Spinoff--Are you pretty enough?

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^ And on the other side of that coin,

Is being too pretty an immediate condemnation?
Does the pretty have to be just right?
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I don't really know who or what defines pretty enough, which is why I avoided answering the question but I have enjoyed reading the thread.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I think when people described themselves as "pretty enough", they just meant that they know they are not drop-dead gorgeous, but they are reasonably attractive and they find that they have looks that allow them to function in society and be accepted as a reasonably attractive person.

I don't think "pretty" can ever be quantified because it is sooooo subjective and while there is a particular overriding beauty standard for society, the standard varies across cultures, ethnic groups, socioeconomic groups, regions etc. Also as spidey pointed out, beauty can be altered with makeup, surgery etc. It isn't as measurable as some other qualities. For example, for many careers, there are specific, defined qualifications people can achieve. "Pretty" depends on perception and values and trends and not really anything measurable. "Pretty" also isn't a prerequisite for any kind of accomplishment. So there's no such thing as "pretty enough."
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I don't see why a woman born with beauty shouldnt use it. If someone is born with intelligence, charm, strength or athletic ability they use it, so why not beauty.

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Originally Posted by Yoshimi
I haven't read the whole thread, but I totally agree with this!

If you have it (it can be anything, brains, charm, personality, beauty) use it to your advantage.

One of my friends family came over from Croatia when she was 13 with nothing. They were in a mall and she was approached by a modeling agent. They signed her up, and her modeling was what helped them settle here. Her dad now owns a major construction company and the family did very well.

She is in her 30s and still models and acts, went to university for finance and is a top real estate agent in Forest Hill for those who know the Toronto area.

Her looks are what gave her family a new start. She knows they won't carry her for life, but I see no issue with using them to help her get what she needs/wants in life.
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I don't see why a woman born with beauty shouldnt use it. If someone is born with intelligence, charm, strength or athletic ability they use it, so why not beauty.

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Originally Posted by Yoshimi
I haven't read the whole thread, but I totally agree with this!

If you have it (it can be anything, brains, charm, personality, beauty) use it to your advantage.

One of my friends family came over from Croatia when she was 13 with nothing. They were in a mall and she was approached by a modeling agent. They signed her up, and her modeling was what helped them settle here. Her dad now owns a major construction company and the family did very well.

She is in her 30s and still models and acts, went to university for finance and is a top real estate agent in Forest Hill for those who know the Toronto area.

Her looks are what gave her family a new start. She knows they won't carry her for life, but I see no issue with using them to help her get what she needs/wants in life.
Originally Posted by CurlyCanadian
I don't disagree with this, but I don't think this type of situation is the problem. The vast majority of women don't make money and make successes of their lives out of modelling. Most womens' looks will come into play in occupations and pastimes that are not primarily looks-related, and almost all women apparently feel the need to be pretty. Every woman doesn't feel she has to be a great singer or public speaker or basketball player, but most female writers, teachers, drivers, accountants etc. feel they have to be pretty and are judged on their looks.

There's nothing wrong in using anything you are blessed with to your advantage, but the difference with beauty is it isn't just an advantage - it's an expectation. For example, if someone has a fantastic gift at public speaking, they may end up a successful politician, or lecturer, or lawyer or whatever and people will acknowledge their skill and it will get them ahead in life. But all the other people who lack that skill will just pick another path in life that doesn't require it - maybe they're a great writer and will be a journalist. They won't necessarily feel that they can't be loved or can't like themselves because they're just an ok speaker. No one is going to gossip about them or insult them because "She sucks at speaking" or "She thinks she's an all that speaker." But all women are expected to have and care about looks even if they should technically have nothing to do with their goals in life.

IF looks were just a nice thing to have and use for some but everyone wasn't judged by them, there wouldn't be a problem.
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That's an interesting way to look at it Amneris. It certainly has me mulling over the how and why we feel that way (but for the record I don't think that only applies to women, its just applied to men in different ways, strength, athletic appearence, even penis size)

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