confused Chechnya for the Czech Republic that the Czech embassy had to release a statement explaining the difference.

The sheer ignorance of so many people is truly staggering.
But we shouldn't have to know about other countries. This is Amurrrica: the only important country. Why are you interested in other countries? (eyes you suspiciously)
shhh ... I'm a member of a sleeper cell (waits for knock at door from Homeland Security)

I think we all owe Miss South Carolina an apology - everyone made fun of her when she said Americans need more maps, but it seems she was right! Maybe she should be the next US ambassador to the United Nations.

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Obama and a map! Coinicedence? I think not!
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This is just screaming for a caption contest!

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"OK, Chechnya, Chechnya ... where the heck is this place??"
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More on the Tsarnaev finances:

Tsarnaev brothers appeared to have scant finances - Metro - The Boston Globe

And the Mercedes Station Wagon in the repair shop was a 1967 beat up one, according to this:
Owner: Bombing suspect demanded his car back from shop on Tuesday - Los Angeles Times

Seems like the younger brother made his money selling weed and possibly had some kind of arrangement bringing people's cars to a body shop, and that the older brother was mostly supported by his wife
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More on the Tsarnaev finances:

Tsarnaev brothers appeared to have scant finances - Metro - The Boston Globe

And the Mercedes Station Wagon in the repair shop was a 1967 beat up one, according to this:
Owner: Bombing suspect demanded his car back from shop on Tuesday - Los Angeles Times

Seems like the younger brother made his money selling weed and possibly had some kind of arrangement bringing people's cars to a body shop, and that the older brother was mostly supported by his wife
That makes more sense, since Dzokhar's friends describe him as a major stoner. (One of his primary suppliers had been Brendan Mess, who was Tamarlan's close friend until his unsolved murder in 2011.)

Tamarlan's lifestyle clearly exceeded his budget, but that's true for 90% of Americans! The question still remains how they paid for all that firepower, though.
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More on the Tsarnaev finances:

Tsarnaev brothers appeared to have scant finances - Metro - The Boston Globe

And the Mercedes Station Wagon in the repair shop was a 1967 beat up one, according to this:
Owner: Bombing suspect demanded his car back from shop on Tuesday - Los Angeles Times

Seems like the younger brother made his money selling weed and possibly had some kind of arrangement bringing people's cars to a body shop, and that the older brother was mostly supported by his wife
That makes more sense, since Dzokhar's friends describe him as a major stoner. (One of his primary suppliers had been Brendan Mess, who was Tamarlan's close friend until his unsolved murder in 2011.)

Tamarlan's lifestyle clearly exceeded his budget, but that's true for 90% of Americans! The question still remains how they paid for all that firepower, though.
The first article said each bomb was around 100 or under.
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The first article said each bomb was around 100 or under.
I was referring to the guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition (for which they had no permit, BTW), not the explosives. Sorry I wasn't clear.

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Just because Cambridge has fancy parts does not mean it is all fancy. I lived in Somerville, near the part of Cambridge where the Tsarnaevs lived, for a while. The part of Cambridge they lived in is not at all expensive, it is very middle-middle to lower-middle class, lots of immgrants and students and such.
It's not middle class any more.Even over by East Cambridge (Third St. etc) where it was inexpensive 13 years ago when I moved here rents are now in the 1900s. My daughter pays $1350 for a studio in Somerville.
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Just because Cambridge has fancy parts does not mean it is all fancy. I lived in Somerville, near the part of Cambridge where the Tsarnaevs lived, for a while. The part of Cambridge they lived in is not at all expensive, it is very middle-middle to lower-middle class, lots of immgrants and students and such.
It's not middle class any more.Even over by East Cambridge (Third St. etc) where it was inexpensive 13 years ago when I moved here rents are now in the 1900s. My daughter pays $1350 for a studio in Somerville.
That specific neighborhood where the family apartment is is still pretty low-income. Also, the parents had been collecting welfare benefits while here, so it's possible they had section 8 housing benefits, too.
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